AJ_Radio Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, xBlackEye said: Online games that are already offline. For example, PlayStation Home. You can't get those trophies anymore either, wouldn't it be the same scenario? Let them die. They're in the past. They served their part, and if I'm not mistaken PlayStation Home was released a couple years after the PlayStation 3 launch. It closed down in March 2015. Six years is a pretty generous timeframe for online servers. A trophy profile should be a mark of what you could and couldn't accomplish, and dead online servers are no exception. 11 hours ago, Ghost-Zeus514 said: Until I see any other news source claiming this, that isn't using Dex as a source, I wouldn't trust it. Dude's a piece of shit I wouldn't believe anything from this guy. He's been a massive pain in the trophy community. He's harassed many people, lies and makes alt accounts to starts drama, tries to control people for boosting sessions and steal them from other sites, stalked my discord and friends trying to start crap with me, tries to dox people. He was banned from psnprofiles.com as well. Seems like all his previous behavior was hidden or just not heard about but he's a disgusting individual and stain on the trophy community. If this is the only report about the shovel ware thing it's definitely not factual. Copy pasted from the other thread, personally, I also had an experience with him, joined his server some time ago, wasn't using it so decided to leave, then friend recommended it, because they were boosting Overwatch there, saw that it's Dex server, left, and later that day, that friend told me that Dex apparently said to ppl that I was banned for spamming porn and racism (despite never making a single message there). So don't celebrate too early. I only heard of him a couple times, though I never ventured to Discord much except for my own boosting sessions. He's claiming that the PSNP, PST.org, N*de and PS5Trophies communities have all harassed him in the past year. Likely that was intentional. Just saw a Tweet of his where he's claiming he's being threatened. 10 hours ago, KenjiCBZ said: Pretty much every person in this thread against this has their entire profiles full of shit, why am I not surprised. They need their upvotes and their sarcasm to keep the gravy train rolling. Edited November 23, 2022 by AJ_Radio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBlackEye Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, AJ_Radio said: Let them die. They're in the past. They served their part, and if I'm not mistaken PlayStation Home was released a couple years after the PlayStation 3 launch. It closed down in March 2015. Six years is a pretty generous timeframe for online servers. PSHome Trophies added in 2014, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trancexistence Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 These "games" (if they can even be classed as that) are predatory and designed to take advantage of people with an addiction so this is very pleasing to see. Leaderboard chasers no longer need to feel like they "have to" buy them and people with no interest/or are fed up of the store being flooded with jumping hamsters etc can browse titles more efficiently. Excellent news all round, although a little late as others have said. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darling Baphomet Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, AlphaLiquid-X said: I can agree with the sentiment that having a Platinum on a game that can be completed without even beating the game can be an issue. What I'm concerned about are games that don't fit the traditional mold being unfairly labeled as bad by the community because they aren't suitable for a "normal" trophy list. For example, the "My Name Is Mayo" series gets unfairly labeled as shovelware, but the series is specifically designed as one big running gag. But because of the way the game itself is designed the trophy list really couldn't be done any other way than it is now. At best I would say it's self-aware shovelware; even if you do something purely 'ironically' (in the modern usage which has nothing to do with irony) you are still doing it. E.g. an ironic shitty fanfic is still shitty fanfic. 2 hours ago, AlphaLiquid-X said: And where do you draw the line? Should a visual novel like "Steins;Gate" or "428: Shibuya Scramble" be considered bad because players can just skip through all the dialogue and still get all the trophies? What about games by Telltale, where most of their games only required you to complete every chapter? Heck, what about Mosaic? It's trophy list basically boils down to pressing "X" to collect blips. Now, I'm not saying that there's *not* trophy spam. Stuff like "Stroke" games are definitely a problem. Same for games that have fifty different regions and autopop. But we need to make sure that we don't get those confused with games by Indie devs or that look to provide an experience that's different from the norm, because otherwise people risk missing out on interesting experiences. Again, it's not the games themselves that are bad, but rather their trophy lists are problematic. There's nothing wrong with finding Ratalaika games you enjoy and playing them. The problematic element is that they're easily exploitable and thus can be turned into worthless platinum farms. Your trophy list is not inherently worse for having visual novels on it, but if you're churning out stacks of visual novels in languages you probably do not speak, you might be a bit scummy as a trophy hunter. 