Is Wolfenstein 2 a "woke" game?

[AJ_Radio]

3 hours ago, KANERKB said:

I can understand where you come from and I have the same kind of view point. but however. The reason why people who are like myself hate this game as it pushes the sjw crap down your neck plus the gameplay is not fun. you can't play this game like other wolfenstein games. you must run and hide behind cover and stealth around and if your spotted your gun down and can die very fast even with 200 armour and overcharged hp of 200.

 

While I might come off as a hater of wolfenstein 2 to hell and back it is because they will make more games like this. Think of your fav game series. and then have it throw random crap you don't care about in the next entry and or has nothing to do with the game other then pushing the devs outlooks onto you. The gameplay does not have any kind of feeling to that series at all on top. that is how I feel with this game. I don't care for sjw crap. Hell have a ball is what I say as I could careless about it. However once it is in games, I will put my foot down as it is like poison. It will try to push random bs then tell a story that aint about pushing crap on to you. It will make the experience be too close to home/ to out of the game. It sucks you out of the game to remember the bs world we are in and so on.

 

We play games for both fun and to escape our day to day lives not be reminded of it every bit of the way.

 

While I might come off like am kind of going onto rant mode here just giving my outlook as I agree with your outlook and also don't at the same time. As I come from a place where games are to be enjoyed and not push crap like that down on us.

 

You make a very good valid response and I have to agree 100 percent.

 

Your observation is a good reason why I get sick and tired of AAA games sometimes because they have to shove in the political agenda and just trying to be realistic.

 

I grew up when video games were basically seen as toys, or something to entertain yourself with while the storytelling was exclusively on movies and television. Now you have video games that try to tell a story that is much like a HBO melodrama. That's not why I played video games in the first place. If I wanted to see a drama unfold I would watch the countless shows on Amazon Prime or Netflix. Not play a video game and be handed it to me forcefully.

 

God of War 2018 tried to push the melodrama and I feel it is at the point where the story and the presentation/graphics are more important than the actual gameplay. I tend to cling to the older games because they weren't trying to sell you a story, they were trying to sell you great gameplay that was both challenging and satisfying. The two God of War games on the PlayStation 2 did this wonderfully.

 

We went from Mario and Sonic platformers when I was a kid to multi million dollar AAA games with 4K graphics and high quality drama. Generally I play a game because of the gameplay. The video game industry is now targeting an audience who didn't care about video games in the past, and they're probably not familiar with the arcade aspect of gaming that was more prominent before the PS4 generation came around.

 

Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus, while I still somewhat enjoy it, is definitely my least favorite in the franchise. You basically run around in a power suit that limits your health to 50, so you're essentially forced to stealth through a good portion of the game. Wasn't the premise to just kick ass and shoot Nazis? Why all the political angles? Why is there this push to hate on 'whites' and carry on a overly SJW mindset?

 

This game is sort of a reflection of what we're seeing nowadays in the political news.

Edited July 25, 2019 by Spaz

[Lonemankane]

14 hours ago, Spaz said:

 

You make a very good valid response and I have to agree 100 percent.

 

Your observation is a good reason why I get sick and tired of AAA games sometimes because they have to shove in the political agenda and just trying to be realistic.

 

I grew up when video games were basically seen as toys, or something to entertain yourself with while the storytelling was exclusively on movies and television. Now you have video games that try to tell a story that is much like a HBO melodrama. That's not why I played video games in the first place. If I wanted to see a drama unfold I would watch the countless shows on Amazon Prime or Netflix. Not play a video game and be handed it to me forcefully.

 

God of War 2018 tried to push the melodrama and I feel it is at the point where the story and the presentation/graphics are more important than the actual gameplay. I tend to cling to the older games because they weren't trying to sell you a story, they were trying to sell you great gameplay that was both challenging and satisfying. The two God of War games on the PlayStation 2 did this wonderfully.

 

We went from Mario and Sonic platformers when I was a kid to multi million dollar AAA games with 4K graphics and high quality drama. Generally I play a game because of the gameplay. The video game industry is now targeting an audience who didn't care about video games in the past, and they're probably not familiar with the arcade aspect of gaming that was more prominent before the PS4 generation came around.

 

Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus, while I still somewhat enjoy it, is definitely my least favorite in the franchise. You basically run around in a power suit that limits your health to 50, so you're essentially forced to stealth through a good portion of the game. Wasn't the premise to just kick ass and shoot Nazis? Why all the political angles? Why is there this push to hate on 'whites' and carry on a overly SJW mindset?

 

This game is sort of a reflection of what we're seeing nowadays in the political news.

As was I. I grew up enjoying games that have crap looks and really fun gameplay. I mean look at a game such as psi ops. the games look is well crap. maybe good for the time but I loved it. the game played very good and was a blast to play. Dev seem to care too much for the looks then gameplay or if they do care they will try to push some kind of outlook on you. Also don't forget the devs behind the 2018 god of war said kratos was bio just so people can be happy and or just to get more points for it and yeah.

