Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted June 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, rebelkiller93 said: The simple facts are that the seventh generation of consoles is coming up on being 20 years old - the PS3 is now older than the SNES was when the PS3 launched. Well… thanks for that… I feel swell… 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_87 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, Kavatus said: Wasnt that mainly developers move against second hand market and not Sony's? Also many (if not all) ditched that model later and changed online pass free if I remember it right. Yes, especially EA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelkiller93 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Helyx said: Why would you deliberately wound me with this information? Hahaha I'm wounding myself more than anything! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud_SOLDAT Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Kavatus said: Wasnt that mainly developers move against second hand market and not Sony's? Also many (if not all) ditched that model later and changed online pass free if I remember it right. Could be, yet Sony was part of it. It prints money. It's crazy what else they came up with: https://www.eurogamer.net/sony-patents-tech-to-block-use-of-second-hand-games https://www.destructoid.com/sony-ps4-wont-block-used-games/ Something I'd put in that corner is a PS5 with no disc drive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavatus Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, Cloud_SOLDAT said: Could be, yet Sony was part of it. It prints money. It's crazy what else they came up with: https://www.eurogamer.net/sony-patents-tech-to-block-use-of-second-hand-games https://www.destructoid.com/sony-ps4-wont-block-used-games/ Something I'd put in that corner is a PS5 with no disc drive... Digital ps5 was option for some who dont buy physical games, but as far as I know Sony manufactures those models on lot lower scale than regular models. I havent seen digital models on my country store fronts but I havent been on look out avidly on either models so that basicly means nothing. Those links do sound crazy, but second hand market is still happening on ps5. Minor thing, but decision to lock discs to single console would ruin library's games collections. That's a thing in Finland atleast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lord_Bane999 Posted June 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2022 Seeing threads like this, makes me wish Sony actually closes a couple more servers instead of saving them. Most of the games are like 10+ years at this point. Let the servers with filled with degradation, hackers and outages just die. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRetroManiac Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Dropped in too check the progress, and it has 22 people that have signed this petition interesting I'm curious to those that have signed do you really think it's gonna work on a console that is very old and now has 2 newer consoles ahead of it lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) It's funny to me that there are still people who think online petitions for video games actually do something. Edited June 12, 2022 by Viper 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Otonio_Bruno Posted June 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Lord_Bane999 said: Seeing threads like this, makes me wish Sony actually closes a couple more servers instead of saving them. Most of the games are like 10+ years at this point. Let the servers with filled with degradation, hackers and outages just die. Come on now, I understand the sentiment towards the petition, but please don't wish for this, better to have malfunctioning servers than no servers at all, Far Cry 2 trophy hunters will tell that much. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunnyside_Jimmy Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Bane999 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 11/06/2022 at 6:55 PM, Otonio_Bruno said: Come on now, I understand the sentiment towards the petition, but please don't wish for this, better to have malfunctioning servers than no servers at all, Far Cry 2 trophy hunters will tell that much. Servers aren't made for just trophy hunters. That's an idiotic entitlement I see argued constantly in the topic of server preservation. But then we can't get trophies. Good and there's games on PC with unobtainable Steam achievements thanks to server closures and same goes with Xbox. The fact is as trophy hunters we aren't paying into these servers, we aren't even contributing much in terms of money towards the devs as most trophy hunters I would argue are quite frugal and would rather spend less. There's literally no incentive to them to keep it open for us. And sure one could say but we still play it, that's cool there's probably always gonna be someone just playing it. But it doesn't mean that's enough player count to keep it open. TL;DR We aren't the only reason these servers exist. So people have to stop with that notion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otonio_Bruno Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, Lord_Bane999 said: Servers aren't made for just trophy hunters. That's an idiotic entitlement I see argued constantly in the topic of server preservation. But then we can't get trophies. Good and there's games on PC with unobtainable Steam achievements thanks to server closures and same goes with Xbox. The fact is as trophy hunters we aren't paying into these servers, we aren't even contributing much in terms of money towards the devs as most trophy hunters I would argue are quite frugal and would rather spend less. There's literally no incentive to them to keep it open for us. And sure one could say but we still play it, that's cool there's probably always gonna be someone just playing it. But it doesn't mean that's enough player count to keep it open. TL;DR We aren't the only reason these servers exist. So people have to stop with that notion. Sorry, but what does all this have to do with you wishing developers close more servers because someone made a silly change.org petition? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Bane999 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 9 hours ago, Otonio_Bruno said: Sorry, but what does all this have to do with you wishing developers close more servers because someone made a silly change.org petition? Sorry, but what does wishing devs to keep servers open for a game no one is planning to continue to support after they've completed all trophies in it? If you can't come up with any competent argument just like OP is lacking as too why servers need to stay up just for us. Your failing to see my point. We aren't worth it for the servers alone and we never will be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelude Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I would love to see these game brought back to life, however that will never happen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seiyuuki Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 the entitlement is unreal 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakie19 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) What was it that Elsa sang in that Disney movie? Edited June 13, 2022 by shakie19 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDT1 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) I feel like all developers should be forced to have an EOL patch that would support peer to peer matchmaking. If I can still play the OG Age of Empires from the 90's when it was all dial up then how can I not play modern games? The only issue would be leaderboards which I feel should be a lighter load that Sony could host as part of PS+ EDIT: Alternatively allow a company to buy the rights to the IP for the servers so we can get a subscription service that keeps "old" games alive. I have personally reached out to a couple of dev's and its usually the publisher who pushes for closure.... Edited June 13, 2022 by RDT1 . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, RDT1 said: I feel like all developers should be forced to have an EOL patch that would support peer to peer matchmaking. If I can still play the OG Age of Empires from the 90's when it was all dial up then how can I not play modern games? The only issue would be leaderboards which I feel should be a lighter load that Sony could host as part of PS+ EDIT: Alternatively allow a company to buy the rights to the IP for the servers so we can get a subscription service that keeps "old" games alive. I have personally reached out to a couple of dev's and its usually the publisher who pushes for closure.... Dedicated servers are used for two reasons, greed, and also for security. The latter is that you can't really have super multiplayer games where someone is the server due to cheating. Like imagine if an only Casino game was not a dedicated server. That's a scam right there since one person can alter the data with cheats. Also the server can use lag switching and how are you going to stop it? Depending on how games were made programmatically, not all games can simply have a server switch and remain operational. This is especially apparent on games where data for example is offloaded to a third party for efficiency. Like if you have AI bots in a game that are controlled by a server independent of the game using a completely different piece of software, are you gonna give that software for free. And what about the online data stored on a server somewhere, something like RE.net, or a custom client that also connects you into the world of the game you are playing. Servers on games are a lot more complicated in many cases than most people think. You can't easily just turn them on again once they are off. And this isn't even touching on the human maintenance of said servers, which aren't just machines that are left on and unattended for several years. Someone needs to pay for that maintanence and space for the machines in the server and where they are stored. (it's not just "one server" usually, but a set of them (obviously) ) Edited June 14, 2022 by enaysoft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 13 hours ago, enaysoft said: Dedicated servers are used for two reasons, greed, and also for security. Hysterical. You said greed was one of the (only two in your argument) reasons and then proceeded to spell out many of the ways dedicated servers cost companies more money in the long run. But somehow that’s greedy. Nice job! I guess when someone is going for the oversimplification fallacy, they’re bound to counter their own premises. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_87 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 23 hours ago, shakie19 said: What was it that Elsa sang in that Disney movie? I know! I know! ... ... "Into The Unknown"? Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 hours ago, DaivRules said: Hysterical. You said greed was one of the (only two in your argument) reasons and then proceeded to spell out many of the ways dedicated servers cost companies more money in the long run. But somehow that’s greedy. Nice job! I guess when someone is going for the oversimplification fallacy, they’re bound to counter their own premises. lol. You didn't understand my post? Oh well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-Trigger Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 I'm going to help! ????? One step closer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z1MZUM Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 We may like the exclusives on Playstation however Sony has never and will never give a genuine fuck. They only ever act in response to their competition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMardigan_88 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Great. Another one that "demands" a game company fulfill their demands. It would not surprise me if someone showed this to people at Sony and watched all of them start laughing. There is no money to be made by starting up servers again for old games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnichoj Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Gamers when Sony shuts down servers for good multiplayer games: Sleep Gamers when Sony wants to shut down the store so people can't give them money for games they can play free on their phone: REAL SHIT!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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