1 hour ago, AlphaLiquid-X said: I've already seen that thread, and it's just as stupid now as it was when it was posted. A list isn't bad just because it doesn't force you to play through on every difficulty or the hardest difficulty, or because it doesn't make you hunt down 2,400 fucking tchotchkes (*Cough* Spider-Man: Web of Shadows *Cough*). A trophy list shouldn't be busywork or force you to strip a game down to it bones like a ravenous piranha. I mean, the original point of achievements was to measure achievement in game. So the fact that the game demands barely anything from you compared to previous games does mean that its achievements are not very good at... y'know, measuring achievement. At this point trophies have become something gamers feel entitled to, but the fact of the matter is that you don't need to earn every trophy in a game. A lot of gamers on this site have this mentality I find bizarre of needing to 100% every game they start, no matter how much they hate it, but that is purely their problem. I don't believe that just because some people won't be willing to play a game on hard means there should be no reward for people who are willing to take up the challenge. ... With that said, this is an almost entirely irrelevant discussion, because even if Rift Apart was as hard as its predecessor, it would still be massively easier than what you're describing. I, and many other gamers, did not want Rift Apart to ask you to spend 100 hours grinding enemy kills or whatever else, we just wanted the trophy list to actually reward you for 100%ing the game. As it stands, it sits on my list in a similar position to Undertale - a game I enjoyed, but whose trophy list I can't be fully proud of because it does not come close to representing my attachment to the game. I would rather grind a bit more than I'd like than have a platinum that amounts to a participation trophy in a game I 100%ed. It's like receiving a third place prize for coming in first. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, AJ_Radio said: Let them die. They're in the past. this could be said about everything you've ever ranted about, you know. It's in the past. Let it die. But LOL at someone sayin these games were targeting addicts. That is exactly what a trophy hunter is... some just spend differently Edited November 23, 2022 by Infected Elite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 21 hours ago, James Tiger said: We did have Leaderboard for profiles under 50% average rarity, but it's ages since its last update. 21 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: I don't think the real intention of that thread was ever to actually keep the "leaderboard" updated - that would be a mountain of work and a never-ending task. I suspect it was really just a slightly more creative way to have a rarity-fart-party that could skirt under the Mods radar for a bit I think the main problem is this will create an even bigger rift than we already have. I'm currently rank 7370 overall, which is still fairly high all things considered, but there are at least three out of four people around my leaderboard rank with tons of shovelware. And it's all stuff that has released in the past year or two. Ratalaika, as much as I bashed them in the recent past, at least offered you some actual games, they just weren't reflected in the trophy lists since you only had to complete 10 - 20 percent in terms of progress. Someone suggested a rarity leaderboard a few years back but it got shot down pretty quickly. It's why I think suggesting most of anything on this website is utterly pointless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post You Posted November 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Infected Elite said: this could be said about everything you've ever ranted about, you know. It's in the past. Let it die. But LOL at someone sayin these games were targeting addicts. That is exactly what a trophy hunter is... some just spend differently Yeah, but where's the "hunting" in a game that costs less than a dollar, takes less than a minute and why do it eight times in the same hour? There's spending time differently, and then there's spending time differently, and there's no getting away from the fact addicts do this. Even a toddler could accidentally get platinum on Stroke The Bump Xump Sausage if you left the controller in front of them for long enough. Like I've seen Sakura Succubus trophy lists, 8 stacks in a row, under 2 minutes, not even a single stack had something like 30-60 minutes actually playing the game. The evidence of the "not playing the game and just getting the trophies" is evident in the time stamps. At worst stack it 7 times and play it at least once? Nope, bought the game 8 times, didn't play the game 8 times. I guess it's time to get out that meme again. Edited November 23, 2022 by enaysoft 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt the Dog Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, xBlackEye said: Online games that are already offline. For example, PlayStation Home. You can't get those trophies anymore either, wouldn't it be the same scenario? Not particularly, no. What would make a theoretical delisting of every asset flip spam game notable is the sheer scale of it for a category of "game" that is all but necessary to play to get anywhere notable on the leaderboard. The loss of access to 2000+ trophy lists of this sort all at once would be catastrophic to anyone looking to actually climb the leaderboards who hasn't already gotten the games beforehand in a way