The Last of Us Part II is now the fastest-selling PS4 exclusive ever

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

1 hour ago, Fearless0610 said:

Just going by what I've seen on Youtube and heard from people I know in Japan. This video does a good job of streamlining it a bit

 

Yeah I know that but if you look other PS4 exclusives like Spider-man, God of War and Days Gone. They only fell 42%, 35% and 60% and I just don't see this game having good longevity with all the controversy and backlash that it's getting. Plus the fact that Sony and Naughty Dog flat out lied and misled us for years is going to hurt this game a lot

 

It dropped by just 2% more than Uncharted 4, and that game is still the best selling PS4 exclusive.

 

The bigger drop compared to those other games could be attributed to a number of things, if it sold far more than those other exclusives, it is only natural for it to see a steeper drop, more people are buying it digitally, etc.

 

Right now, signs point towards strong sales. The YouTube scene wanted desperately for the game to fail, and are now clinging to whatever they can since the game launched to record breaking sales.

[Silver-I-Chariot]

It also dropped by 80% in UK so it's not just Japan. And before you say "But it's normal!". No, it's not if you compare it to some actually decent games.

 

Marvel’s Spider-Man boxed sales dropped by 42% in its second week with God of War by 35% fall in sales. But oh well, at least you can still gloat about your fastest selling game in world's history or something.

[Juzota]

38 minutes ago, Silver-I-Chariot said:

It also dropped by 80% in UK so it's not just Japan. And before you say "But it's normal!". No, it's not if you compare it to some actually decent games.

 

Marvel’s Spider-Man boxed sales dropped by 42% in its second week with God of War by 35% fall in sales. But oh well, at least you can still gloat about your fastest selling game in world's history or something.

 

Can you tell me where does it hurt?

[Slava]

YouTube is full of all kinds of different opinions. You can find as many people who praise the game and hope it does well there as people who do not. 

 

It's funny how people In this thread who don't want you to paint with a broad brush and generalize about the sales (or return) numbers, do exactly the same regarding YouTube.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Alderriz

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

6 hours ago, Silver-I-Chariot said:

It also dropped by 80% in UK so it's not just Japan. And before you say "But it's normal!". No, it's not if you compare it to some actually decent games.

 

Marvel’s Spider-Man boxed sales dropped by 42% in its second week with God of War by 35% fall in sales. But oh well, at least you can still gloat about your fastest selling game in world's history or something.

 

It only dropped by 80% in the UK. We don't know how much it dropped in its second week in Japan or anywhere else, because those numbers haven't been released.

 

As I already said, it dropped by just 2% more than Uncharted 4, which is still the best selling PS4 exclusive. Since we know Last of Us Part II sold more on launch than the other games by at least 700, 000 copies (Spider-Man sold over 3.3 million at launch), it would make sense for it to see a bigger drop the following week.

 

If by this time next year, the game hasn't even reached the 10 million mark, then we can talk about it under performing, but right now that isn't the case.

 

5 hours ago, Alderriz said:

YouTube is full of all kinds of different opinions. You can find as many people who praise the game and hope it does well there as people who do not. 

 

It's funny how people In this thread who don't want you to paint with a broad brush and generalize about the sales (or return) numbers, do exactly the same regarding YouTube.

 

YouTube is full of different opinions, but the YouTube gaming culture scene is largely against the game succeeding. The YouTubers that support the game are largely disconnected from the broader YouTube gaming culture scene.

 

I'm not talking about streamers, people that almost exclusively do reviews,  or people that work for outlets, but the scene that base their careers on chasing controversy. I should have been more specific, I'm talking about the scene that's made up of people like Geek + Gamers, The Quartering, etc.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Abby_TheLastofUs
Clarification

[Fearless0610]

23 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

 

It only dropped by 80% in the UK. We don't know how much it dropped in its second week in Japan or anywhere else, because those numbers haven't been released.

 

As I already said, it dropped by just 2% more than Uncharted 4, which is still the best selling PS4 exclusive. Since we know Last of Us Part II sold more on launch than the other games by at least 700, 000 copies (Spider-Man sold over 3.3 million at launch), it would make sense for it to see a bigger drop the following week.

 

If by this time next year, the game hasn't even reached the 10 million mark, then we can talk about it under performing, but right now that isn't the case.

