Feral Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 16/08/2019 at 3:46 PM, RadiantFlamberge said: The UK's gun laws are truly unfair to the innocent. While some sort of gun control is needed, their laws go WAY too far. When a government prevents innocent people from owning a gun for personal protection reasons, they're protecting the criminals. Semi-auto assault rifles (like the AR-15) & hi-cap mags should be outlawed. Something like that isn't necessary to defend oneself. A handgun, a non-auto rifle, or a shotgun is enough for self-defense. As for the Dayton gunman's friend who perjured to help him get that gun... throw the book at him also. He's just as guilty as the shooter in this. Who are you pissing off that you need a gun for personal protection? Most run of the mill crooks that are breaking into your house aren't carrying guns (thanks to such laws). So there's less reasons to have a gun. I have exactly zero guns and shockingly feel perfectly safe even though I live in a slightly sketchy neighbourhood. A handgun (if you must have a gun) should be enough for protection, not a bloody shotgun or a rifle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiantFlamberge Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Feral said: Who are you pissing off that you need a gun for personal protection? Most run of the mill crooks that are breaking into your house aren't carrying guns (thanks to such laws). So there's less reasons to have a gun. I have exactly zero guns and shockingly feel perfectly safe even though I live in a slightly sketchy neighbourhood. A handgun (if you must have a gun) should be enough for protection, not a bloody shotgun or a rifle. I'm just thinking of those who may feel a need to have a gun to protect theirselves. If someone does buy a gun for that reason, then it is hoped that they never need to fire it. True, a handgun should be enough for self defense. It can be used as a deterrent, with no shots necessarily having to be fired. The sight of an armed homeowner approaching would be enough to make some crooks turn tail rather quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 The 2nd amendment was not put into place for people to protect themselves from crooks, rapists or even to hunt. The 2nd amendment was put into place to protect the people from a tyrannical government. Therefore, ANY restriction of the government upon the citizenry i.e. caliber, magazine capacity, rate of fire is completely unconstitutional UNLESS the government also institutes the same restrictions for the police and military. You can't overthrow a dictatorship with single-shot shotguns when the stormtroopers are carrying rocket launchers and Uzis... and THAT was the ENTIRE intent of the Founding Fathers... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_-_808 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, PSXtreme_ said: The 2nd amendment was not put into place for people to protect themselves from crooks, rapists or even to hunt. The 2nd amendment was put into place to protect the people from a tyrannical government. Therefore, ANY restriction of the government upon the citizenry i.e. caliber, magazine capacity, rate of fire is completely unconstitutional UNLESS the government also institutes the same restrictions for the police and military. You can't overthrow a dictatorship with single-shot shotguns when the stormtroopers are carrying rocket launchers and Uzis... and THAT was the ENTIRE intent of the Founding Fathers... That was their intent, yes, but do you think any of them could have possibly imagined a time when the country we would have such frequent mass shootings? Certainly something needs to be adjusted, whether it be restrictions on gun types, more mental health checks, more open carry laws, or a combination of the the above. We cant even begin to address the situation with an inept and divided government 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said: That was their intent, yes, but do you think any of them could have possibly imagined a time when the country we would have such frequent mass shootings? Certainly something needs to be adjusted, whether it be restrictions on gun types, more mental health checks, more open carry laws, or a combination of the the above. We cant even begin to address the situation with an inept and divided government The "mass shootings" are nothing more than the planned result the Left has been working towards now for 40 years... First, they are not a gun problem...they are a people problem...two generations of people spoiled with their participation trophy mentality taught from an early age that they are entitled to whatever they want, when they want it and if they don't get it they are within their rights to take it Weatherman Underground/Black Panther style...people taught to idolize the counter-culture of the 60s as they have destroyed the family unit, told to get high, drink and have all the sex you want because YOU are an individual who NOBODY should control, riot when you don't get what you want, destroy other people's belongings because they have what you want. Protesting and anarchy are glorified by the Woodstock wannabes who have been running the education system unchecked for the past 50 years where the kids are dosed and drugged to the gills on mind-altering drugs like Ritalin so they don't act up, where boys are being feminized and mentally castrated to turn them into sheep then not there to protect them when the bullies show up to flaunt, taunt and freely abuse the easy pickings the Left created. This isn't a Gen X or previous problem, this is the 2 generations that followed problem...a people that were not taught how to use a gun, when to use a gun and that the weapon is something to be respected, not feared. But now we've had the FUCK THE POLICE generation go out and have spawn of their own and NOW there suddenly is a gun problem...not a culture problem where Gangsta Rappas, not their fathers who are nowhere to be found, are glorified, worshiped and