Extensions & adjustments to the flagging system, and an alteration to the rules

[StrickenBiged]

There's no real need for the first one. Flag the two trophies you're interested in and 3 others, then explain in the description that you're only interested in the two. 

 

I don't have a problem with SharePlay or shared accounts though. Mostly because I think it's none of my business what other people do with their accounts. For shared accounts, if they want to take the security risk of sharing their details, or risk Sony coming down on them for any breach of the EULA, then that's their call.

 

As for SharePlay, removing the option from gaming sessions will just mean people start "co-operative" sessions instead, where they ask in the narrative "please SharePlay this for me". Coming down on people who already do or have used SharePlay is probably completely unenforceable. How would you prove any of it without access to the PSN's live and historic servers? (That's assuming Sony even logs that data.)

[diskdocx]

Don't agree on the Shareplay issue (I've never used it, but I have helped others with it). Furthermore, banning people for something that Sony has allowed, is, well, absurd.

 

If you don't agree, that's your prerogative, but then why not extend your ban to encompass other things that people disagree with, like stacking games.

 

The group account thing is more of an issue, but I think you've highlighted the wrong example. Getting two WipeOut trophies that close together would already be cover by the 'trophies earned too close together' flag.

 

A better example would be earning trophies in multiple games on the same system at the same time. In other words, playing 2 games simultaneously on the same console.

 

A more important and legit adjustment would be to enable reporting for Vita games, since it has been confirmed that the console can be hacked.

[madbuk]

2 minutes ago, diskdocx said:

Don't agree on the Shareplay issue (I've never used it, but I have helped others with it). Furthermore, banning people for something that Sony has allowed, is, well, absurd.

 

If you don't agree, that's your prerogative, but then why not extend your ban to encompass other things that people disagree with, like stacking games.

 

The group account thing is more of an issue, but I think you've highlighted the wrong example. Getting two WipeOut trophies that close together would already be cover by the 'trophies earned too close together' flag.

 

A better example would be earning trophies in multiple games on the same system at the same time. In other words, playing 2 games simultaneously on the same console.

 

A more important and legit adjustment would be to enable reporting for Vita games, since it has been confirmed that the console can be hacked.

Sony allow gamesharing within the same household, yet there's a blanket ban on even discussing it on this site, so banning something Sony allow wouldn't exactly be new territory for PSNP

 

It wouldn't, because WipEout HD and WipEout 2048 are two completely different games, and you wouldn't be able to report them because of that.

[Sly Ripper]

3 minutes ago, madbuk said:

Sony allow gamesharing within the same household, yet there's a blanket ban on even discussing it on this site, so banning something Sony allow wouldn't exactly be new territory for PSNP

 

It wouldn't, because WipEout HD and WipEout 2048 are two completely different games, and you wouldn't be able to report them because of that.

 

The reason we ban game sharing here is due to people stealing accounts, it's for security/safety.

 

The 5 trophy limit can be reduced. Trophies sometimes don't unlock when they should, such as difficulty trophies, they can be triggered on the next completion. The limit is to avoid too many false reports.

[diskdocx]

5 minutes ago, Sly Ripper said:

 

The reason we ban game sharing here is due to people stealing accounts, it's for security/safety.

 

The 5 trophy limit can be reduced. Trophies sometimes don't unlock when they should, such as difficulty trophies, they can be triggered on the next completion. The limit is to avoid too many false reports.

 

Can you add the option to report Vita games please?

[starcrunch061]

1 hour ago, SnowxSakura said:

Well yes and no, some games have optional tutorials with trophies, red alert 3 is a good example, you can beat it on hard before ever touching the tutorial.

 

Amen to that. I wore it as a point of pride that my last trophy in DW7 was the tutorial trophy.

[turpinator1986]

I agree with OP on pretty much all of this, and I do have a further suggestion. I'm relatively new to this site so apologies if this is already a thing but is there any kind of warning system for people who flag a trophy and it turns out to not be a problem? Wether they flagged it out of spite because they have a problem with another gamer or simply because they didn't do their research this seems like it could be a good idea. For example the other day I saw somebody get flagged with the reason that the online servers were closed. Yet they earned the trophies before the servers closed and a quick google search by a couple of people who posted on the thread proved that. Does nothing happen to the person who wasted people's time by carelessly flagging those trophies in the first place?