 

 

YouTube is full of different opinions, but the YouTube gaming culture scene is largely against the game succeeding. The YouTubers that support the game are largely disconnected from the broader YouTube gaming culture scene.

 

I'm not talking about streamers, people that almost exclusively do reviews,  or people that work for outlets, but the scene that base their careers on chasing controversy. I should have been more specific, I'm talking about the scene that's made up of people like Geek + Gamers, The Quartering, etc.

Well it dropped 85% in it's second week in Japan and it's probably going to be in 70-80 range in the US in my opinion 

 

https://www.spieltimes.com/news/the-last-of-us-part-ii-sales-dropped-85-week-on-week-japan/

 

I'd be surprised if this sells 10 million but it probably will especially if Sony releases it on the PS5. The thing is this game has way too much baggage and Sony/Naughty Dog aren't making things any better by attacking fans, refusing refunds or by contacting critics who gave the game a mixed review

 

Plus Uncharted 4 didn't have the install base that the TLOU2 currently does and if it came out today it probably would have sold like 5-6 million copies in it's first 3 days or so considering each game in the series has sold more than the previous title except for Lost Legacy. Plus it was Nate's swan song

 

I'm not going to deny that some Youtubers just do click-bait videos in regards to pop culture controversy but at the same time there's plenty of people out there who have covered the game who are fans of the original and were massively disappointed by the sequel. They had issues with the story, characters, pacing, ending, etc. YongYea is a good example of that he did a good honest review of the game. So you need to look at it from both sides 

[Tetho_mig]

The game sales dropped by ~80% by second week because the players were expecting the game and pre-ordered it. It's the same with Uncharted 4, Naughty Dog's games are eagerly awaited by PlayStation players and this engagement is reflected into the pre-order numbers. Nothing more, nothing less, no need to try to read too much into it.

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

1 hour ago, Fearless0610 said:

Well it dropped 85% in it's second week in Japan and it's probably going to be in 70-80 range in the US in my opinion 

 

https://www.spieltimes.com/news/the-last-of-us-part-ii-sales-dropped-85-week-on-week-japan/

 

I'd be surprised if this sells 10 million but it probably will especially if Sony releases it on the PS5. The thing is this game has way too much baggage and Sony/Naughty Dog aren't making things any better by attacking fans, refusing refunds or by contacting critics who gave the game a mixed review

 

Plus Uncharted 4 didn't have the install base that the TLOU2 currently does and if it came out today it probably would have sold like 5-6 million copies in it's first 3 days or so considering each game in the series has sold more than the previous title except for Lost Legacy. Plus it was Nate's swan song

 

I'm not going to deny that some Youtubers just do click-bait videos in regards to pop culture controversy but at the same time there's plenty of people out there who have covered the game who are fans of the original and were massively disappointed by the sequel. They had issues with the story, characters, pacing, ending, etc. YongYea is a good example of that he did a good honest review of the game. So you need to look at it from both sides 

 

As I said, big drop offs aren't unusual when games launch as big as The Last of Us Part II did. 

 

Unfortunately, the earliest sales figures in Japan on a week to week basis I can find don't go back any further than 2019. So Days Gone is the only comparison I can use. Ok, never mind, I found sales data going further back, and I'll update this post after I've looked through them.

 

Days Gone

 

Week 1 - 114, 319

Week 2 - 33, 876

 

The Last of Us Part II

 

Week 1 - 178, 696

Week 2 - 25, 993

 

Spider-Man

 

Week 1 - 132, 520

Week 2 - 72, 644

 

God of War

 

Week 1 - 50, 257

Week 2 - 22, 436

 

Horizon Zero Dawn

 

Week 1 - 109, 739

Week 2 - 32, 068

 

https://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/japanese-sales-media-create-famitsu-dengeki/

 

So while The Last of Us Part II had a much bigger drop in its second week, its first sales for the first week alone are higher the week 1 & 2 totals for Days Gone. So the bigger drop off isn't unusual. 

 

With the exception of Spider-Man, The Last of Us Part II is selling about as well as AAA exclusives usually do in Japan.

 

The game is already close to four and a half million. Ten million by this time next year seems guaranteed. The controversy on the internet isn't going to hurt its sales numbers.