 

I don't care for what ever anyone is into just keep it far, far away from games. We want good gameplay and story. Always gameplay first before story as I care only for gameplay in a video game not some kind of walking sim like everybodys gone to the rapture or what remains of edith finch. If I wanted a story I would watch a tv show or read a book not play a game. But that is my outlook. I know am going off topic now but I will end it with this.

 

wolfenstein 2 is a pile of crap to both the name of this long running series and a bad game due to the problems we both already spoke about and yeah.

[tjoe1bkhjtqxm]

Everytime I enter in Off Topic section I always surprise myself seeing even here topics talking about videogames and trophies ? 

[Stardroid]

There are definitely SJW elements in there. I didn't really give a fuck though

[PSXtreme_]

On 7/23/2019 at 2:55 PM, Dreakon13 said:

What the hell does "woke" mean?

Woke ~ Brainwashed by the Liberal Propaganda Machine...usually accomplished by rewriting history and teaching it to the poorly educated as doctrine and dogma and then reinforcing it with emotionally charged rumor and innuendo while violently attacking and labeling anyone who disagrees with their stance as a bigot, racist or denier. 

[Z1MZUM]

Reality 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49111787

[AJ_Radio]

On 7/26/2019 at 6:14 AM, PSXtreme_ said:

Woke ~ Brainwashed by the Liberal Propaganda Machine...usually accomplished by rewriting history and teaching it to the poorly educated as doctrine and dogma and then reinforcing it with emotionally charged rumor and innuendo while violently attacking and labeling anyone who disagrees with their stance as a bigot, racist or denier. 

 

Conservatives are just as guilty, you can't leave them out.

 

The extremists on both the Liberal and Conservative sides took over. Now you have assholes like Alex Jones and Jessica Price pushing their bullshit while the old people continue to be stubborn and prevent the young guys from trying to make a change for the better.

 

Unfortunately a lot of young guys also happen to be part of the Liberal Propaganda Machine. They aren't just trying to rewrite history, they're trying to repeat history.

 

The German Nazis and Russian Soviets didn't like people who disagreed with them in the past, and look what happened.

[PSXtreme_]

9 hours ago, Spaz said:

 

Conservatives are just as guilty, you can't leave them out.

 

The extremists on both the Liberal and Conservative sides took over. Now you have assholes like Alex Jones and Jessica Price pushing their bullshit while the old people continue to be stubborn and prevent the young guys from trying to make a change for the better.

 

Unfortunately a lot of young guys also happen to be part of the Liberal Propaganda Machine. They aren't just trying to rewrite history, they're trying to repeat history.

 

The German Nazis and Russian Soviets didn't like people who disagreed with them in the past, and look what happened.

See the Liberal Propaganda Machine has worked on you too...the Nazi's and the Communists are both far-left wing groups. 

 

From https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

 

Quote

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers’ Party, German Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism. Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, the party came to power in Germany in 1933 and governed by totalitarian methods until 1945.

 

National Socialists aren't "right wing". 

[BLKChaosDragon]

13 hours ago, Z1MZUM said:

Reality 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49111787

 

lol, that is kinda humorous and somewhat morbid tbh, but it is up to Poland how they want to handle that I guess.

 

2 hours ago, PSXtreme_ said:

See the Liberal Propaganda Machine has worked on you too...the Nazi's and the Communists are both far-left wing groups. 

 

From https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

 

 

National Socialists aren't "right wing". 

 

Hmm

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/encyclopedia-britannica/

Factual Reporting: HIGH Okay, I can trust this website

 

Question for you are you engaging in history denialism right now? The Nazi party were right wing they only used socialism to achieve their means and do away with it

" Although socialism was traditionally an internationalist creed, the radical wing of Nazism knew that a mass base existed for policies that were simultaneously anticapitalist and nationalist. However, after Hitler secured power, this radical strain was eliminated" Same source btw.

 

They also killed the left leaning individuals in the party the stasserites, In the night of the long knifes i think it was.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Gregor-Strasser

 

Here's another source

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

" Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the party’s conspicuous use of the term “socialist” — which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum — has long been a source of confusion, not to mention heated debate among partisans seeking to distance themselves from the genocidal taint of Nazi Germany."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/snopes/

Factual Reporting: HIGH

 

A modern day example of this would be The Swedish democrats using the word "democrat" to confuse and then propagate your right wing ideology

 

 

 

 

[PSXtreme_]

19 minutes ago, BLKChaosDragon said:

 

lol, that is kinda humorous and somewhat morbid tbh, but it is up to Poland how they want to handle that I guess.

 

 

Hmm

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/encyclopedia-britannica/

Factual Reporting: HIGH Okay, I can trust this website

 

Question for you are you engaging in history denialism right now? The Nazi party were right wing they only used socialism to achieve their means and do away with it

" Although socialism was traditionally an internationalist creed, the radical wing of Nazism knew that a mass base existed for policies that were simultaneously anticapitalist and nationalist. However, after Hitler secured power, this radical strain was eliminated" Same source btw.

