Should Big Leagues trophy be whitelisted?

[I_Am_Yuta_1999]

This is one of few games where trophies have became unobtainable due to taking out online functionality, but remained online servers intact like GTA V. Now, before I even start this, yes I already got the trophy when seasons were active back in 2014 (if you look at my profile). I know there are games that became 100%/platinum trophy unobtainable due to server closure or glitched trophies in the trophy (like "Dominion" trophy for Infinite Warfare) list I believe trophies like this and the one from GTA V should be whitelisted. I have seen players get flagged for this game for getting their entire trophy list auto-popped due to hackers. I mean from my perspective, "Who cares if someone gets Big Leagues trophy auto-popped? If they got everything else legit, then I think they're qualified enough to get this trophy. Even "Giant Accomplishment" 6 times more rarer than "Big Leagues" trophy and I doubt even if Big Leagues trophy gets whitelisted, it wouldn't do to change platinum/100% completed on psnprofiles due to Black Ops 2 platinum trophy in general being very difficult to obtain first of all.

Also, I have experienced hackers on this game auto-popping my BO2 trophy list on Xbox 360. I was in a public zombies lobby back in 2017 when Microsoft announced Call of Duty Black Ops II became backwards compatible on Xbox One so many of my friends and I hopped onto Black Ops II to have some good old times. However, when a friend of mine and I hopped onto the public zombies lobby, hacker auto-popped all of our yet unattained achievements for that game without any pop-ups nor warnings on our screen (meaning we were caught surprised out from blue). Usually, when hackers are about to auto-pop trophies/achievements for Black Ops II, you should see something like, "unlocking all achievements", etc. I have saw such screen on PS3 and Xbox 360, and when I do come across such pop-up messages, I back out in order to avoid getting illegitimate trophies/achievements auto-popped. But the public zombies lobby my friend and I were in, that was not the case. Even after backing out from the modded lobby, we thought that was the end of it, however achievements were still auto-popping. So even if you think you are in a hack-free lobby, there could be a hacker in the lobby waiting for him/her to auto-pop every single one of trophies for everyone without a notice. So I think this one of the reason why the entire Black Ops II trophy list should be whitelisted (if not, then whitelist strictly Big Leagues trophy only). Now I know some people might say, "I mean you were playing on Xbox 360 right? Well that's different console". True, but you can't deny the fact it's basically same game at the end of the day.

Now, this is NOT a free pass to seek hackers auto-pop trophies since I also condemn cheating/hacking/modding at all cost. On a note, if someone gets their trophy list auto-popped, then they should either get flagged (not a flag like the one we have today), but wouldn't count toward two flagged game rules and leaderboard points. But if they only got Big Leagues popped by a hacker/cheater/modder (or whatever you like to call those a**holes who ruin the game), then that's fair and I believe they should get counted toward leaderboard. I am going to get sidetracked a bit, but if they use save files for games without encryption to get trophies, then they should get flagged for it. But for games like Call of Duty World at War, Call of Duty Black Ops II, and Grand Theft Auto V, it should be treated differently from others (I meant if you get hacked on either or all three games I just said, and get 3 or more trophies illegitimately, then it shouldn't get counted toward leaderboard points nor be on fastest/100% leaderboard, but shouldn't have to be counted two flagged games rules that we have right now. Only apply those two flagged games on games where it's possible to use save files without encryption to auto-pop their entire trophy list for some certain games like FIFA 09, Super Meat Boy, and you name them).

On a side note, I believe Cheater Removals Team (not saying this as a hate toward CRT, nor I hate what CRT are doing) should invest their time on punishing people who do cheat to get their trophies from games like "Super Meat Boy", "FIFA 09", PS Vita games, by editing timestamps, or any other games without encryption where you could use save files to auto-pop your entire trophy lists within minute or two. Also, I am not trying to start a flame war between the community. I think this is the only way to stop this discussion once and for all by voting on this poll.

If you believe this trophy should be whitelisted, then awesome! You and I share the same feeling!