that can't really be compared to the loss of access to the occasional game every few months or so from server shutdowns or even something like the GameSpy shutdown of 2014 which impacted several PS3 games, especially considering most of those games aren't anywhere near vital to the current metagame of the leaderboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z1MZUM Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I think the best thing to do is keep the games in the store and remove trophies tied to them all together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, enaysoft said: Yeah, but where's the "hunting" in a game that costs less than a dollar, takes less than a minute and why do it eight times in the same hour? was a general statement lol but if it took an hour to do 8, 1 minute games, i wanna know why they didn't plat at least 50 more games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlippingJimy Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, enaysoft said: Can you imagine if Sony delist all the shite released so far as well... The meltdown on this site is going to immense, people who bought the games, people who can no longer buy the games, people who wanted too but now can't. People who want those games to have their points set to zero in the leaderboards. It's gonna wild! I think it should be all or nothing, keep the shit flowing in like now at full speed, or complete remove all of these games from the store, delist the lot! If I have to put up with, and be happy with all the delistings of games on PS3, like Konami's scrolling beat-em-ups. Out Run, After Butners, Scott Pilgrim VS The World and all the hundreds of games that have had their servers shut over the years. Yeah, if we have to put up with legit games vanishing from the store, we should absolutely have these games delisted, all of them. Which of course, I think could quite possibly be the end of this website, or at least certainly the leaderboard aspect. The unfair advantage of everyone buying all this shit up till this point and had a head start, would be immense. Bring it on I say trophy Armageddon to the trophy spammers or trophy revolution to everyone else. If I lose a few plats to a few easy games Ive done, for the greater good I'm all for it. Stuff it, lets blow it up pretty please Sony and see where the chips fall. Edited November 23, 2022 by SlipingJimmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJeff87 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Please please please let this be true and Sony will follow through on this Look I love an easy plat too but it was getting ridiculous when you'd have the store flooded with reskins of (insert animal) jump, (insert food) turbo, those awful Breakthrough games, stroke the animal, the visual novels, etc etc the list goes on and on It was getting to the point where you were literally buying a platinum trophy and not the game itself I'm glad Sony is finally listening 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, SlipingJimmy said: Bring it on I say trophy Armageddon to the trophy spammers or trophy revolution to everyone else. If I lose a few plats to a few easy games Ive done, for the greater good I'm all for it. Stuff it, lets blow it up pretty please Sony and see where the chips fall. Haha, the trophy Armgaeddon, that's an amusing name. In a "beloved franchise" that started 6 months ago, this year alone. So far :- https://psnprofiles.com/search/games?q=The AND Jumping 318 Results it is hard to believe that out of the 2500 98% platinum games, almost a sixth of them are just this franchise alone. "It's only a dollar" they said. The brazenness of this developer, in a way it's kind of admirable and insane at the same time. WTF is a Churros or Quesadilla anyway?! lol Did the ideas for "food that could be bounced" pool dry up that quickly? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Platinum_Vice Posted November 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2022 Jesus... so many subplots to keep track of in this thread. So many rivalries and egos. You guys are my favourite TV series. 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlippingJimy Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Platinum_Vice said: Jesus... so many subplots to keep track of in this thread. So many rivalries and egos. You guys are my favourite TV series. Yeah I know who needs fifa world cup, Netflix or pay per view when you have this first world problem happening. So much at play here if Sony plays hard ball and just gets rid of it all, trophies, games and publishers. They will earn top honours if they pull no punches.. Edited November 23, 2022 by SlipingJimmy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) According to this news, I wonder what games got removed already? Likely just a click bait article, but the rumour seems to be becoming more legit as time passes https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/ps4-ps5-playstation-sony-store-games-banned-removed/ Also check it out! https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/search/stroke A ton of the "The Stroke" series went on sale, developer panicking and trying to make a quick buck before all the games are removed? lol Edited November 23, 2022 by enaysoft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Vice Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SlipingJimmy said: Yeah I know who needs fifa world cup, Netflix or pay per view when you have this first world problem happening. So much at play here if Sony plays hard ball and just gets