 

I agree on one thing though, and this is anyone from Naughty Dog privately contacting critics the way one did. It was unacceptable for the representative to privately contact the person that did the Vice review.  

 

This is a better example of how to deal with criticism. 

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Abby_TheLastofUs

[Elusion_428]

This thread and many similar ones are worse than Reddit, they really are.

[AJ_Radio]

It was obvious that since this is one of the last big exclusives for the PS4 (we're still waiting for Ghosts of Tsushima) it was going to sell like hotcakes as people are preparing to ditch the PS4 in place of the PS5 set to release late this year.

 

The Last of Us Part II sets a pretty good example of why I have become increasingly disappointed with the direction the AAA gaming industry has taken and the marks it has set for future games to follow. But even more disturbing is how entitled the gaming community in general has become.

 

Looking back at the last few months, it was clear to me Neil Druckmann was not treating others in the best respects, he was handling both himself and his fans very unprofessionally. But put yourself in his shoes for a minute, how would you handle people on Twitter, Reddit and Facebook giving you death threats? I would completely break out, I don't think anybody in the gaming industry deserves that kind of treatment, even if they're an asshole and they fired a giant portion of their working staff. Yet the leak that came out in April 2020 really showed the true colors of a lot of people.

 

Many are still disappointed with the way the game turned out, but what's done is done. Nothing we can do about it now. All the moaning and arguing that ensued was just a colossal waste of time. The way I see it, this was bound to get a sequel of sorts since the original game was universally acclaimed with 10 out of 10 ratings all across the board.

 

Naughty Dog didn't make a single new IP this generation, I have my hopes that they will make a new one by the PS5. They retired Crash, they retired Jak and Daxter, they retired Uncharted. The Last of Us is the only thing they have left.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Spaz

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

Sales performance in the US.

 

 

 

 

 

[Eqill5]

I don’t understand why some people are so desperate for something to fail. If you don’t like it, move on, and focus some positive energy on something you do enjoy.

 

I thought Part II was great, and am really looking forward to playing through it again.

[Ekir]

On 17/7/2020 at 11:13 PM, Eqill5 said:

I don’t understand why some people are so desperate for something to fail. If you don’t like it, move on, and focus some positive energy on something you do enjoy.

 

Some people hate the fact some products break certain conventions in the usual narrative.

 

Spoiler

A MC that is white, male, straight, and usually indestructable unless he has to face a glorified death in the very last moment for a wholesome ending where everybody cries for him, for instance.

 

I thought videogames were different from movies and tv shows because, well, all kind of MCs have been used by the players. Blobs, weird aliens, orcs, anyone.

 

But in the end all it took for it was that the games adopted a slightly realistic aproach, and insert some LGTB motives, defy whats in the spoiler, and add some female empowering (seriously though, is not that much, do anybody remember a game where we are allowed to kill so many women?) for all the bigots to appear. 

 

So this people wants the game to tank hard, to silence this new approach. They feel it goes against their core values. It's not just that they don't enjoy it, they are quite obsessed with what they feel this game implies. They want to boycott the game and put efforts into it.

 

I have nothing with people that just didn't enjoy the narrative, though. I agree is a bit convoluted.

 

But, all the bigotry? Seriously, I hope this game surpasses 10M in sold units and IDGAF if they make the next Kratos gay and pummels his new lovers with old style quicktimes. What I watch in a videogame is not gonna change my way of confront life.

[ARH65512]

I don't really care how well or bad it goes, but let's just say this video's explanation is most certainly a factor of why the game is selling so well...
 

on top of that, I don't trust Abby_TheLastofUs. I honestly think it's Neil Drunkmann or/and Anita Sarkeesian. The fact he/she has hidden trophies says it all. 

[jonesey46]

1 hour ago, ARH65512 said:

I don't really care how well or bad it goes, but let's just say this video's explanation is most certainly a factor of why the game is selling so well...
 

on top of that, I don't trust Abby_TheLastofUs. I honestly think it's Neil Drunkmann or/and Anita Sarkeesian. The fact he/she has hidden trophies says it all. 

I don't think Neil has time for that (at least I hope he doesn't) but its obvious that account is just a pot-stirring troll.

