(NEWS) - No more major updates for RDR2

[GUDGER666]

Did it ever even get any major updates? I kept waiting for some news that something good had been added to online but never happened. 

 

I can see GTA6 been an absolute disaster and the end of Rockstar. 

[Alex_Gorbatschow]

4 hours ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

I hear this a lot, and i really don't think it's a fair point. 

 

Sure, they brought GTA V to ps4, but man, it was released on ps3, right on the console generational shift. So bringing it to ps4, was not a cash grab. And bringing GTA V to ps5, was maybe a little cash grabby (i myself bitched about it a lot, since i thought it was free or heavily discounted. I then found out that i actually was right when it was released for ps5, but i was late to the party, so that's my fault). But again, no one is forcing you to buy the game again. 

 

Gta 5 ps5 was a little bit cashgrab??? The announcement Trailer of that version is the most disliked Trailer ever. People all over the world were heavily disappointed. Yes no is forced to buy it. No one is also forced to buy sharkcards. But players who cant afford to grind all day have a hard time experiencing all the "free" Update stuff they include. 

 

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They released RDR2 in late 2018. One of the best and most well made games ever. Come on, give them credit where credit is due. The SP experience in RDR2 is fantastic and many hours of gameplay. It's a BIG game. 

 

They wanted to create a GTA Online 2. It failed. RDR 2 will officialy die now or be remastered 20 times at best. Again no SP DLC. People are asking for SP DLCs for 10 years (!!) at this point. 

 

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Rockstar never brings out shit games. (The remasters of the trilogy was a studio they hired to do it. It turned out it was a bad call). 

 

It was a different studio. Yes. Rockstar is still to blam as you gave Rockstar your money. You expect from THEM to give you a decent remaster. How they approach it is their Business. The remaster failed. It doenst matter who failed it as at the end you paid Rockstar/take two to get a decent remaster.

 

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And sure, GTA Online has microtransactions, but again, no one is forcing you to buy shark cards. I did it once, since i needed some stuff for doomsday heists, but i could have played for the money in stead, ingame. 

 

Grinding is something not everyone can afford to spend time on. Those Persons are more or less forced to buy them if they want to keep up with the Gta online community.

 

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If you think Rockstar is heavy on microtransactions, and pushing them onto you, try 5mins of Gems of War  they force that soooo hard, and it's expensive as hell...... 

 

No valid Argument. Someone being worse than you doenst justify your bad actions.

 

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If they put some of that milk money into the production of GTA VI, i couldn't care less. 

 

It costs money to make games like that, and them also making a ton of money on it, doesn't affect me. 

 

People choose to spend money. The game is fully playable without shark cards  

 

Ofc they cost a lot of money to develop. But at some point the customers really have the right to complain how the needed money is achieved. GTA 5 Online basically made microtransactions for full price games mainstream. Unforgivable. 

 

Seems like you love defending rockstar. They are not worth to be defended...

Edited July 9, 2022 by Alex_Gorbatschow

[Eraezr]

1 hour ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

I don't see how Rockstar is responsible for parents letting their kids, use their credit cards, and not keeping an eye on it?

 

 

Well sure. Except you specifically said, "I don't see how it benefits anyone?" & "I struggle to see any victims " Didn't think the rebuttal to those two points would be a goalpost shifting.

[TomataEighty9]

6 minutes ago, Alex_Gorbatschow said:

Seems like you love depending rockstar. They are not worth to be defended...

 

Not really. 

 

I defend ALL developers right to do as many microtransactions as they want. It's a free market  

 

It seems more like you love hating on Rockstar, more than i love their games ?

 

If people are SO fed up with MT, why don't they stop force feeding the evil developers money? 

1 minute ago, Eraezr said:

Well sure. Except you specifically said, "I don't see how it benefits anyone?" & "I struggle to see any victims " Didn't think the rebuttal to those two points would be a goalpost shifting.

 

The kids are not victims, they are thiefs. They abuse moms card  

 

And the parents are, at best, victims of their own negligence and laziness. Not keeping an eye on their kids, and giving their card infos to their kids.

[Eraezr]

34 minutes ago, GUDGER666 said:

 

 

I can see GTA6 been an absolute disaster and the end of Rockstar. 

