Why do people hate this game so much?

[Sicho]

Let me start by saying that I'm a bit of a Fallout Fanboy and I'd say even a Bethesda fan since I like almost everything they put out as a developer and a publisher, so I may be a bit biased.
 

But I simply cannot comprehend the amount of literal hate this game gets!

 

Sure, those that expected a full-on Fallout 5 will be disappointed. Sure, those that expected a "real" survival game may be disappointed - because it is neither one of those. Sure, the game has issues and some of these problems are stupid, well-known bugs and yes, it's ridiculous that we encounter the same issues in so many different Bethesda RPGs for years and years. Also yes, I get that the game might not look like what a lot of people expect in 2018.

 

But still ... downvoting it to under 3 points on metacritic? Destroying it in every gaming forum available? It's pathetic, I would even say childish and I can't shake the feeling that a lot of "kids" are simply jumping on the bandwagon without even playing the game. (or maybe it is because it needs to have Battle Royale to be considered good nowadays haha ? ) I also have the feeling that it is mainly the "f2p" Crowd that's hating this game.

 

I'm having fun with it. Granted, I'm not a reference for fun nor do I think that just because I have fun, "everyone" must have fun. But there is fun to be had with this game if you take it for what it is - a coop RPG! Not a survival game, not a "classic" Fallout singleplayer experience, not a storytelling game... it's a multiplayer game. It's online, it's on servers, it has other players in it, it has "typical" MMO-like quests and events ... things one had to expect as soon as they said "Online", no?

Of course, it has neither the complexity nor the ambitions of a singleplayer Fallout ... it's a spin-off. But I think that's not something to hold against the game, it shouldn't even be compared to Fallout 3, NV and 4, it should be judged on its own merits. You don't compare the MMO Elder Scrolls Online with Skyrim even though they are in the same universe and share a lot of similar gameplay aspects... they are still fundamentally different games and genres!

And there's good stuff in Fallout 76! The base building is so much better than in Fallout 4 for example. Granted, if you don't like building bases (and many didn't like it in FO4) this does nothing for you.... but why buy the game then, since that is one of its main focusses? Or start hating it and bashing the game everywhere? Just move on...

 

I don't want to sound like the Bethesda Defense Force but it pains me (because it might hurt the future of the game and I want it to be around for a long time) to see it getting downvoted and bashed to oblivion (not the Elder Scrolls ) because I have so much fun with it: I build a really cool base, I like exploring the Wasteland (for me the "main thing" about any Bethesda RPG for me is just going in a direction and find stuff and locations), I even like the storyline so far, I like cosplaying in the game and trying on different outfits and "emoting" in front of others, I like that I can finally show my bases to other players, I like that I can coop quests with friends, I like the soundtrack and the world they build (finally colorful trees!) and I like the gameplay mechanics of the events and workshops etc.

Yes, I have encountered frustrating bugs! One of my quests is currently not progressing due to a trigger issue and I had multiple crashes! They could have done better, of course! There are many technical issues with it... but the game is still fun! It could be better but it's still a good time.. not excellent but still good! It's not the catastrophe "everyone" says it is. But I have the feeling for a long time now that in "gaming", there are only extremes... a game is either a masterpiece or a piece of shit, there doesn't seem to be room for "okay" or "solid" or other moderate ratings of games anymore ...

 

I personally am confident that Bethesda will make this game even more enjoyable over time. I base this on my experience with Elder Scrolls Online... really didn't like it in the beginning but it has come a long way since then, a ton of updates and patches and it is such a great game now IMO. And I really hope that Fallout 76 gets the same treatment and tons of free content and expansions in the future... but I'm very afraid that "the public" doesn't give this game the chance it deserves and Bethesda might give up on it early ...  Even though its even one of the rare games that does Microtransactions right (purely cosmetic and tons of currency earnable in-game)

 

What do you think? Are you one of the few that actually like the game?

 

 

[DePablo007]

That you are even defending this atrocity blows my mind. But then again, if you like it more power to you dude

[Sicho]

1 minute ago, SanhRim said:

That you are even defending this atrocity blows my mind. But then again, if you like it more power to you dude

 

according to your profile, you haven't played the game... so care to explain why it is an atrocity?

 

But then again, maybe don't bother... I'm not sure I want to open this can of worms.

 

On Metacritic, there are finally turning up reviews of people who actually played it so maybe one day, the reviews there will stabilize in the 7s.