 

They also killed the left leaning individuals in the party the stasserites, In the night of the long knifes i think it was.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Gregor-Strasser

 

Here's another source

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

" Given that Nazism is traditionally held to be an extreme right-wing ideology, the party’s conspicuous use of the term “socialist” — which refers to a political system normally plotted on the far-left end of the ideological spectrum — has long been a source of confusion, not to mention heated debate among partisans seeking to distance themselves from the genocidal taint of Nazi Germany."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/snopes/

Factual Reporting: HIGH

 

A modern day example of this would be The Swedish democrats using the word "democrat" to confuse and then propagate your right wing ideology

 

 

 

 

Thanks for continuing to prove my point...and BTW, using left wing propaganda sites like Snopes doesn't help either. Why not add some Media Matters stuff too? 

 

Rewording and redefining things to meet your agenda doesn't actually change the fact. Back before the revisionists took over the education systems, when you included things like The People's or Worker's Party, Liberation or Socialists into your title, it was a dead give-away on your ulterior motives. The people who ran those groups wanted you to know where they were coming from and that they intended to overthrow the statis quo for a new utopia of the people. Only the Left, once the term Socialist or Communist gathered a negative connotation in the post WWII era, evolved their titling to incorporate deceptive terms like Democratic, Progressive or Republic to camouflage their intentions.

 

The difference between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany wasn't left and right, it was different degrees of the left fighting itself for dominion. The USSR was a Universal Socialist entity while Germany was a National Socialistic one...remember, at one time they had a non-aggression pact between their two nations and were actually taking over parts of the European countries in a limited partnership together during the 1939-1940 time frame.

 

Stalin arranged the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany on August 23, along with the German-Soviet Commercial Agreement to open economic relations. A secret appendix to the pact gave Eastern Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Bessarabia and Finland to the USSR, and Western Poland and Lithuania to Nazi Germany. This reflected the Soviet desire of territorial gains.

Following the pact with Hitler, Stalin in 1939-40 annexed half of Poland, the three Baltic States, and Northern Bukovina and Bessarabia in Romania. They were no longer buffers separating the USSR from German areas, argues Louis Fischer. Rather they facilitated Hitler's rapid advance to the gates of Moscow.^[45]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Soviet_Union_(1927–1953) 

 

Stalin also had his purges. "The "Great Purge" swept the Soviet Union in 1937. It was widely known as the "Yezhovschina", the "Reign of Yezhov". The rate of arrests was staggering. In the armed forces alone, 34,000 officers were purged including many at the higher ranks.^[33] The entire Politburo and most of the Central Committee were purged, along with foreign communists who were living in the Soviet Union, and numerous intellectuals, bureaucrats, and factory managers. The total of people imprisoned or executed during the Yezhovschina numbered about two million.^[34] By 1938, the mass purges were starting to disrupt the country's infrastructure, and Stalin began winding them down. Yezhov was gradually relieved of power. Yezhov was relieved of all powers in 1939, then tried and executed in 1940. His successor as head of the NKVD (from 1938 to 1945) was Lavrentiy Beria, a Georgian friend of Stalin's. Arrests and executions continued into 1952, although nothing on the scale of the Yezhovschina ever happened again.(same source as listed above)" but these haven't been revised to pretend that he was eliminating a left wing fringe group. He, like Hitler, was just eliminating the competition and consolidating his power. 

 

[AJ_Radio]

13 hours ago, PSXtreme_ said:

See the Liberal Propaganda Machine has worked on you too...the Nazi's and the Communists are both far-left wing groups. 

 

From https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

 

I stay away from that propaganda machine as much as I can. I want absolutely no part of it and I don't support the left wing or right wing. Especially with how fucked up politics are now. 

 

The Nazis as everybody knows, didn't like those who disagreed with them. The Soviet Union killed countless innocents and many of their own generals. Their rule of Communism was flawed and it was a big reason why they were so backwards for so long.

 

Sadly America is falling in that direction. Some of the idiots we got talking in their speeches is enough to make my blood boil. If anything, it's all about pushing an agenda and making the big bucks. The big media stations went from reporting the news in a neutral state to forcing their agendas down others throats. That's why MSNBC, Fox News and CNN can get away with the bullshit they have cast for years, and too many people just eat it up.

[SilkyJay86]

Get woke, you go broke.  It's more slang for 'poc' (aka black, but not strictly to) and a term for sjw virtual signaling liberals for the most part.

 

There's a reason Neo took the red pill...Instead of continuing his desk job claiming to be woke on twitter.  Personally, I find movies, commercials, games, products pandering to big tech, media, the Left, to score 'woke' points abhorrent.  i.e.   Gillette, Nike and Kap, or even recently, Rapinoe.  (I can't list them all) If you want to be 'woke' you're the type that thinks Trevor Noah's giving it to you straight, Samantha bee is funny, and Colbert is 'just" doing a late show.  Asleep is more like it.   Just saw a guys response which is better than my input.   Commie propaganda.

Edited August 2, 2019 by SilkyJay86

[thepeaguy83]

Sometimes I wish for the old days when it was all about the gameplay and less of the expository nonsense you see in games today.

[AJ_Radio]

On 8/6/2019 at 3:48 PM, thepeaguy said:

Sometimes I wish for the old days when it was all about the gameplay and less of the expository nonsense you see in games today.

 

Have to agree 100 percent with you there mate.