rid of it all, trophies, games and publishers. They will earn top honours if they pull no punches.. Assuming that the source is genuine, Sony is just telling developers to change tactics: minimise stacking and spamming, push out the product and then update it with monetisation options (MTX/DLC). Sony is not addressing any problem except for the VOLUME/QUANTITY/AMOUNT of these products, not their intent on selling trophies nor their lack of gameplay. No one seems to have noticed this. This is barely going to effect any change at all. Edited November 23, 2022 by Platinum_Vice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post You Posted November 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, SlipingJimmy said: Yeah I know who needs fifa world cup, Netflix or pay per view when you have this first world problem happening. So much at play here if Sony plays hard ball and just gets rid of it all, trophies, games and publishers. They will earn top honours if they pull no punches.. Speaking of world cup, Football! way better than Egghand! Ba dum disch 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, enaysoft said: https://psnprofiles.com/search/games?q=The AND Jumping 318 Results jesus fuckin christ 318. Rata devs lookin like gold in comparison. How many rata games are there i wonder? 24 minutes ago, enaysoft said: WTF is a Churros or Quesadilla anyway?! lol Churros and Quesadillas I'd hope you were joking, but if not, you live in japan? should be close alternatives 24 minutes ago, enaysoft said: Did the ideas for "food that could be bounced" pool dry up that quickly? yes. Though i feel they missed on the jumping bean. i feel like that was a book or something Also id LOVE to see them move to Xbox ? Spam their stores. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megacoolermensch Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, enaysoft said: WTF is a Churros or Quesadilla anyway?! lol Did the ideas for "food that could be bounced" pool dry up that quickly? i actually tried churros because of this game lol... wasn't so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlippingJimy Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Platinum_Vice said: Assuming that the source is genuine, Sony is just telling developers to change tactics: minimise stacking and spamming, push out the product and then update it with monetisation options (MTX/DLC). Sony is not addressing any problem except for the VOLUME/QUANTITY/AMOUNT of these products, not their intent on selling trophies nor their lack of gameplay. No one seems to have noticed this. This is barely going to affect any change at all. Yeah I know I'm a realist, the end result will be a compromise. Spam Game Devs will adapt and skirt closely around their new policies. But at least it's win and glad Sony is doing something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 This thread and all the food talk made me extra hungry. ffs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlippingJimy Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, enaysoft said: According to this news, I wonder what games got removed already? Likely just a click bait article, but the rumour seems to be becoming more legit as time passes https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/ps4-ps5-playstation-sony-store-games-banned-removed/ Also check it out! https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/search/stroke A ton of the "The Stroke" series went on sale, developer panicking and trying to make a quick buck before all the games are removed? lol Lol this is some confirmation maybe something is happening. have the stroke games been on sale before? Maybe check ps prices for sale history. Edited November 23, 2022 by SlipingJimmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAchievements Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, enaysoft said: According to this news, I wonder what games got removed already? Likely just a click bait article, but the rumour seems to be becoming more legit as time passes https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/ps4-ps5-playstation-sony-store-games-banned-removed/ Also check it out! https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/search/stroke A ton of the "The Stroke" series went on sale, developer panicking and trying to make a quick buck before all the games are removed? lol You should fact check. Stroke games were on sale long before any kind of update and you need a lot of notice to go on sale. They were always gonna be on sale. Edited November 23, 2022 by GAchievements 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, GAchievements said: You should fact check. Stroke games were on sale long before the announcement and you need a lot of notice to go on sale. They were always gonna be on sale. I should yeah, but that would have taken longer to get platinum on one of these games. Besides, I already feel enough shame as it is spending time doing a search for these games. 55 minutes ago, Infected Elite said: I'd hope you were joking, but if not, you live in japan? should be close alternatives Me mate, I only know how fish and chips, and sushi. lol I ate a burrito for the first time a few years ago, I had never eaten one before in my life. Anyway, so Churros are basically a finger shaped donut dipped in chocolate, and Quesadillas, that is basically a Jenga Pizza? BTW, do you know what a Yorkshire pudding is? Edited November 23, 2022 by enaysoft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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