WiktorM101 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Han_the_Dragon said: For you it's earnable if you can somehow buy a copy retail or other region and play, but not if you can buy a retail copy and play the game unpatched. You took what i said out of context 37 minutes ago, WiktorM101 said: There still may be way to buy some delisted games on eBay for example. Then they shouldn't be unobtainable, right? Or should they? Hence my AC comparison. With context it doesn't say that 12 minutes ago, Han_the_Dragon said: Just by curiosity what is your take on Syberia 2? The "Old School" trophy is unobtainable in the EU version, but it's earnable in the US version. At your eyes, it's earnable or not? Should be unobtainable (similar to downgrading). Never heard of it before but you can submit it honestly. If we have 2 stacks we submit one that doesn't work. Here thay are one so we need to warn people. Edited December 13, 2021 by WiktorM101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) This was said couple pages back but the basic premise was: can I get the trophy on the latest patch? If not, it should be listed here. Doesn't matter if downgrading consists of deleting and installing the game offline or using proxy server. Either way, everything has been said already I believe. Duplicate check: OK. Contains 674 trophy lists. src/list.json5 valid @HuntingFever I missed your post but I'm not planning to add special flag for dev lists. These are so rare, seems like complete overkill to add this special feature just for them. Most PSNP+ users are seasoned trophy hunters so hopefully they can recognize such list when they see one and if not, nothing bad will happen either way. Edited December 14, 2021 by HusKy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, HusKy said: This was said couple pages back but the basic premise was: can I get the trophy on the latest patch? If not, it should be listed here. Doesn't matter if downgrading consists of deleting and installing the game offline or using proxy server. Either way, everything has been said already I believe. Duplicate check: OK. Contains 674 trophy lists. src/list.json5 valid @HuntingFever I missed your post but I'm not planning to add special flag for dev lists. These are so rare, seems like complete overkill to add this special feature just for them. Most PSNP+ users are seasoned trophy hunters so hopefully they can recognize such list when they see one and if not, nothing bad will happen either way. Fair enough . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han_the_Dragon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, WiktorM101 said: Should be unobtainable (similar to downgrading). Never heard of it before but you can submit it honestly. If we have 2 stacks we submit one that doesn't work. Here thay are one so we need to warn people. Ok, I start to feel like we were in the same page, just seeing things from a different angle, since for me buying a game from Ebay or buying a game from a different region to allow to earn a trophy that otherwise is impossible is the same thing. But I understand that for the subject of this thread they are considered different, and the only thing that matters is if the trophy is available in all regions that the game is available. 9 hours ago, HusKy said: This was said couple pages back but the basic premise was: can I get the trophy on the latest patch? If not, it should be listed here. Doesn't matter if downgrading consists of deleting and installing the game offline or using proxy server. Either way, everything has been said already I believe Yes, I drop the case. Edit: leaving this here: // Syberia 2 (PS3) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/3481-syberia-2 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/3481-syberia-2/13-old-school "3481": [13], Edited December 14, 2021 by Han_the_Dragon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han_the_Dragon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 I did some run through my trophy lists and found the following: - FF15 has 10 unobtainable trophies, not 7 (2 different multi-player DLC sets). I will likely do duplicate submissions on this one, since some trophies were already marked as unobtainable in some stacks. - Grand Kingdom platinum is unobtainable because of 1 trophy - Qurare is fully unobtainable. The submissions: // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (EU) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5611-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/68-beacon-of-hope // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/69-kingly-blessing // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/70-one-with-your-blade // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/71-come-back-kenny // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/72-royal-retinue-rumble // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/73-cleaving-a-path // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/74-let-there-be-light // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/89-blessed-by-all // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/90-chocobreeder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5611-final-fantasy-xv/91-beacons-of-hope "5611": [68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 89, 90, 91], // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (NA) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5612-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/89-blessed-by-all // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/90-chocobreeder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/91-beacons-of-hope "5612": [89, 90, 91], // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (JP) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5622-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/68-beacon-of-hope // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/69-kingly-blessing // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/70-one-with-your-blade // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/71-come-back-kenny // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/72-royal-retinue-rumble // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/73-cleaving-a-path // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/74-let-there-be-light // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/89-blessed-by-all // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/90-chocobreeder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5622-final-fantasy-xv/91-beacons-of-hope "5622": [68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 89, 90, 91], // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (AS) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5623-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/68-光明之城 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/69-被授予的能力 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/70-劍心合一 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/71-肯尼也等很久囉 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/72-被遴選之王的夥伴們 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/73-開拓未來之劍 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/74-為星球帶來光明 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/89-諸王之力 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/90-陸行鳥培育家 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5623-final-fantasy-xv/91-被託付的希望 "5623": [68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 89, 90, 91], // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (CN) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5624-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/68-光之城镇 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/69-赠予之力 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/70-人剑合一 