gun each other down at nightclubs as examples to the youth on how you solve a problem...where anything Judaeo-Christian is slapped down as an affront to humanity but are taught in schools about the righteousness and peacefulness of the Muslim faith, of course they fail to mention how these same enlightened folks toss homosexuals off of the top of buildings or behead them, mutilate female genitalia and subjugate them like slaves and kill them for expressing individuality or unapproved emotion to a man...then these same people have had their history whitewashed, sanitized, spun dry and reissued as the actual happening by painting their opponents as the actual villains instead of their own fore-fathers being the ones who turned the dogs and firehoses on the protesters at Selma, forced the National Guard to come out so young black boys and girls could attend their White-Only schools, marched entire tribes of Native Americans off their own land by gunpoint along the Trail of Tears to the Reservations and were the ones locking up the Japanese in 1942. No wait, you convinced me....it's DEFINITELY a gun problem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_-_808 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, PSXtreme_ said: Rant rant rant So you completely ignored anything I wrote (hint: I didnt say it was a gun problem) to go on your rant. Ok then, there's really no point to continuing this until you recognize that there are multiple aspects to the problem and certain gun modifications are part of it just like mental health is another part of it. You really think the people vs the government bit is going to do squat? If it came to that, the military could bring a tank/missile/bomb to outmatch your gun. There's no way to justify high mag, automatic weapons in the hands of joe schmoe, especially in the current climate. But I'm sure you'll ignore that too. Ciao Edit : I'm well aware people will find other ways to wreak havoc, such as driving into a crowd, but making reasonable gun adjustments and tackling mental health can help reduce the amount of people being killed seemingly every other week During the founding fathers time, guns were in their infancy. They never would've imagined the use of armored vehicles, bombers, or smart missiles. Nor would they have imagined a disgruntled kid shooting up his school with an assault rifle Edited August 31, 2019 by AJ_-_808 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfBambam55 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 the rise in mass shootings is something I don't really understand...i should start by saying that I am no expert on the topic but that it is certainly an issue I'd be curious to know more about and specifically the questions that many seem to be asking : "why does it seem there's an increase in their occurrences?" and "what can we do to prevent them?"...I try to break it down rationally with my limited knowledge and intellect and compare here, canada, and the US as are our cultures are very similar... 1 hour ago, PSXtreme_ said: The "mass shootings" are nothing more than the planned result the Left has been working towards now for 40 years... No wait, you convinced me....it's DEFINITELY a gun problem.... now this is where our countries are very, very similar and we don't have nearly as many mass shootings so although I might agree with some of the content of your post in how society is evolving I'm not certain these things are necessarily the reason for the increase or we could expect one here in canada as well... the most common reasons I've come across for these shootings occurring are mental health, media notoriety, and poor gun laws to generalize a bit...on the first two topics canada and america are almost identical in terms of stats and influences so logically, I have to cross them out as the deciding factor provoking these incidents...gun laws and ownership are just about the only area I can think of where there is a drastic difference...could this be it?...i don't have an answer but I have come across articles like this one that make me wonder if it is just the prevalence of guns and possibly overly lax laws causing many of the problems... I don't think walmart removing video game signs is going to reduce mass shootings but I do think companies taking action to reduce promotion of violence is not necessarily a bad thing...if the thought behind it is "these things are causing the violence", I'm not so sure...if it's "hey, let's make the world a better place by not bombarding consumers with violent imagery", then sure, why not... I have done a lot of research into the effect of gaming on mental states and the studies vary greatly...too much so to even begin doing the topic justice...i think a very general statement would be that in general people who are not in a positive mindset morally and ethically, are unmonitored, and who also display aggressive tendencies tend to seek out things that are in line with their feelings and thoughts...violent music, movies, video games, people, etc. all fall into the category of things that they may find appealing and might feed their desire to continue being or wanting to be destructive...could we ever realistically hope to change this on a societal level?...i would say highly doubtful...is reducing public advertisement of violence a good thing?...sure...does it solve or impact the underlying issue of people murdering each other?...likely not...two cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 You are absolutely right...There were 323 "mass shootings" last year with the astronomical number of 387 people killed, it's an epidemic!! In 2017 ALL gun related deaths were 39000+ (with 60% of those being suicides and 40% homicides) so there were a complete 15600 gun related deaths in toto. MEANWHILE in 2017: there were over 38000+ killed in automobile accidents, 75000+ killed due to poisoning, 47000+ due to suicide, 55600+ due to the flu, and over 300,000+ abortions were performed in the United States... but mass