[Brenden]

For whatever reason no matter how good the game is, people will hate it. People have just made an assumption and go with it. Happens a lot lately. I personally am excited to play it.

Edited November 19, 2018 by Brenden

[Guest]

I'd say it's because firstly, this latest installment to the franchise focuses on the common aspect of multiplayer games in modern gaming (from what I've heard). Secondly, this game was released in an incomplete state, bugs and glitches galore! I can't really tell if this was intended as a "rush out the door" release before Christmas since Fallout 4 was released the same month in it's release year as Fallout 76 (November 2015 - November 2018). However I do know that know many, many gamers hate it when a game is released in an unpolished condition, later having the developers fix the game with post-release patches.

 

LittleBigPlanet 3, anyone?

Edited November 19, 2018 by Skeptical69

[Sicho]

4 minutes ago, Brenden said:

For whatever reason no matter how good the game is, people will hate it. People have just made an assumption and go with it. Happens a lot lately. I personally am excited to play it.

 

People are expecting a new Fallout 5 with tons of new NPC´s and dialogs. I'm also waiting on that, it will come one day... in 8 years or so.

But I also knew that Fallout 76 wouldn't be like that. Bethesda told us it would be different before we spent our money.

It's Fallout with Multiplayer... what's not to love, unless you hate multiplayer and in that case simply aren't the target for this game?

 

Not everything is made for everybody.
Should I go ahead and downvote the latest Call of Duty because I would like to have yet another one set in WWII?

I just don't get the attitude ... maybe I'm old ...

[Alaquia]

in it's current state it looks like a bug infested mod for fo4 but it is a 60 dollar title with microtransactions. I totally get why people hate this game

 

how they implemented pvp, no human npcs, unstable servers (people even say they lost content after a server crash - goddamn it's 2018, the last time I saw something like that was 2005)... yadda yadda yadda... no thx

 

maybe it's fun for a few hours to stroll the giant map (with friends) and I hope it keeps beeing fun for you

 

 

[TurtlePM]

 

meanwhile, someone really hated Fallout 76

[DePablo007]

Instead of being an lazy ass and quickly going through my profile list, check my comment history.

 

Whatever, wasting my time on such a dumb game topic.

 

[NaseemJohn]

Yes I'd agree that some people are hating on it for fun or because it's the popular thing to do right now but there's a good amount that are just upset that it entirely rips out what made fallout great and just turns it into another bland survival game. Let's not even mention how buggy and broken the game is right now which in my opinion is unacceptable for a big studio such as Bethesda. They've gotten away with it more than a couple times because it's what people expect when they buy one of their titles but god forbid if it was another studio they would have been destroyed. If this was a PS3 game maybe some would give it a pass but in 2018 nah, especially if you consider all the quality games we've gotten this year such as god of war and red dead 2 just to name a few. 

[Cal]

I don't plan to play Fallout 76 not a big fan of multiplayer games but I think there a some reasons. 

 

1. It's different and changes a few things and most people don't like change.

 

2. People don't want to play a Fallout game that's based on multiplayer the Fallout games have always been a single player experience.

 

3. People tend to just jump on the bandwagon and hate it because it's the cool and popular thing to do.

 

 

[BlackCatBurrito]

It really could be as simple as the bandwagon. 

 

I'd like the think it's other things too. I like to think the "that's a Bethesda game" cute thing everyone says when their game is a complete mess at launch has started to grow old. I'd like to think one of the biggest developers in the industry is starting to be held to the standards others are. I'd like to think their competition has lifted the standards that we all expect as a community. I'd like to think they've chewed through their goodwill slowly with anti consumer moves. The way they pushed paid mods, the no early review stuff, the weird attempt to stop people selling their games again (even though that was swept under the rug they were testing the waters with that one) I'd like to see Bethesda put to the sword a little bit for this. It worked wonders for Assassin’s Creed. Ubi got roasted, they went away & did better. So the question is, why shouldn't the problems in a game from a developer of this magnitude be held under the microscope? 

 

Anyway, I still buy these games & generally like them, so I'm part of the problem, but all the people behind them honestly just piss me off. 

[Sicho]

2 minutes ago, Cerulean3 said:

I don't plan to play Fallout 76 not a big fan of multiplayer games but I think there a some reasons. 

 

1. It's different and changes a few things and most people don't like change.

 

2. People don't want to play a Fallout game that's based on multiplayer the Fallout games have always been a single player experience.

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that's why it's a spin-off and not the newest mainline title ... I could maybe comprehend the hate a bit if it was called Fallout 5 ...