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/71-凯尼也等着呢 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/72-天选之王的同伴们 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/73-开拓未来之剑 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/74-将光明带给星球 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/89-聚集之力 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/90-陆行鸟饲养员 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5624-final-fantasy-xv/91-不负重托 "5624": [68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 89, 90, 91], // Grand Kingdom (PS4/Vita) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/4978-grand-kingdom // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4978-grand-kingdom/1-hero-of-resonail // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4978-grand-kingdom/20-flag-collector "4978": [1, 20], // Qurare: Magic Library (PS4) (NA) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5090-qurare-magic-library // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/1-lets-start // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/2-now-youre-talking // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/3-a-diligent-librarian // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/4-interpretation-complete // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/5-utilizing-surplus-kodices // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/6-the-kodex-maker // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/7-the-crusher // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/8-the-millionaire // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/9-everyones-here // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/10-st-valentines-hysteria // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/11-to-be-continued // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/12-lets-do-this-together // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/13-the-best-party-member // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/14-a-real-librarian // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5090-qurare-magic-library/15-the-kodex-master "5090": [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15], // Qurare: Magic Library (PS4) (AS) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/4286-qurare-magic-library // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/1-lets-start // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/2-now-youre-talking // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/3-a-diligent-librarian // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/4-interpretation-complete // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/5-utilizing-surplus-kodices // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/6-the-kodex-maker // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/7-the-crusher // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/8-the-millionaire // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/9-everyones-here // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/10-st-valentines-hysteria // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/11-to-be-continued // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/12-lets-do-this-together // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/13-the-best-party-member // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/14-a-real-librarian // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4286-qurare-magic-library/15-the-kodex-master "4286": [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15], 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Age_kon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 8:21 AM, Age_kon said: // Key We (PS4) (EU) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/14088-key-we // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/14088-key-we/1-the-whole-package // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/14088-key-we/16-fully-stocked // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/14088-key-we/17-secrets-of-the-telepost "14088": [1, 16, 17], There is one collectible that's unobtainable (only available on 1.00), but trophy is still glitched if you get it. The collectible is needed for all three trophies. This is only on the PS4 version. This was newly updated and all the trophies are now obtainable for both regions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiktorM101 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 You can't get this trophy on NA version. Similar to Syberia 2. // Tetraminos (PS4) [WiktorM101] // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/4319-tetraminos // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/4319-tetraminos/11-puzzle-elite "4319": [11], 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Han_the_Dragon said: // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (NA) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5612-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/89-blessed-by-all // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/90-chocobreeder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/91-beacons-of-hope "5612": [89, 90, 91], Is this submission incomplete? I'm assuming the full submission should be this: // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (NA) [HusKyCode] // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5612-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/68-beacon-of-hope // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/69-kingly-blessing // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/70-one-with-your-blade // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/71-come-back-kenny // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/72-royal-retinue-rumble // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/73-cleaving-a-path // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/74-let-there-be-light // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/89-blessed-by-all // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/90-chocobreeder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/91-beacons-of-hope "5612": [68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 89, 90, 91], Duplicate check: OK. Contains 680 trophy lists. src/list.json5 valid Edited December 14, 2021 by HusKy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han_the_Dragon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, HusKy said: Is this submission incomplete? I'm assuming the full submission should be this: // Final Fantasy XV (PS4) (NA) [HusKyCode] // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5612-final-fantasy-xv // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/68-beacon-of-hope // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/69-kingly-blessing // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/70-one-with-your-blade // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/71-come-back-kenny // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/72-royal-retinue-rumble // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/73-cleaving-a-path // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/74-let-there-be-light // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/89-blessed-by-all // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/90-chocobreeder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/5612-final-fantasy-xv/91-beacons-of-hope "5612": [68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 89, 90, 91], Duplicate check: OK. Contains 680 trophy lists. src/list.json5 valid Yes, it wasn't complete, I only mentioned the additional trophies that were needed to add to the list (since I don't own that version, I was able to check what trophies were already submitted as unobtainable for it). The full unobtainable list for the FF15 US