KenjiCBZ

This game is unfair

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Hello.

 

I don't want to look like the classic mad guy who can't beat a videogame and so rants about it, I only want to share my experience with that game and know what you think about that.

 

Basically, the feeling I have is that game is 90% based on luck, luck, luck and nothing more than luck. With that, I mean that your result in a race consist on the power ups you receive, how the AI behaves, or a combination of both. I say that because, as a huge time trial lover (Not only in this game, but also in others, such as Crash Bandicoot), I have mostly been able to beat the Time Trials of this game in few attempts, and I believe the times were somehow challenging. Failing a time trial, than looking for shortcuts, mastering the race, and then beating the trial after practicing it just feels amazing to me, you feel like you got a huge accomplishment. That's how a whole videogame should be, for me.

 

Then, I would jump into a standard race that takes place in the same race where I just got in few attempts a good time in time trial, and would waste hours, achieving like fourth or fifth place despite driving exactly how I did in time trials. And why don't I win? Because I don't get the right powerups, and/or because the stupid AI keeps getting in my way and killing me. In a lot of occasions, I was leading the race as 1st, and just meters before the end of the race, someone would just rape me from behind, killing me in one shot, and there was nothing I could do despite witnessing my well driven race be erased by that: stupid AI and RNG. Without counting in some occasions when you could see  pathetic rubber banding: I remember some days ago, I was leading and I took a turbo right before the end of the race, but an opponent passed me by despite not taking the turbo, and surpassed me like 0.5 seconds before the end of the race. You have no idea how I felt.

 

Probably, racing games are not for me: one year ago I played Steep (A winter sport game), which is a really hard game with tough challenges, but I loved it, because everytime I failed a challenge, I would feel motivated to try again, and to keep it up until I was able to beat that challenge. I don't remember to ever feeling pissed about failing a challenge in Steep: instead, everytime I fail a race here in Wipeout (Besides time trials) I just feel like if I am wasting my time, and that the game is making fun of me. I feel like the game is completely unfair.

 

For now, I'll take a long break from that game, I prefer playing something else instead of wasting my time there. Let me know your thoughts, maybe I am exhaggerating, I'd like to know if someone experienced something similar with this game.

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This game is hard to master, you need to practice a lot ... and i don't think that comparing it to Crash Bandicoot is a good thing.

Crash is more a game for kid (if i can say it .. don't want to be rude here ! I like Crash games ! ^^)

 

Wipeout is more elitist, you really need some skill to be good at it and being able to platinum it !

 

And you don't talk about it, but are you doing barell rolls ? THIS is one of the most important thing in this game !

You need to master it to be able to win races ^^

 

And about weapons, you need to keep it and throw it at the best time, and not just use it directly when you have one .. it's not Mario Kart :)

 

If you take a break from it, and come back to it in a year ... you will probably lose all the skill you already achieved and will have to restart from scratch !

Practice is the key here ! Watch some videos to give you example on how to do well in races, where you can do barell rolls to have those extra turbo, and you should have better results fast ^^

 

Good luck man :)

 

PS : I barely played the Omega Collection (i need to start it ... huge backlog and not enough time XD), but I did 100% on both wipeout on PS3 / Vita  ;)

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Of course I Barrel Roll, without them beating certain time trials is impossible, I guess. I'm not a WipEout pro player but I am skilled enough to beat hard time trials, for me it's ridiculous that despite that I keep losing standard races because, basically, I am not lucky. I even beat Zico in 2048 (Haven't tried yet in HD).

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I thought they toned the difficulty down a lot in the Omega collection, compared to the original versions of HD /2048.

 

I got the Platinum in all 3. But I didn't struggle with omega anywhere near as much as the other 2.

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57 minutes ago, KenjiCBZ said:

Hello.

 

I don't want to look like the classic mad guy who can't beat a videogame and so rants about it, I only want to share my experience with that game and know what you think about that.

 

Basically, the feeling I have is that game is 90% based on luck, luck, luck and nothing more than luck. With that, I mean that your result in a race consist on the power ups you receive, how the AI behaves, or a combination of both. I say that because, as a huge time trial lover (Not only in this game, but also in others, such as Crash Bandicoot), I have mostly been able to beat the Time Trials of this game in few attempts, and I believe the times were somehow challenging. Failing a time trial, than looking for shortcuts, mastering the race, and then beating the trial after practicing it just feels amazing to me, you feel like you got a huge accomplishment. That's how a whole videogame should be, for me.

 

Then, I would jump into a standard race that takes place in the same race where I just got in few attempts a good time in time trial, and would waste hours, achieving like fourth or fifth place despite driving exactly how I did in time trials. And why don't I win? Because I don't get the right powerups, and/or because the stupid AI keeps getting in my way and killing me. In a lot of occasions, I was leading the race as 1st, and just meters before the end of the race, someone would just rape me from behind, killing me in one shot, and there was nothing I could do despite witnessing my well driven race be erased by that: stupid AI and RNG. Without counting in some occasions when you could see  pathetic rubber banding: I remember some days ago, I was leading and I took a turbo right before the end of the race, but an opponent passed me by despite not taking the turbo, and surpassed me like 0.5 seconds before the end of the race. You have no idea how I felt.

