Microsoft declares war on Sony

[Rozalia1]

 

7/11 are from Washington which Microsoft is based in and if this is any indication owns.

 

I know I know, the title might annoy some people but it does get across the level of seriousness in the attacks that Microsoft is doing towards Sony with this. They're having these representatives they've donated to a whole lot pushing for America to trade war Sony, and while hopefully that shouldn't succeed it's incredibly aggressive to do something like this. When it comes to the "console wars" I don't think it has ever been this serious, and it's coming from if you believe Microsoft's PR, "good guy Microsoft". I can't imagine what level of depravity we'd see if this is the nice side of Microsoft.

 

This development seems to be why a few weeks ago they did their session of racebaiting, all to prepare the ground. The argument that Microsoft's massive failure in Japan is due to Sony is obviously laughable, but as has been the case with Microsoft since this began they go even further beyond. You see, western games in general don't exactly do the best in Japan even if they're on PlayStation or even the Switch. Who is to blame? Obviously Sony. Yes, Sony who makes money on such games sold (if on their platform) is behind western games not being as popular as Microsoft believes they should be. It ain't that western games largely don't appeal at all to Japanese gamers, no, it's all some big plot by Sony. I suppose them closing Japanese studios while expanding western studios is just a crafty smokescreen so people don't find them out.

 

Then you have the deals that Sony cuts with Japanese companies. As Microsoft is non-existent in Japan they are putting forward that Sony should not be allowed to cut any such deals with Japanese developers. Nintendo, who also cuts such deals, and has way more market share of the Japanese market? No issue. Incredible. I always knew that Microsoft hated Sony ever since Sony fought off their efforts to take Sony out of gaming (which to Microsoft is a humiliation), but they've never been this open with the attacks. They've been openly smearing Sony and are openly bringing in their political agents to try and hurt Sony, and only Sony as Nintendo they aren't touching at all. Naturally if you listen to the Microsoft PR machine it ain't Microsoft that is campaigning against Sony, it is instead Sony who is carrying out a campaign against Xbox. That tried and true American as apple pie tactic of accusing others of what you are yourself are guilty of. Sony, who outside the early on comment that Spencer was lying when he was saying the meeting with Sony went great and they've offered them the best deal ever, has only responded to stuff in documents and not said anything publicly.

[JPtheNeurotic]

Haha wtf this is so dumb .

 

Like , there’s so many ways I can look at the situation and just find the irony in how dumb it is but even Japan isn’t super into ps5.

 

It’s a Nintendo and mobile market .

[Rozalia1]

12 minutes ago, JPtheNeurotic said:

Haha wtf this is so dumb .

 

Like , there’s so many ways I can look at the situation and just find the irony in how dumb it is but even Japan isn’t super into ps5.

 

It’s a Nintendo and mobile market .

 

Yeah, completely ridiculous stuff. Its why I titled the thread as I did which perhaps the moderators won't be a fan of, but I can't see as anything but this. This is nakedly targeted against Sony and only gives credibility to the claims that Microsoft's moves be it with Gamepass or Activision are all an attempt to take out Sony. They certainly are going very hard against a company they stated publicly (internally revealed it to be a lie) wasn't even competition to them as they're actually now competing with the real big boys which are Apple/Google/Amazon.

 

It also has to be said. How can anyone trust Microsoft's claims that they won't pull new CoDs off PlayStation after whatever contracted period (or even before, what is a fine to Microsoft afterall) if they are this against Sony?

Edited March 28, 2023 by Rozalia1

[NxtDoc]

One of the senators that brought this to everyone's attention was bought by Microsoft too.  

 

https://twitter.com/TWTHEREDDRAGON/status/1639075828574175236?s=20

 

 

[Helyx]

Even if Sony was somehow completely barred from doing business in the States, I'd never support Xbox.

[Rozalia1]

13 minutes ago, NxtDoc said:

One of the senators that brought this to everyone's attention was bought by Microsoft too.  

 

https://twitter.com/TWTHEREDDRAGON/status/1639075828574175236?s=20

 

It is likely all 11 of these people doing this are heavily funded by Microsoft. It explains why 7/11 are from the same state which Microsoft is based in as those are always their first targets for handing out money. Microsoft is well known at this point to do this sort of lobbying and paying cash for influence. Not just in America either as they've been caught and forced to pay fines (not that they care, people hardly even know of it either) for bribing people.