 

I suspect this will be the first GTA to not be critical of the U.S government. You look at the major R* open worlds of modern times, like L.A Noire, RDR and GTA V - all have this familiar pattern.

GTA V was critical about the domestic terrorism and corruption of the FBI & CIA.

L.A Noire was critical of U.S for forcing Japan into WW2 on the country by freezing the nation's oil supply, which catalysed Pearl Harbour. As well as how legislative corruption was marrying Hollywood.

RDR is about how the government and its militia screws over the common people, exacerbated by the warning for how the government's militia would always change their agendas in order to justify their continual existence/funding. Papa McFarlene was telling John about this at the beginning of the game but I didn't realise the foreshadowing then

 

GTA4 itself was more critical on the fable of the American dream for immigrants. At the very least, Rockstar has been critical of the U.S in all these games.

3 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

The kids are not victims, they are thiefs. They abuse moms card  

 

 

Disagree. This betrays the not-knowing that modern games are carefully designed to exploit psychology, especially for those with MTXs. Children with their under-developed minds are subjugated to this psychological manipulation, at the full brunt from these corporations and their gluttonous profit leeching.

[TomataEighty9]

3 minutes ago, Eraezr said:

Disagree. This betrays the not-knowing that modern games are carefully designed to exploit psychology, especially for those with MTXs. Children with their under-developed minds are subjugated to this psychological manipulation, at the full brunt from these corporations and their gluttonous profit leeching.

 

I don't agree. Kids know things cost money. Kids are not as stupid as you try to make them sound like. 

 

It's true, they might not fully understand the full consequence of their actions, but they KNOW, they are not supposed to buy stuff on moms card  

 

My argument is still, that Rockstar are not to blame. 

 

Do you blame the cigarette company when grown people die from cancer (caused by smoking) ? 

 

Is lotteries, casinos, betting, etc the same problem? How about when people buy alcohol and end up on the street, cause their drinking ends up costing all their money, and they end up homeless? Are they responsible, the alcohol sellers? or is it the persons own responsibility?

 

I ask in all curiosity, as i find it exciting to know how other people feel, and a good debate is always nice  

[Eraezr]

3 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

Kids know things cost money. Kids are not as stupid as you try to make them sound like. 

 

It's true, they might not fully understand the full consequence of their actions, but they KNOW, they are not supposed to buy stuff on moms card  

 

 

 

OK then. Guess you're arguing with yourself there.

[TomataEighty9]

8 minutes ago, Eraezr said:

 

OK then. Guess you're arguing with yourself there.

 

No?

 

It's possible to know something is WRONG, without knowing the FULL CONSEQUENCE of the action. 

 

I don't see how that is not really easy to understand? 

 

If you tell a kid "You are not supposed to use moms credit card", the kid KNOWS it's not okay, but they might do it, since they don't understand the full CONSEQUENCE. 

 

But that's not entirely a kid thing. There's plenty grown people who can't fully understand the consequences of their actions. And then i ask, WHERE is the line? 

 

Where do we draw the line for personal responsibility?  

 

Can i just act retarded, and blame others? 

 

If im an alcoholic, and spend my rent money on alcohol, is it then MY fault i become homeless, or the shopkeeper who let me buy alcohol?  

 

GTA V is an 18+ game. Is it Rockstars fault YOUR kids play a game they are not supposed to, and spend YOUR money on YOUR creditcard? or is it YOUR responsibility to keep an eye on your kids?  

 

I could follow you if the game was rated 8+ years, and Rockstar scammed a casino inside the game. But kids are not even meant to play the game...... 

 

 

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FIFA is PEGI 3. I could fully understand your point if we were talking about FIFA. Like a 3 year old could understand MT.

 

But like i said, GTA is PEGI 18. So kids shouldn't even play it. Hence the argument is irrelevant. 

Edited July 9, 2022 by TomataEighty9

[Alex_Gorbatschow]

11 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

I ask in all curiosity, as i find it exciting to know how other people feel, and a good debate is always nice  

 

How about replying to my other Arguments then if you really like discussing?

[Eraezr]

6 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

No?

 

It's possible to know something is WRONG, without knowing the FULL CONSEQUENCE of the action. 

 

 

Because you pointed out the psychological fallacy of children in that comment.