If you're against it? That's fine, I could understand why people would disagree with my opinion!

If you can't make either decision, that's fine, that's no problem! I could also understand this topic is hard for some people to answer either yes or no!

You don't care about it? That's fine! Hope you have a nice day though (in positive way)

Also, I am not a native English speaker so if I wrote something that made you think this passage is poorly worded, please forgive me.

 

To all psnprofiles users, thank you for reading this and hope you have a blessing wonderful day!

Best regards, IOnlyUseBlade99       

Edited October 19, 2020 by IOnlyUseBlade99

[BeautifulTorment]

It already is whitelisted. If you hide the trophy, you are allowed on the leaderboards.

 

That is a perfectly customizable whitelist that works for 2 whole flags before you are totally out of chances.

[xDerErnst]

this question has been brought up countless times by now and I doubt anything is going to change. There are many people who already got the trophy who think this would be unfair for them but in the end it's just a single trophy in an entire game that's not available anymore, so why not allow it. that being said I can't get it anyway even if i try cuz thanks to my namechange i can't play online in the first place.

[Potent_Delusions]

This has been done to death and i'm saying that as someone who probably most wants this game whitelisted. A lot of people on this website are already in favour of it. Hell, even the cheat team members are in favour of this game getting a specially added new whitelist whereby new earners do not contribute towards the game statistics but do not have to hide the game on their own profiles. We need the website owner to implement this. It is stupid how people are punished for playing one of ps3's most popular games online for fun and subject to something that isn't their fault. 

 

@BeautifulTorment That's not a good whitelist. It's not even a whitelist, it's business as usual. It's not their fault and they want the game on their profile. The one outlined by being acceptable by the cheater team as described in my paragraph above is a fair compromise. Not trying to sound argumentative, just think there should be a halfway house which that new whitelist satisfies perfectly (especially if people go out of their way to earn every trophy other than Big Leagues first).

Edited October 19, 2020 by Potent_Delusions

[Aodir]

Yes a thousand times, sadly this is not the first nor the last time this issue will be brought up.

 

@xDerErnst Believe you can if you load up a local match offline and then sign on psn through XMB and load MP/Zombies.

[xDerErnst]

4 minutes ago, Aodir said:

Believe you can if you load up a local match offline and then sign on psn through XMB and load MP/Zombies.
 

 

I'm going to try that later, thanks

[TeamPlayer_1999_]

I voted for whitelist

 

Edited October 19, 2020 by TeamPlayer_1999_

[I_Am_Yuta_1999]

 

26 minutes ago, xDerErnst said:

There are many people who already got the trophy who think this would be unfair for them but in the end it's just a single trophy in an entire game that's not available anymore, so why not allow it. that being said I can't get it anyway even if i try cuz thanks to my namechange i can't play online in the first place.

It's indeed dumb after changing PSN ID you can no longer play Black Ops II multiplayer nor zombies unless if you contact Sony to change back to your old PSN ID. :/

 

22 minutes ago, Potent_Delusions said:

It is stupid how people are punished for playing one of ps3's most popular games online for fun and subject to something that isn't their fault. 

I also agree people should not get punished for games people play. Even if it was PS3 games

[HaserPL]

No. You had like what, 2 or 3 years to play 5 fucking online matches, it literally took 15 minutes to get this trophy. And now once it's unobtainable people are bitching about how it's unfair to get banned? Maybe whitelist every single online trophy that's unobtainable, you know, to be fair. Get over with and go do something with your life. 

[CristianX-97]

12 minutes ago, HaserPL said:

No. You had like what, 2 or 3 years to play 5 fucking online matches, it literally took 15 minutes to get this trophy. And now once it's unobtainable people are bitching about how it's unfair to get banned? Maybe whitelist every single online trophy that's unobtainable, you know, to be fair. Get over with and go do something with your life. 

It most certainly didn't take 15 minutes to get this trophy. You needed 5 initial matches for a rank placement, and then 5 more matches post-placement. This either way you look at it would have taken anywhere from 90-120 minutes.