 

To get an image of how strong Microsoft is on this. The rest of the big tech of America, extremely rich and powerful companies themselves, hate Microsoft for successfully getting heat on them and none on Microsoft itself. There have been anti-big tech bills which have gotten rewritten in certain ways to exclude them from hurting Microsoft and only Microsoft, and that doesn't just happen out of nothing. The only positive in all this is that Microsoft's recent behaviour with the FTC has exposed them for what they are with the regulator, the only problem is the odds are very good that the current FTC (who have been getting smeared big time for trying to stop companies doing whatever they want) gets replaced in a few years and it'll be by a new FTC which will be completely in Microsoft's pocket.

 

Just now, Helyx said:

Even if Sony was somehow completely barred from doing business in the States, I'd never support Xbox.

 

Microsoft have never appealed to me as I've always been more into Japanese games, but even if that were to change I'm at that point also. What they're doing is very ugly and I'd never reward them for it.

[TrophyChief]

Chill the fuck out. The whole industry needs a time out.

[Helyx]

Just now, Rozalia1 said:

Microsoft have never appealed to me

 

I've owned Xbox, 360 and XB1 but never really put much time into them since Nintendo and Sony always had better games.

[StewartBros]

Have never had any interest in owning an Xbox, and this will apply even more so if this scenario comes to pass.

[PaintP]

> Efforts

 

Nice joke

[x7251]

Most Japanese gamers are loyal to Sony and Nintendo. They will never support Microsoft consoles more than Sony and Nintendo consoles.

Edited March 28, 2023 by x7251

[Rias Gremory]

Sony has pretty much scrutinize Microsoft for a very long time now. What I mean is that Sony has sold well enough consoles out on the market such as PS2 with PS backwards compatibility, PS4 and now PS5 with PS4 backwards compatibility and highlighted games such as Marvel's Spiderman PS4, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne and more. As for Japanese games I really do love em and fun to play depending on what it is. Even though Sony isn't the perfect bunch in the industry but I still support em. As for Microsoft, I don't give a fuck and I don't support them at all.

[You]

> In Japan

 

LOL. Why is this going to court for something that happened in another country?

 

Word of advice, don't name your product X -Box.

 

In Japan X is used as the answer to no, or dame (dah-meh) It doesn't have a favourable interpretation that's for sure.

Japanese people tend to stick too or favour Japanese made products anyway, but a product made overseas and literally can be read as Batsu Bokkusu "No good Box" won't do you any favours.

 

Besides, isn't this like, the 3rd release of X-Box in Japan. If you're gonna sue why not do it almost a decade ago? Consider how many Sony are behind Nintendo since the Switch's release, surely Microsoft should be suing Nintendo?

Edited March 28, 2023 by enaysoft

[Fiercethetear]

Console wars are back on I am here for it ?

[tomadom64]

We desperately needed another "Nintendo VS. SEGA" level Console War.

 

Imagine if this situation somehow manages to screw over the entire Activision merger? That would be incredibly poetic.

[Slava]

It's like a never-ending circus show.

[Zephrese]

I'm losing my fucking mind from how people are still defending Microsoft considering how blatantly horrible this company has been behaving lately and what they've been doing.

 

Some people shouldn't be allowed on the web, holy shit. lmao

[Jeanolt]

When your studios try to counter God of War with the ants game after spending 100B just last summer

Edited March 28, 2023 by Jeanoltt

[MidnightDragon]

So ridiculous. One good thing is the US government is extremely inefficient and not good at getting anything done, so I don't really think much is going to come from this. 

[LzyIndGmr]

I think this shows how much money even the politicians see now in the gaming business. Considering it's becoming mainstream. People are jumping on the bandwagon and see dollars in their eyes!

[Lion_Squid]

I seriously doubt anything will actually come of this, 11 Congress members is nothing.

[Breakingthegreen]

20 minutes ago, Zephrese said:

I'm losing my fucking mind from how people are still defending Microsoft considering how blatantly horrible this company has been behaving lately and what they've been doing.

 

Some people shouldn't be allowed on the web, holy shit. lmao

The thing is that Phil Spencer, and Xbox by proxy, are very good are saying the right things even if (in my opinion) it's mostly buying studios or gamepass rights, rather than publishing games. Xbox also have announced a lot of games like Fable, Outer Worlds 2, and a Kojima game, people have gotten hyped for them, but there's little sign of them releasing, no gameplay or release window. It's pure audience pleasers without actually showing anything. 

Nower days Jim Ryan and playstation is the opposite, speaking only when it feels that it should, and only announcing games when they are at most 2 years away.