 

Also, children don't need to be 'stupid' to fall for Rockstar's engineering. Game psychology is meant to exploit even average grown adults, how do you reckon children are supposed to fair against that? Once they're hooked in, they fall into a dopamine loop addiction that needs to be fed. It alters their cognitive development. It makes them victims.

 

There are even teenagers out there who are in therapy for MTX spending/MTX gambling addiction because the hooks that got onto them in their younger years.

 

There are different dimensions of intelligence. EQ - emotional quotient and IQ - intelligence quotient. A child may be bright for her/his age but neither faculties are fully developed against these games.

Edited July 9, 2022 by Eraezr

[TomataEighty9]

1 minute ago, Alex_Gorbatschow said:

 

How about replying to my other Arguments then if you really like discussing?

 

I don't see a point. The passive aggressive nature of this exact post, is reason enough to not go into a debate with you  

 

I sensed it already in your previous post. I guess i was right. I wish you a nice day though  

1 minute ago, Eraezr said:

how do you reckon children are supposed to fair against that?

 

They aren't supposed to. 

 

You, as a parent, should not let them play PEGI 18 games  So, we are back to the parents. 

6 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

GTA V is an 18+ game. Is it Rockstars fault YOUR kids play a game they are not supposed to, and spend YOUR money on YOUR creditcard? or is it YOUR responsibility to keep an eye on your kids?  

 

I could follow you if the game was rated 8+ years, and Rockstar scammed a casino inside the game. But kids are not even meant to play the game...... 

 

 

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FIFA is PEGI 3. I could fully understand your point if we were talking about FIFA. Like a 3 year old could understand MT.

 

But like i said, GTA is PEGI 18. So kids shouldn't even play it. Hence the argument is irrelevant. 

 

[KingGuy420]

1 hour ago, GUDGER666 said:

Did it ever even get any major updates? I kept waiting for some news that something good had been added to online but never happened

 

It had around 15 content updates with at least 6 or 7 being considered "major". That's way more than most games.

 

54 minutes ago, Alex_Gorbatschow said:

Grinding is something not everyone can afford to spend time on. Those Persons are more or less forced to buy them if they want to keep up with the Gta online community.

 

No offense, but that pretty much shows you don't know what you're talking about. Grinding is nothing now. I can run through Cayo Perico in like 45 minutes and have millions of dollars. If people can't "afford" that grind then why the hell are they playing video games to begin with lol.

 

I have about 100 hours into the game and have every dlc building, everything I need to enjoy them to their fullest, and a pretty sick collection of cars. That is NOT an excessive grind.

[YTPerfectParadox]

5 hours ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

I don't see how it benefits anyone? 

 

People who are spending the money on GTA Online, seem to like it. And Rockstar get money in, to put into new good games. And get a healthy profit. 

 

I struggle to see any victims  

 

 

 

Those of us that are only interested in the single player aspect of GTA are the victims of it. PS2 was the greatest time to be a GTA fan with 3, Vice City, San Andreas, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories all releasing on the same console. We started off PS3 pretty good with GTA 4 and the hefty expansion packs but then GTA 5 came out and Rockstar figured out they could just suck every last penny out of the kids through microtransactions instead of creating games so there was never any reason to make another GTA again. 

 

I would love nothing more than to see a generation of releases like the PS2 had again but sadly it just won't happen now that their business model revolves around microtransactions but if GTA 6 Online were to crash and burn they might at least have to release GTA 7 somewhere in the next 20 years.

[TomataEighty9]

Just now, YTPerfectParadox said:

 

Those of us that are only interested in the single player aspect of GTA are the victims of it. PS2 was the greatest time to be a GTA fan with 3, Vice City, San Andreas, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories all releasing on the same console. We started off PS3 pretty good with GTA 4 and the hefty expansion packs but then GTA 5 came out and Rockstar figured out they could just suck every last penny out of the kids through microtransactions instead of creating games so there was never any reason to make another GTA again. 

 

I would love nothing more than to see a generation of releases like the PS2 had again but sadly it just won't happen now that their business model revolves around microtransactions but if GTA 6 Online were to crash and burn they might at least have to release GTA 7 somewhere in the next 20 years.

 

It's a little over simplified. 