[B1rvine]

3 minutes ago, turpinator1986 said:

I agree with OP on pretty much all of this, and I do have a further suggestion. I'm relatively new to this site so apologies if this is already a thing but is there any kind of warning system for people who flag a trophy and it turns out to not be a problem? Wether they flagged it out of spite because they have a problem with another gamer or simply because they didn't do their research this seems like it could be a good idea. For example the other day I saw somebody get flagged with the reason that the online servers were closed. Yet they earned the trophies before the servers closed and a quick google search by a couple of people who posted on the thread proved that. Does nothing happen to the person who wasted people's time by carelessly flagging those trophies in the first place?

 

I don't know the answer. But probably not.  The ability to report is a premium feature, one that you have to pay for.  So removing a paid ability wouldn't be cool.  Maybe for extreme cases.

[turpinator1986]

4 minutes ago, B1rvine said:

 

I don't know the answer. But probably not.  The ability to report is a premium feature, one that you have to pay for.  So removing a paid ability wouldn't be cool.  Maybe for extreme cases.

Yeah I get that. It's a tough subject. But with a lot of paid services, if you abuse it you can lose the privilege. Obviously most of us don't know who reports what but it could maybe deter some serial flaggers who don't do their research or are just petty. 

[thegirlruka]

1 hour ago, B1rvine said:

 

I don't know the answer. But probably not.  The ability to report is a premium feature, one that you have to pay for.  So removing a paid ability wouldn't be cool.  Maybe for extreme cases.

It's restricted to premium members to lower the number of false flags, but it's not a premium feature. I'd search for when sly said this, but I'm busy at the moment. I might edit the post later to include it.

 

EDIT: Found it.

 

 

It looks like it was limited to them because there was no way to dispute a flag but now there's a way. Will this restriction be removed now @Sly Ripper?

Edited March 27, 2017 by kuuhaku
found it

[demonoid321]

4 hours ago, madbuk said:

Sony doesn't allow group accounts, the terms of service state never to give out your log-in details. And how would you manage to run a group account without doing that?

Its not against the rules. Sony states that its against the rules to share your account through PSN but theirs nothing saying you can't share it through other ways.

And share playing games is encouraged by Sony themselves so why remove a feature like that on the site too help people with trophies if Sony encourages its users too use it?

Edited March 27, 2017 by demonoid321

[damon8r351]

People have been passing the controller off to their older brother to have him help you get through that fuckin' water level since Captain Crunch was only an Ensign. Now Sony lets you do that online with your older brother who happens to play games in his offtime after working all day as a stevedore at the Harbor of Amsterdam. And is probably more like your 50th cousin. Sony lets you do it, who gives a fuck.

 

Also, someone, quick, report me. Back in January 2013, I was on a work related trip far from home and playing Gravity Rush and Assassins Creed Liberation on the Vita. I was chatting online with my wife and she offered to knock out the online trophies for Assassins Creed III for me while I was gone. Because she's one of those masochistic individuals that likes playing online and I have little patience with people, and she frequently pitches in on multiplayer trophies for me, or on complicated QTE events because she's an absolute maestro on those. So, quick, report me, because my ass wasn't the one in front of the console, even though someone  in the house did the actual work. While you're at it, report my wife, because 400 or so of her trophies were actually earned by me.

[DaivRules]

We should just take the next logical step: All trophies not earned while on a broadcast video stream showing the player in the seat playing the game should be flagged. Then we petition Sony for bio-metric screening built into the Dual Shock 5 that must constantly read a unique identifying feature of the player and only allow trophy earning while it's able to verify the player in real-time. That will eliminate controller sharing in the same household, which should also be noted, is cheating.

To button the issue up nicely, once the Dual Shock 5 gets released, we need a new kind of trophies that can only be earned using that controller while live streaming the entire gaming session using the Camera. Then someone can create a new site dedicated to only these Uber Trophies and true trophy purists can all flock there.