 

It's like the difference Trump and Biden, Talk a lot to your home base vs Barely talk at all.

[MidnightDragon]

3 minutes ago, Lion_Squid said:

I seriously doubt anything will actually come of this, 11 Congress members is nothing.

Yea, there's over 500 total...and most of them have better (?) things to do.   And again, the government is very inefficient and incompetent, so it'd take a miracle for something serious to come of this.

Edited March 28, 2023 by MidnightDragon

[oswald41]

1 hour ago, Helyx said:

 

I've owned Xbox, 360 and XB1 but never really put much time into them since Nintendo and Sony always had better games.

Same here the only reason I even bought the Xbox was because of the forza horizon games those I think are the best racing games but once I finished them I sold the xbox

[Rozalia1]

37 minutes ago, Zephrese said:

I'm losing my fucking mind from how people are still defending Microsoft considering how blatantly horrible this company has been behaving lately and what they've been doing.

 

Some people shouldn't be allowed on the web, holy shit. lmao

 

Microsoft has an effective PR machine that gets much of the gaming media on side (as we've seen, those who step out of line will get quickly attacked by Microsoft supporters), with the really heavy Xbox focused ones being suspected of straight up being paid shills. They also promote the console war like nobody else (up till now only through their proxies in the media/community) and to sweeten the pot you have their ambassador/reward programs and this cultivated Gamepass zealotry which thus far has been Microsoft subsidising these people's gaming. To these people Microsoft has been good to them, Spencer himself being a living saint.

 

There is a saying that goes somewhere along the lines of "number 2 hates on number 1, while number 1 ignores number 2". Most of the more hardcore gamers on PlayStation for a long time now (10 years?) have not really had to focus all that much on Microsoft. They're "on top" (Nintendo never factors in) significantly enough and Microsoft wasn't changing that so no need to get fussed about anything. Gamepass made a lot of people raise eyebrows as they suspected Microsoft being up to no good, but that has been the only thing to really cause an uptick in hate towards Xbox (until the Activation deal and now this nonsense). Meanwhile for Xbox hardcore gamers these last 10 years hating on Sony has been basically been their culture. What Microsoft has been doing is what they have dreamt about Microsoft doing against Sony, so they'll very enthusiastically support and defend it.

 

59 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

> In Japan

 

LOL. Why is this going to court for something that happened in another country?

 

Word of advice, don't name your product X -Box.

 

In Japan X is used as the answer to no, or dame (dah-meh) It doesn't have a favourable interpretation that's for sure.

Japanese people tend to stick too or favour Japanese made products anyway, but a product made overseas and literally can be read as Batsu Bokkusu "No good Box" won't do you any favours.

 

Besides, isn't this like, the 3rd release of X-Box in Japan. If you're gonna sue why not do it almost a decade ago? Consider how many Sony are behind Nintendo since the Switch's release, surely Microsoft should be suing Nintendo?

 

Very good explanation, I recall seeing something about that before. I'll give the post a like when I am once again able to. 

 

As you said, the very first thing they should have done was localise the name to something else but Microsoft simply has never cared about Japan. They bought a whole bunch of exclusives off Japanese developers at the start and when that didn't cause them to instantly rocket to being a strong competitor in the market they just wrote it off as pointless. As @PaintP put simply, Microsoft's "efforts" there are a joke, and to try and use that in their favour against Sony is an even bigger one.

 

6 minutes ago, Lion_Squid said:

I seriously doubt anything will actually come of this, 11 Congress members is nothing.

 

You're not wrong... and yet Microsoft is still doing this. That in itself is telling of a number of things.

 

5 minutes ago, breakingthegreen said:

The thing is that Phil Spencer, and Xbox by proxy, are very good are saying the right things even if (in my opinion) it's mostly buying studios or gamepass rights, rather than publishing games. Xbox also have announced a lot of games like Fable, Outer Worlds 2, and a Kojima game, people have gotten hyped for them, but there's little sign of them releasing, no gameplay or release window. It's pure audience pleasers without actually showing anything. 

Nower days Jim Ryan and playstation is the opposite, speaking only when it feels that it should, and only announcing games when they are at most 2 years away.

 

It's like the difference Trump and Biden, Talk a lot to your home base vs Barely talk at all.

 

Sony's lack of public talking might have to change considering how hard Microsoft is openly gunning for them... but its tough. The moment they start, Microsoft's PR machine will go into overdrive to position Sony as the aggressive party and I don't trust the gaming media to do their jobs and go against that.