[I_Am_Yuta_1999]

53 minutes ago, HaserPL said:

No. You had like what, 2 or 3 years to play 5 fucking online matches, it literally took 15 minutes to get this trophy. And now once it's unobtainable people are bitching about how it's unfair to get banned?

I already got all 5 multiplayer online trophies for Black Ops II btw. On a side note, all, but one online trophies are still obtainable to this day FYI. Back onto the topic, Big Leagues trophy got unobtainable since seasons for League Play got discontinued back in 2015 without any prior notice from Activision/Treyarch whatsoever. I would support being flagged if the entire server was down or if it was announced prior to seasons being discontinued. I would say if people didn't get online trophies before being discontinued with server closure announcements like some old FIFA and Pro Evolution Soccer franchise or instance, then that's their fault, but games like BO2 or GTA V where online functionality was taken out without notifying player base and people complaining about it is understandable from my point of view. Also what's different with this game is online server is still up and people can hop on and play multiplayer and zombies with their friends even right now if they want to. Even GTA V falls into this category like BO2. For GTA V, Rockstar had taken out bounty feature from online without any notice. Also both of these games (along with Call of Duty World at War), hackers could auto-pop other player's trophies even without any pop-up messages whatsoever. Not trying to start flame war here, but personally if someone auto-pops someone's trophies without even a notice nor seeking out, then I don't think people should get punished. Last but not least, if someone auto-pops trophy hunter's trophies for whole entire BO2 trophies, then those illegitimate trophies shouldn't count toward leaderboard points and not get flagged. On other case, if someone gets all trophies legit, but Big Leagues, then I think that's ok to get counted on leaderboard points which is fine with someone who got Big Leagues when seasons were active. But still I mean I could understand your opinion you wrote there. That's cool with me! 

 

38 minutes ago, CristianX-97 said:

It most certainly didn't take 15 minutes to get this trophy.

It indeed didn't take 15 minute to get the trophy! You had to play minimum of 10 matches in order to get the trophy! Getting wins weren't tough also. The weird thing is for Black Ops III, the arena mode (equivalent of League Play from Black Ops II) has seasons still ongoing even to this day (even after Black Ops IIII was released). I still question why they discontinued seasons for League Play for Black Ops II. I am sure it wouldn't have used little to no resource for Treyarch/Activision even if they kept seasons active for that game.

 

 

Also please no toxicity please! Is this what we trophy hunters are? Is this our identity to verbally attack/abuse other trophy hunters? Don't trophy hunters help each other out (especially online trophies)? I know you guys are better than that! Just saying, and no I am not even trying to start a war here. If you can't say anything without being toxic/using verbal abuse or profanity, PLEASE don't bother replying to this topic forum

Edited October 19, 2020 by IOnlyUseBlade99

[Kittet3]

 

 

 

 

 

[ArmoredSnowman]

Not gonna happen, but I'll always throw in support for this. It was a stupid decision by 3arc to put such a time-limited trophy in the main list. 

[Potent_Delusions]

36 minutes ago, ArmoredSnowman said:

Not gonna happen, but I'll always throw in support for this. It was a stupid decision by 3arc to put such a time-limited trophy in the main list. 

 

And here's the kicker and one of the finest examples of Sod's law that you'll see in trophy hunting: BO3's league play feature (which has no trophy attached to it) is still running to this day, 2 years after BO4 came out and 5 years after the game released, but BO2's league play feature which did have a trophy attached gets axed without warning as soon as the next Treyarch game came out. Absolutely typical. 

 

@Sly Ripper Is there possibility for this to be implemented later this year or next year at all? All of your cheat team agree with it the last we heard and the need for it is going to escalate by about 5000% when this starts happening on PS4 titles where you cannot "delete your user" as trophies synch automatically. When this inevitably happens to games like COD WW2 on PS4 then something will have to be done. 

 

[Beyondthegrave07]

We already have similar threads on this and there was a reason the other one was locked. If you want to vote on a whitelist option, do it here. We don't need several threads to cover each instance.