stack is the one that you mention. PS: When adding more trophies as unobtainable for a specific list, we should list again the trophies that were already marked as unobtainable too? Similar to what I did to the FF15 EU stack, instead of just submitting the additional trophies, like I did for the FF15 US stack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, Han_the_Dragon said: When adding more trophies as unobtainable for a specific list, we should list again the trophies that were already marked as unobtainable too? Similar to what I did to the FF15 EU stack, instead of just submitting the additional trophies, like I did for the FF15 US stack? Yes, ideally the submission should be complete so I can just replace the whole thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han_the_Dragon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, HusKy said: Yes, ideally the submission should be complete so I can just replace the whole thing. Ok, will do that next time that I see anything to submit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_Kisuragi Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Starhawk missing one trophy that requires online multiplayer. Adding Minor Miscalculation. // Starhawk (PS3) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/1430-starhawk // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/1-starhawk-veteran // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/19-first-blood // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/20-outlaw // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/21-the-first-of-many // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/22-conqueror // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/23-ctf-starter // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/24-ctf-veteran // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/25-zones-starter // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/26-zones-veteran // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/27-tdm-starter // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/28-tdm-veteran // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/29-team-leader // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/30-lone-wolf // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/31-prospector-starter // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/32-prospector-veteran // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/33-perfect-harvest // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/35-build-battle // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/36-curious-builder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/37-prolific-builder // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1430-starhawk/48-minor-miscalculation "1430": [ 1, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 36, 37, 48 ], 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shary96 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 13 hours ago, Han_the_Dragon said: // Syberia 2 (PS3) // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/3481-syberia-2 // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/3481-syberia-2/13-old-school "3481": [13], Syberia 2 technically isn't unobtainable. Even if the trophy "Old School" is glitched in the EU version, you can still purchase the NA version since they share the same list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, shary96 said: Syberia 2 technically isn't unobtainable. Even if the trophy "Old School" is glitched in the EU version, you can still purchase the NA version since they share the same list. It is if you only have the EU release and no way to get the US version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banton_Grievous Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 This is an amazing idea! I'll definitely see if I can submit something later to help. Regarding Superliminal though, @HusKy, that trophy isn't actually unobtainable (at least, in the NA stack for sure). I realize that it glitched for a lot of people, but I did manage to record my challenges saving successfully for each level when I earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaRejectz Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 @HusKy Does this feature existing mean there's a chance in the feature you'll add a similar feature that shows online/multiplayer trophies? So that people can view their profile for games that are still obtainable but without looking into each game? Or maybe a little icon that shows the game features online/multiplayer trophies? This feature's super useful. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 8 hours ago, shary96 said: Syberia 2 technically isn't unobtainable. Even if the trophy "Old School" is glitched in the EU version, you can still purchase the NA version since they share the same list. Yes, this was discussed a bit earlier. This is a non-issue for US owners and the EU owners will at least know something is not right. 7 hours ago, Banton_Grievous said: This is an amazing idea! I'll definitely see if I can submit something later to help. Regarding Superliminal though, @HusKy, that trophy isn't actually unobtainable (at least, in the NA stack for sure). I realize that it glitched for a lot of people, but I did manage to record my challenges saving successfully for each level when I earned it. This is very interesting. If the trophy is just buggy, it will be removed indeed. I have tagged you in one of the threads where this is being discussed. Hopefully you guys can figure it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadeSplit Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 // Koloro (PS4) [ShadeSplit] // https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/11051-koloro // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/11051-koloro/11-sad-reality // https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/11051-koloro/12-twin-sisters "11051": [11, 12], Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 Keeping Superliminal tagged for the time being. Only 1 US achiever, 0 EU achievers. There was new patch today but it doesn't seem to have helped. Duplicate check: OK. Contains 681 trophy lists. src/list.json5 valid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlatinumTrophy Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/14793-windlands-2 this game can be removed from the unobtainables list, it was patched today and all trophies are obtainable now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 Superliminal EU/US will be removed later today as well. Super buggy but seems possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) Updated: Quote Last update: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:57:34 GMT Contains 678 unique trophy lists Small update on the website: the info above is now also displayed on the index page. https://psnp-plus.netlify.app/ I will be following the situation with Superliminal for the time being. Edited December 17, 2021 by HusKy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCheck-- Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/14793-windlands-2/ Obtainable now after the latest patch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 Just now, MikeCheck-- said: https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/14793-windlands-2/ Obtainable now after the latest patch. 2 posts above. The change will appear in PSNP+ for everyone within the next 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCheck-- Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, HusKy said: 2 posts above. The change will appear in PSNP+ for everyone within the next 24 hours. Apologies for the duplicate information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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