 

To be honest, ps3 era was way faster to develop for. And GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas, looks practically the same graphics wise. The time to develop such big games, is more than those old games. 

 

It's a trend to hate Rockstar and especially GTA Online. 

 

Take off the negative glasses, just a sec, and maybe it's not THAT bad. 

 

I would rather have a GTA game every 10 years, than every 3 years, if it means they keep getting bigger and better. Quality > Quantity. 

 

Look at Call of Duty. Same shitty gameplay. Hasn't changed that much since COD Moderne Warfare, back in 2007. Online is the same and graphics haven't had a huge bump. But they have yearly releases. I would call THAT a moneygrab. Selling a full retail game every year, that hasn't had a decent overhaul since 2007...

 

I guess we will never agree. But i'll bet you we will all play GTA VI, no matter how "evil" Rockstar are  

[totallycrushed]

Good topic, shit op.

[StewartBros]

5 hours ago, YTPerfectParadox said:

Is it wrong that i sincerely hope that GTA 6's online fails tremendously so they can't just milk the game for the next ten years?

 

No.

 

No, it is not.

[TomataEighty9]

2 minutes ago, totallycrushed said:

Good topic, shit op.

 

And with that very good content, im wishing you all a good day. Im not going to be debating this topic any more. It's pathetic that some people doesn't master the ability to disagree with someone, without resorting to personal attacks. Thanks for now. 

Edited July 9, 2022 by TomataEighty9

[KingGuy420]

25 minutes ago, YTPerfectParadox said:

now that their business model revolves around microtransactions but if GTA 6 Online were to crash and burn they might at least have to release GTA 7 somewhere in the next 20 years.

 

Rockstar has been using a 5 year dev cycle for a long time now. Even pre-microtransactions. I don't see that changing whether 6's microtransactions flop or not. 5 years is just what it takes to put out a Rockstar quality game. I'm sure they could shit out Cyberpunk's faster if that's what the world wanted but I sure as hell don't.

Edited July 9, 2022 by KingGuy420

[The Alchemist]

LOL not surprised by this news at all. IIRC the online for RDR2 went over a year at one point without a single update, and generally speaking received very minimal support overall since release. One of the top 10 biggest selling games of all time and they still shafted the user base by not fucking doing anything to improve the online experience for the people who were loyal enough to stick around. It didn't do GTA Online numbers so fuck them, right!? 

 

I can't believe people are still excited for GTA 6 when we've seen how Rockstar operate these past number of years. They literally don't give a shit about anything that isn't GTA Online. There is no reason why Rockstar with the resources they have couldn't keep RDR2 updated frequently. It's a piss-take, and clearly BS PR spin, and yet some people are eating it up. Even if (and this is a huge IF mind you given virtually everyone important to the series has long since left the company) the single player portion of GTA 6 turns out to be great, you just know online is going to be the main focus again. If the online takes off in the same way that it did for GTA V, which there isn't anything to suggest that it won't, we're just going to be back to square one again with Rockstar not focusing on anything else for the next decade plus. I just can't be excited for this game. Rockstar are a complete and total fucking joke of a company these days. 

[Desavenencia]

1 hour ago, Eraezr said:

 

Because you pointed out the psychological fallacy of children in that comment.

 

Also, children don't need to be 'stupid' to fall for Rockstar's engineering. Game psychology is meant to exploit even average grown adults, how do you reckon children are supposed to fair against that? Once they're hooked in, they fall into a dopamine loop addiction that needs to be fed. It alters their cognitive development. It makes them victims.

 

There are even teenagers out there who are in therapy for MTX spending/MTX gambling addiction because the hooks that got onto them in their younger years.

 

There are different dimensions of intelligence. EQ - emotional quotient and IQ - intelligence quotient. A child may be bright for her/his age but neither faculties are fully developed against these games.

One shouldn’t generalize with these topics… Not all children are “victims” of video games as you say, just as not all people who drink alcohol are alcoholics, nor are all people who enter a casino a compulsive gambler. Depending on the education that each person receives at home, a specific result is obtained.