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

5 hours ago, ARH65512 said:

I don't really care how well or bad it goes, but let's just say this video's explanation is most certainly a factor of why the game is selling so well...

 

That video explains nothing. 

 

It tries to pass off standard practices as an anomaly that is helping TLOU2. The guy was one of those desperate for the game to fail, so he's fabricating anything he can to soften the defeat handed to them by the game's success. 

 

Some advice though, since some of you guys that have had it out for this game don't like being labeled as toxic. If you want to share what someone has said about the game, try and make it not someone that defends Hitler.

 

 

5 hours ago, ARH65512 said:

on top of that, I don't trust Abby_TheLastofUs. I honestly think it's Neil Drunkmann or/and Anita Sarkeesian. The fact he/she has hidden trophies says it all. 

 

Sadly, I am not the co-director and co-writer of some of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful video games of all time. Nor am I a respected feminist media critic whose criticism has influenced developers from Naughty Dog to Arkane Studios. ?

 

4 hours ago, jonesey46 said:

I don't think Neil has time for that (at least I hope he doesn't) but its obvious that account is just a pot-stirring troll.

 

Ah, yes.

 

I'm doing that notorious thing that trolls do: posting facts.

[jonesey46]

52 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

Ah, yes.

 

I'm doing that notorious thing that trolls do: posting facts.

Right you are mate, keep posting those facts to prove the haters wrong. Just like Abby's quest for revenge, it won't bring you peace.

[Juzota]

7 hours ago, ARH65512 said:

I don't trust Abby_TheLastofUs. I honestly think it's Neil Drunkmann or/and Anita Sarkeesian.

 

Yes, and I am Hideo Kojima. Hello.

[PooPooBlast]

On 02/07/2020 at 8:03 PM, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

This is a better example of how to deal with criticism. 

That's exactly his problem. How can you be in charge of a product that's being put out to millions of people in which your success depends on how well they receive your product only to shut them down like this. The hell?

 

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

1 minute ago, PooPooBlast said:

That's exactly his problem. How can you be in charge of a product that's being put out to millions of people in which your success depends on how well they receive your product only to shut them down like this. The hell?

 

 

How about posting everything he said, instead of just 11 seconds that cuts off before he even finishes his sentence.

[PooPooBlast]

27 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

 

How about posting everything he said, instead of just 11 seconds that cuts off before he even finishes his sentence.

Better? Change anything?

 

[ARH65512]

6 hours ago, jonesey46 said:

I don't think Neil has time for that (at least I hope he doesn't) but its obvious that account is just a pot-stirring troll.

That is 100% true. An account that was joined around the game's release date and named yourself of a character that people hate is not something that's not normal. Not to mention a trophy list is hidden. Something is up.

 

47 minutes ago, Juzota said:

 

Yes, and I am Hideo Kojima. Hello.

Just for the record, I was only half-joking, but I do think that account is not legit for the reasons I said above. I don't know why you bought that up because clearly your account is more legit (eg. trophy list, date joined older than me). I'm not trying down anyone because they "love" this game, just Abby_TheLastofUs. I have no idea who this person is, but it's an obvious troll here who for some reason gained a following more than me. 

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

18 minutes ago, PooPooBlast said:

Better? Change anything?

 

 

Better, but it disproves your previous post.

 

The video was posted last week, so attributing something Neil said in it as the reason why people are hating on the game as the reddit post does, is misleading, because the people that have been hating on the game have been doing for months before the game even came out.

 

Now let's get to what he actually said.

 

Starting at the 1: 23: 00 mark.

 

When Neil says critics of the game are less important, he's saying they're less important than what the team that made the game think, because he wants them to be proud of the game they made. Not that he doesn't care about criticism, but he would have been so upset if the people that spent years working on the game didn't think they made something good.

 

When he says some of them aren't important at all, he's talking about the people that have been toxic and making threats. 

 

He also says the reviews for the game were better than what he expected.

 

And, he says he was getting too much praise for the game, when it was a team effort.

 

Given the context of reddit clip, there's no reason to feel dismissed or belittled unless you're one of the haters that have been toxic and sending threatening messages.

Edited July 21, 2020 by Abby_TheLastofUs

[PooPooBlast]

40 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

Better, but it disproves your previous post.