 

2 minutes ago, Cerulean3 said:

 

3. People tend to just jump on the bandwagon and hate it because it's the cool and popular thing to do.

 

 

 

This.

9 minutes ago, SanhRim said:

Instead of being an lazy ass and quickly going through my profile list, check my comment history.

 

Whatever, wasting my time on such a dumb game topic.

 

 

yeah continue play some quality games... like Road Rage... ? 

Now THAT's a bad game... Fallout 76 is not nearly close to that kind of dumbster fire ...

7 minutes ago, NaseemJohn said:

it entirely rips out what made fallout great and just turns it into another bland survival game

 

 

This is where I have to disagree.
It is as "Fallout" as Fallout 3 or 4. honestly, sometimes when playing, it doesn't even feel different AT ALL.

It's basically the Fallout 4 endgame ... emphasis on ENDGAME... many people don't continue playing Fallout after the story is over but I do and build bases and hunt down lore and find out more about the world through the world itself etc... that's basically what Fallout 76 is and for me (!) that's the most "Fallout" thing a game can be.

[SnowxSakura]

10 minutes ago, Sicho said:

 

that's why it's a spin-off and not the newest mainline title ... I could maybe comprehend the hate a bit if it was called Fallout 5 ...

 

 

This.

 

yeah continue play some quality games... like Road Rage...  

Now THAT's a bad game... Fallout 76 is not nearly close to that kind of dumbster fire ...

 

This is where I have to disagree.
It is as "Fallout" as Fallout 3 or 4. honestly, sometimes when playing, it doesn't even feel different AT ALL.

It's basically the Fallout 4 endgame ... emphasis on ENDGAME... many people don't continue playing Fallout after the story is over but I do and build bases and hunt down lore and find out more about the world through the world itself etc... that's basically what Fallout 76 is and for me (!) that's the most "Fallout" thing a game can be.

As long as you're enjoying it, why does it matter if other people hate it, or if the metacritic score isn't great? There's people that love all kinds of crappy games out there, and the only thing that matters is the enjoyment.

[RevengeancePrime]

First of all, the game is a broken, buggy mess. This isn't something to just write off and say "well it's a Bethesda game." Why should anyone have any reason to support this game when the developers are too lazy to even release it in a better state? NPCs are also replaced with holotapes, which is another indication of the game's laziness. Maybe the game will be in a better state a year from now, but it will be because of the backlash. Bethesda has no reason to improve Fallout 76 if we were all like you and simply said it was fun. They'll just become lazier and lazier with each iteration of Fallout because there would be no need to improve since we'd all just eat up whatever they put out.

 

[ResoluteRock]

From what I read from the one-star reviews on Amazon, a few of the major problems people had:

 

1. There was apparently a 50 GB day 1 patch and people were mad that they had to wait forever for it to download (not to mention all the space it took up) before they got to play the game.

2. Some people complained that the servers weren't stable yet so they couldn't connect (that's to be expected)

3. Complaints about how it deviates from the traditional Fallout formula, especially with the whole "No NPCs" idea.

4. People complained it was a Fallout 4 re-skin and wasn't worth $60.

5. People were surprised that they needed PS+ to even play the game and they didn't want to buy it.

6. I saw this on a Gameranx video, but apparently on base consoles (PS4 and XBOX One) the framerate and game stability is atrocious, and the reviewer said that it definitely hurt the experience for him.

 

I'm personally a fan of Fallout but seeing all of these issues, I'm definitely going to wait to see how Bethesda responds and improves their game. The whole "No NPCs" thing really turns me off because I mainly play games alone, so the one selling point of the game - the whole "play with your friends" mechanic - is kinda lost on me. I've never played it, but I've seen gameplay and I'm definitely hesitant, mainly because of framerate/stability issues (I know it's a Bethesda game, but that doesn't make it any better) and the idea of having no NPCs would make me feel incredibly lonely in the game (I know it's what they were "going for", it being a nuclear wasteland and all, but it still isn't exciting at all to be all alone in the world).

[pmw95]

37 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

As long as you're enjoying it, why does it matter if other people hate it, or if the metacritic score isn't great? There's people that love all kinds of crappy games out there, and the only thing that matters is the enjoyment.