 

There’re many people addicted to different drugs; such as tobacco, alcohol, sugar, coffee, etc. But that doesn’t make anyone a “victim” of any of those industries. As with video games, extreme sports, music, poker, movies, slot machines or any other activity that generates stimuli for the brain. Even the simple act of eating or sexual pleasure. All of the above mentioned generates a pleasant stimulus in the brain, which for some people can be addictive, but everyone should never be penalized for the mistake of a single individual.

 

We’re all free to do with our body what we want, as long as it doesn’t negatively affect third parties. What differentiates us from each other is the level of intelligence; both acquired from the environment and self-generated through experience and learning. Emotional intelligence is included and is decisive in both directions.

 

I totally agree with @TomataEighty9, by the way.

[Eraezr]

Just now, Desavenencia said:

One shouldn’t generalize with these topics… Not all children are “victims” of video games as you say

 

Except...that's not what I said. I said they are victims to predatory MTXs.

 

One should not insert words into another's mouth.

[TheRetroManiac]

People celebrating this basically just want them to milk GTA forever and forever and not make any more games you have to look at it from all angles this is terrible they're putting all their eggs in one basket and again, and we keep allowing it by enabling it and buying their shit all the time now wonder they don't want to make new games $900 million a year on GTA online no need make new games.

[KingGuy420]

18 minutes ago, The Alchemist said:

IIRC the online for RDR2 went over a year at one point without a single update, and generally speaking received very minimal support overall since release. One of the top 10 biggest selling games of all time and they still shafted the user base by not fucking doing anything to improve the online experience for the people who were loyal enough to stick around

 

I mean, it had like 15 content updates over 3 years. That's less than GTAV, sure, but way higher than the industry average of 4 pieces of content over a year then dead lol.

 

I don't know how much more people were expecting, for a multiplayer that was technically a flop even at launch.

Edited July 9, 2022 by KingGuy420

[YTPerfectParadox]

45 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

It's a little over simplified. 

 

To be honest, ps3 era was way faster to develop for. And GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas, looks practically the same graphics wise. The time to develop such big games, is more than those old games. 

 

It's a trend to hate Rockstar and especially GTA Online. 

 

Take off the negative glasses, just a sec, and maybe it's not THAT bad. 

 

I would rather have a GTA game every 10 years, than every 3 years, if it means they keep getting bigger and better. Quality > Quantity. 

 

Look at Call of Duty. Same shitty gameplay. Hasn't changed that much since COD Moderne Warfare, back in 2007. Online is the same and graphics haven't had a huge bump. But they have yearly releases. I would call THAT a moneygrab. Selling a full retail game every year, that hasn't had a decent overhaul since 2007...

 

I guess we will never agree. But i'll bet you we will all play GTA VI, no matter how "evil" Rockstar are  

Everything you just said hinges on one very wrong concept though. You are stating that you want quality over quantity and that more frequent releases would not be good and reduce it to COD levels of lack of improvement but two of the first titles out of the majority of people's mouths (San Andreas/Vice City) when asked about their favourite GTA were released just 2 years apart from each other and they were just two of six titles released in that console generation. I don't know if you were around for that generation but i can tell you none of us were underwhelmed by the amount of innovation and improvements implemented by the two back then either.

 

I get your point, i wouldn't want them to rush out titles for the sake of rushing them out either i would much prefer them take their time to create an enjoyable game, and yes development takes longer than it did back then. But the point your missing is that they are perfectly capable of creating spectacular games at a far faster rate than once a decade without compromising quality, they just need to devote the resources to it, and while GTA Online makes them far more for far less effort they simply never will consolidate their resources towards a single player goal which is why people like me would gladly see GTA Online become a failure.

 

It's not about it being cool to hate Rockstar i don't think anyone hates them this isn't some anti-fortnite style bandwagon to jump on. I think i speak for most others when i say that we love their work which is where the frustration comes from because they aren't producing enough and we miss the days when they were actually devoting those resources to up the quality of their games and fly to new heights as you say you want instead of just sitting around producing an everlasting stream of microtransactional content.

[Desavenencia]

35 minutes ago, Eraezr said:

 

Except...that's not what I said. I said they are victims to predatory MTXs.

 

One should not insert words into another's mouth.

Then change “video games” to “predatory MTXs” and voila. Within the context of conversation it is exactly the same. You need to improve your reading comprehension.

 

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Have a nice weekend.