 

Probably, racing games are not for me: one year ago I played Steep (A winter sport game), which is a really hard game with tough challenges, but I loved it, because everytime I failed a challenge, I would feel motivated to try again, and to keep it up until I was able to beat that challenge. I don't remember to ever feeling pissed about failing a challenge in Steep: instead, everytime I fail a race here in Wipeout (Besides time trials) I just feel like if I am wasting my time, and that the game is making fun of me. I feel like the game is completely unfair.

 

For now, I'll take a long break from that game, I prefer playing something else instead of wasting my time there. Let me know your thoughts, maybe I am exhaggerating, I'd like to know if someone experienced something similar with this game.

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Don't lose time posting your complains, what you have to do is play and play and play. 

 

If you frustrate yourself, you will get nothing. That's how I got it. 

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Just now, Carttagos said:

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQl_8Bb4nXoXnfl_z13x_8I was waiting for the usual very funny guy begging for thumbs up replying in such a disrespectul way. Congrats. Great attitude.

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19 minutes ago, KenjiCBZ said:
24 minutes ago, Carttagos said:

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQl_8Bb4nXoXnfl_z13x_8I was waiting for the usual very funny guy begging for thumbs up replying in such a disrespectul way. Congrats. Great attitude.

So, is it correct to cheer up a guy who's complaining about that this game is based on luck??? 

 

Someone has to do the dirty work here, and my advise for you was and it will be play, play and play. I suffered with this game, you have no idea, but I did not waste like 30m posting about how unfair is this game. 

 

Gaming has always been like this, you have to train if you want to succeed.

 

Cheers.

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It's not luck it's skill I'm afraid, whilst there are instances of getting hit at the finishing line and losing the race, it's nothing compared to Wipeout HD, that game I would say involved a lot of luck.

 

I won't say this game is easy but keep practicing and mastering the courses and you should be fine.

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I don't consider the game unfair at all.

A bit of luck is involved like in pretty much any game anyway.

You just need a bit of strategy. If you get a shit weapon, just absorb it to regain health, so that you can eventually get mines, shield or bomb to keep the AI far from you if you are 1st. Otherwise if you are not 1st then eventually you get a turbo powerup (that may also come while 1st too) which you can then use in some spots for a big jump/cut and then 1-2 or even 3 barrel rolls in a row and you already get a huge gap from all the pilots. Since the AI does not barrel roll nor adjusts its position to pick some weapons, I'd say that this is unfair for the AI itself.

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I appreciate your comments, really, even if I don't agree with them. By the way, one thing: I didn't create this thread to complain, but to share my experience with this game and know what you think about it.

 

Posting that pic by itself, well, I didn't appreciate that at all, you were making fun of me. Telling me to just keep trying and trying is a better thing, at least you told me something. As said, I don't agree with the fact that it's not luck but skill, because losing all the times because of randomness is not fair in my opinion. You surely have to be skilled, but my feeling is that I am not lucky enough.

 

I still respect the fact that you got the Platinum. I don't want to fight at all, I simply didn't appreciate at all that you posted that pic without anything else, that's not a good attitude.

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1 minute ago, KenjiCBZ said:

I appreciate your comments, really, even if I don't agree with them. By the way, one thing: I didn't create this thread to complain, but to share my experience with this game and know what you think about it.

 

Posting that pic by itself, well, I didn't appreciate that at all, you were making fun of me. Telling me to just keep trying and trying is a better thing, at least you told me something. As said, I don't agree with the fact that it's not luck but skill, because losing all the times because of randomness is not fair in my opinion. You surely have to be skilled, but my feeling is that I am not lucky enough.

 

I still respect the fact that you got the Platinum. I don't want to fight at all, I simply didn't appreciate at all that you posted that pic without anything else, that's not a good attitude.

No issues here, I posted the pic just to "inspired" you to come back and try again. 

 

I understand you 100% as I like to try to platinum hard games. 

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Never played the Omega Collection so I don't know about the differences but Wipeout HD had A LOT of rubberbanding. And obviously there will be rng with random power ups.

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The game has some rubberbanding. Maybe that's why it feels unfair.

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A little tip. Give the AI a couple of seconds head start. Let rhe field even itself out. Then try overtaking then 1 by 1. Hopefully by the end of the race you should be in the lead, if you try to take the lead right away that's when the ai will give you the most problems. 

 

Also absorb any crap weapons like the cannon, bomb to maintain your ship health and try to barrell roll at any opportunity possible. 

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Yeah, it is.

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