 

The video was posted last week, so attributing something Neil said in it as the reason why people are hating on the game as the reddit post does, is misleading, because the people that have been hating on the game have been doing for months before the game even came out.

No it doesn't. This is one of the many reasons why a lot of people hate the game and it isn't the only reason.

 

40 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

When Neil says critics of the game are less important, he's saying they're less important than what the team that made the game think, because he wants them to be proud of the game they made. Not that he doesn't care about criticism, but he would have been so upset if the people that spent years working on the game didn't think they made something good.

That's fine and all but you can't turn a blind eye just because you want your team to feel good about themselves. Not to mention those people hate the story and not the environment, graphics, accessibility, etc which are praise-worthy. 

 

People have issues with the story which is something Neil was in charge of.

 

Even then that's kind of a lame excuse if you're saying Neil values what his team thinks more. Both should be just as valuable else that's like plugging your ears going LALALA because you can't handle the criticism (and I'm not talking about mindless hate). There will be no growth and improvement this way which as I said once again, is dependent on receiving criticism from your fanbase who will be receiving your product and learning on how you can better yourself especially if you're in charge of hundreds of employees. That's what leadership is about. 

 

Contrast what Neil said to this..

https://www.gamesradar.com/ghost-of-tsushima-creative-director-reacts-to-reviews-i-love-criticism-its-just-gonna-make-us-better/

40 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

When he says some of them aren't important at all, he's talking about the people that have been toxic and making threats. 

I do not condone toxic behaviour nor death threats which consists of the shittiest people in the world. My problem is that he dismisses criticism so easily and lumps it all with the group who are mindlessly hating the game. That's called deflection and he's just trying to not address our point on why people have problems with TLoU 2. 

 

Finally, I just want to end this and say I get no joy in a game failing. I gain nothing and I lose more. What's so fun about missing out on an enjoyable experience? People are just angry because of the way he handled the story, the criticism, ban hammers, DMCAs, etc and Sony sending ND reps to talk to reviewers about why they didn't review the game anything but a "9/10 or 10/10"..

 

I'm going to leave it at that. I just wanted to simply point out that Neil handled this poorly and I didn't want this to devolve into anything else. I don't have the luxury of time to type argumentative novels like this but I also didn't want to ignore your post either. 

Edited July 21, 2020 by PooPooBlast

[jonesey46]

22 minutes ago, PooPooBlast said:

No it doesn't. This is one of the many reasons why a lot of people hate the game and it isn't the only reason.

 

That's fine and all but you can't turn a blind eye just because you want your team to feel good about themselves. Not to mention those people hate the story and not the environment, graphics, accessibility, etc which are praise-worthy. 

 

People have issues with the story which is something Neil was in charge of.

 

Even then that's kind of a lame excuse if you're saying Neil values what his team thinks more. Both should be just as valuable else that's like plugging your ears going LALALA because you can't handle the criticism (and I'm not talking about mindless hate). There will be no growth and improvement this way which as I said once again, is dependent on receiving criticism from your fanbase who will be receiving your product and learning on how you can better yourself especially if you're in charge of hundreds of employees. That's what leadership is about. 

 

Contrast what Neil said to this..

https://www.gamesradar.com/ghost-of-tsushima-creative-director-reacts-to-reviews-i-love-criticism-its-just-gonna-make-us-better/

I do not condone toxic behaviour nor death threats which consists of the shittiest people in the world. My problem is that he dismisses criticism so easily and lumps it all with the group who are mindlessly hating the game. That's called deflection and he's just trying to not address our point on why people have problems with TLoU 2. 

 

Finally, I just want to end this and say I get no joy in a game failing. I gain nothing and I lose more. What's so fun about missing out on an enjoyable experience? People are just angry because of the way he handled the story, the criticism, ban hammers, DMCAs, etc and Sony sending ND reps to talk to reviewers about why they didn't review the game anything but a "9/10 or 10/10"..

 

I'm going to leave it at that. I just wanted to simply point out that Neil handled this poorly and I didn't want this to devolve into anything else. I don't have the luxury of time to type argumentative novels like this but I also didn't want to ignore your post either. 

Good retort and I think it's best that you do leave it at that, because there is obviously no winning with this person.