shootings are the real problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Mayus Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 people killed and at least 20 injured in Odessa, Texas I guess Walmart will have to remove some more signage to stop all of these massacres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiantFlamberge Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Walmart is saying that it will stop the sale of handgun ammo after running out of its current supplies, while forbidding civilians from openly carrying guns in their stores even if the state law allows (only law enforcement may be armed). WM's handgun sales in Alaska will stop. Even then, WM will continue to carry hunting rifles & ammo. https://www.kcbd.com/2019/09/03/walmart-stop-selling-handgun-ammunition/ That's a little progress, but it's not QUITE enough. Why not? Well honestly, I feel that a store like Walmart shouldn't be offering guns or ammo of any kind. Firearms sales should be restricted to specialised gun shops. These should be required to have a basement vault where they keep their stock. When a gun dealer closes down for the night, nothing at all should be in the display cases. Take it all down to the vault & lock it up until the next day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Mayus Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, RadiantFlamberge said: Walmart is saying that it will stop the sale of handgun ammo after running out of its current supplies, while forbidding civilians from openly carrying guns in their stores even if the state law allows (only law enforcement may be armed). WM's handgun sales in Alaska will stop. Even then, WM will continue to carry hunting rifles & ammo. https://www.kcbd.com/2019/09/03/walmart-stop-selling-handgun-ammunition/ That's a little progress, but it's not QUITE enough. Why not? Well honestly, I feel that a store like Walmart shouldn't be offering guns or ammo of any kind. Firearms sales should be restricted to specialised gun shops. These should be required to have a basement vault where they keep their stock. When a gun dealer closes down for the night, nothing at all should be in the display cases. Take it all down to the vault & lock it up until the next day. That's the thing it is a start but a small start. People shouldn't get complacent and should keep pushing for more and more change. Don't let companies and government think that small steps are good enough. Oh and Meghan McCain can go fuck right off for her comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Slime King Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 10:30 AM, PSXtreme_ said: The 2nd amendment was put into place to protect the people from a tyrannical government. Therefore, ANY restriction of the government upon the citizenry i.e. caliber, magazine capacity, rate of fire is completely unconstitutional UNLESS the government also institutes the same restrictions for the police and military. Good luck taking down a Predator drone with an AR-15. Nuclear arms are the only means by which a "sovereign citizen" could hope to assert their sovereignty over state authority. Hopefully they stock those at Walmart as well. On 8/31/2019 at 10:30 AM, PSXtreme_ said: THAT was the ENTIRE intent of the Founding Fathers Was it also the intent of the Founding Fathers that their initial draft of the Constitution would be taken as divinely inspired dogma, infallible and immutable until the end of days? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Fishing Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) . Edited September 14, 2020 by Fragtaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 01/09/2019 at 7:09 AM, PSXtreme_ said: You are absolutely right...There were 323 "mass shootings" last year with the astronomical number of 387 people killed, it's an epidemic!! In 2017 ALL gun related deaths were 39000+ (with 60% of those being suicides and 40% homicides) so there were a complete 15600 gun related deaths in toto. MEANWHILE in 2017: there were over 38000+ killed in automobile accidents, 75000+ killed due to poisoning, 47000+ due to suicide, 55600+ due to the flu, and over 300,000+ abortions were performed in the United States... but mass shootings are the real problem... You know your argument is ridiculous when you throw murder into the same category as car accidents and the flu. I know when I'm in a car that an accident could happen or when someone coughs I could get the flu. No one expects when they go to school or the shops that they could get shot and/or killed because some dipshit had a tough day and a gun was readily available for them to "solve their problem." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiantFlamberge Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 The NRA needs to stop the BS & give up trying to blame video games for all this violence. They take the 2nd Amendment & totally pervert its meaning... I'm sure the Founding Fathers are crying in heaven. Fragtaster summed it up a couple posts above. Meghan Mc Cain is totally wrong. Nobody needs a damned AR-15 for any reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 yeah.... ... the games are definitely to blame. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Feral said: You know your argument is ridiculous when you throw murder into the same category as car accidents and the flu. I know when I'm in a car that an accident could happen or when someone coughs I could get the flu. No one expects when they go to school or the shops that they could get shot and/or killed because some dipshit had a tough day and a gun was readily available for them to "solve their problem." Tell that to the lone survivor from a drunk driving incident when his entire family was killed because Johnny Walker was readily available... the point is more people are killed by alcohol or cars every year...don't see an outrage...the #1 killer of teenagers are car crashes...the most we see from that is a PSA to "Buckle Up." The point is...don't be a hypocrite...either EVERY life lost is equally important or none of them are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, PSXtreme_ said: Tell that to the lone survivor from a drunk driving incident when his entire family was killed because Johnny Walker was readily available... the point is more people are killed by alcohol or cars every year...don't see an outrage...the #1 killer of teenagers are car crashes...the most we see from that is a PSA to "Buckle Up." The point is...don't be a hypocrite...either EVERY life lost is equally important or none of them are... Way to miss the point completely. It is not the same. One is a drunken mistake that has had laws crafted to try and stop it. Also kids are taught about the dangers of drink driving. The other is murder hidden behind a few sentences on some bit of paper that makes it ok or they excuse it by saying it's simply a mental health problem. The only thing these 2 have in common is that they will always happen but you can at least try to stop them from happening so frequently. I'm not a hypocrite, I never said that deaths from mass shootings matter more than deaths from car accidents that is just stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Just now, Feral said: Way to miss the point completely. It is not the same. One is a drunken mistake that has had laws crafted to try and stop it. Also kids are taught about the dangers of drink driving. The other is murder hidden behind a few sentences on some bit of paper that makes it ok or they excuse it by saying it's simply a mental health problem. The only thing these 2 have in common is that they will always happen but you can at least try to stop them from happening so frequently. I'm not a hypocrite, I never said that deaths from mass shootings matter more than deaths from car accidents that is just stupid. Well, here's your solution to your problem. Don't come to America...enjoy your gun-free utopia and you don't have to worry about my guns shooting you...they doesn't have that type of range. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, PSXtreme_ said: Well, here's your solution to your problem. Don't come to America...enjoy your gun-free utopia and you don't have to worry about my guns shooting you...they doesn't have that type of range. Ok child, sure thing. You have fun in your bubble stupidity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neospoon Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, PSXtreme_ said: Well, here's your solution to your problem. Don't come to America...enjoy your gun-free utopia and you don't have to worry about my guns shooting you...they doesn't have that type of range. I feel this sums it up pretty good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Feral said: Ok child, sure thing. You have fun in your bubble stupidity. and I believe that should read," bubble OF stupidity." it pays to proofread before you adopt a position of superiority... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiantFlamberge Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 3:42 PM, AJ_-_808 said: Edit : I'm well aware people will find other ways to wreak havoc, such as driving into a crowd, but making reasonable gun adjustments and tackling mental health can help reduce the amount of people being killed seemingly every other week Sadly true. Let's say that guns are kept out of the hands of those who would use them to do mass shootings. Regrettably, they would indeed find some other way to cause mayhem. Mental health is one of the most important parts of this. Rather than the death penalty, I'd say lock the guilty party up for life without parole. In a capital punishment case, they'd likely appeal again, again, & again until hell freezes over. LWOP would be a better way to deal with the guilty. When someone buys a gun, there should be a waiting period of several days. Private sales, namely selling your own gun to another person, should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_-_808 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 57 minutes ago, RadiantFlamberge said: Sadly true. Let's say that guns are kept out of the hands of those who would use them to do mass shootings. Regrettably, they would indeed find some other way to cause mayhem. Mental health is one of the most important parts of this. Rather than the death penalty, I'd say lock the guilty party up for life without parole. In a capital punishment case, they'd likely appeal again, again, & again until hell freezes over. LWOP would be a better way to deal with the guilty. When someone buys a gun, there should be a waiting period of several days. Private sales, namely selling your own gun to another person, should be banned. I disagree on the LWoP vs death penalty. A guilty party imprisoned for life will just continue to cost taxpayer money. If they're proven guilty beyond doubt, I know I sure as hell dont want to be paying to keep them alive. No one thing will fix the problem completely, but there are a number of smaller steps that can be taken in combination to help reduce the frequency & scope of these occurrences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Mayus Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 6:11 AM, Feral said: Way to miss the point completely. It is not the same. One is a drunken mistake that has had laws crafted to try and stop it. Also kids are taught about the dangers of drink driving. The other is murder hidden behind a few sentences on some bit of paper that makes it ok or they excuse it by saying it's simply a mental health problem. The only thing these 2 have in common is that they will always happen but you can at least try to stop them from happening so frequently. I'm not a hypocrite, I never said that deaths from mass shootings matter more than deaths from car accidents that is just stupid. You can still come to Canada We have maple syrup and free health care. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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