While I in general agree with this statement, I'm always sad and annoyed if games I love and admire get hated, because if this also means they fail commercially, the chances of the franchise/series/universe being extended with some further games in the future is often lessened significantly. So I feel like the hate of these people against some game I enjoy makes the positive opinion of people like me perish and leads to the franchise beeing discontinued, the server being shutdown earlier, etc.. Which seriously interfers with my very own enjoyment of the game (e.g. if servers are shutdown early).

 

I experienced this for different games in the past. No idea about Fallout 76 yet however, I haven't played it.

[EightBitArtist]

59 minutes ago, Sicho said:

yeah continue play some quality games... like Road Rage...  

Now THAT's a bad game... Fallout 76 is not nearly close to that kind of dumbster fire

 

when you have My Name is Mayo on your account, you lose any ability to criticize what others play. just sayin'

[Spider-Beyond]

Fallout 76 Is literally a empty Fallout 4 but done worse with a outdated engine.It's 2018 and stuff like this Is unacceptable,When you have other games like Red Dead Redemption 2,Spider-man and God of War doing better.

[Sicho]

25 minutes ago, ResoluteRock said:

The whole "No NPCs" thing really turns me off 

 

 

to be clear: there are NPCs in the game, just no HUMAN NPCs.

Robots and Supermutants are there as vendors and quest givers f.ex.

[SnowxSakura]

10 minutes ago, waldiphil said:

While I in general agree with this statement, I'm always sad and annoyed if games I love and admire get hated, because if this also means they fail commercially, the chances of the franchise/series/universe being extended with some further games in the future is often lessened significantly. So I feel like the hate of these people against some game I enjoy makes the positive opinion of people like me perish and leads to the franchise beeing discontinued, the server being shutdown earlier, etc.. Which seriously interfers with my very own enjoyment of the game (e.g. if servers are shutdown early).

 

I experienced this for different games in the past. No idea about Fallout 76 yet however, I haven't played it.

I'd rather see a good franchise die a great death, than become a yearly recycled release, or receive half assed sequels

[Sicho]

4 minutes ago, EightBitArtist said:

 

when you have My Name is Mayo on your account, you lose any ability to criticize what others play. just sayin'

 

In its genre (Clickers) it'ss one of the best IMO because of the funny writing.

But at least I'm not hating My Name is Mayo because it isn't the next Witcher 3  Because I'm well aware of what it is, which people don't seem to be when it comes to Fallout 76.

55 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

As long as you're enjoying it, why does it matter if other people hate it, or if the metacritic score isn't great? 

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the problem is that nowadays the metacritic score matters and even defines if developers get paid https://www.gamesradar.com/now-metacritic-can-do-developers-out-of-bonus-pay-and-jobs-as-bioshock-studio-demands-metascores-on-applications/

you can imagine that some people on a board of directors or something simply look at the metacritic score and based on that they decide, if the games get continued support or not ...

so I'm afraid that if the metacritic score of the professional reviews turns out to be as bad as the user scores (because the magazines don't want to "go against the trend") then it might spell the end for Fallout 76 before it even started ... which would be a shame because I think it's such a fun experience.

[Darkette]

10 minutes ago, EightBitArtist said:

 

when you have My Name is Mayo on your account, you lose any ability to criticize what others play. just sayin'

 

I don’t think tapping a jar for 20 minutes alters an opinion on a completely different AAA title. You have to be pretty delusional to think like that. Just sayin’

[Feral]

I haven't played it and most likely won't ever. Have watched countless hours of Oxhorn's live streams and it's not interesting me much at all.

 

The multiplayer only, no human NPCs and the survival stuff turned me off it. So instead I'll keep waiting for Fallout 5 or whatever Fallout Bethesda does next.

[angelgrievous]

52 minutes ago, ObliviousSenpai said:

First of all, the game is a broken, buggy mess. This isn't something to just write off and say "well it's a Bethesda game." Why should anyone have any reason to support this game when the developers are too lazy to even release it in a better state? NPCs are also replaced with holotapes, which is another indication of the game's laziness. Maybe the game will be in a better state a year from now, but it will be because of the backlash. Bethesda has no reason to improve Fallout 76 if we were all like you and simply said it was fun. They'll just become lazier and lazier with each iteration of Fallout because there would be no need to improve since we'd all just eat up whatever they put out.

 

bullshit lazy dev rhetoric.  do you know the first thing about game development?  do you know what it takes?  calling someone lazy is the laziest of criticism.  now other users are criticizing the playing of my name is mayo?  as if that means fuck all?  I swear this board gets more and more juvenile with each passing day.  

Edited November 19, 2018 by angelgrievous