PS Rewired now has a custom server as well

[I-SilentEcho-I]

41 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

Where’s the source code for them?

I feel like being combative towards users just asking a genuine question is a really bad way to behave considering you're a moderator. There hasn't been an actual update on the situation on this, so I was just asking about that. 

As for your question, it is not my responsibility to manage which custom servers for games are allowed by sites rules, nor do I have any involvement in it. I assume it would be up to people such as yourself and the CRT to make some sort of effort to look into such things, discuss amongst yourselves, gauge what the community thinks and come to a conclusion from there.

Putting the onus on a random user who's essentially asking "is there a chance that this game someday may be allowed like other games have been" is completely ridiculous. Why don't you or someone else that works for the site or is involved in these matters find out by contacting the people running the custom servers to start off with? Maybe then with a little communication you could get the ball rolling and eventually this game will be allowed to played while remaining on the leaderboards as per the rules for site.

Then instead of being sarcastic towards users and just upsetting for them for no reason, you could actually make people happy by working towards bringing these games back? Or perhaps I'm mistaken and you signed up to be a moderator all those years ago to be rude and sarcastic to people who would just like some basic information or help with something.

[DaivRules]

12 minutes ago, I-SilentEcho-I said:

I feel like being combative towards users just asking a genuine question is a really bad way to behave considering you're a moderator.

You poked me, knowing I’m a moderator and have nothing to do with approving custom servers and you also already know what the requirements are, just to instigate a fight. When you get the exact answer to the question you’re asking, it’s not my fault you don’t like it. And my question was not sarcastic, it’s literal. 

 

17 minutes ago, I-SilentEcho-I said:

As for your question, it is not my responsibility to manage which custom servers for games are allowed by sites rules, nor do I have any involvement in it. I assume it would be up to people such as yourself and the CRT to make some sort of effort to look into such things, discuss amongst yourselves, gauge what the community thinks and come to a conclusion from there.

Putting the onus on a random user who's essentially asking "is there a chance that this game someday may be allowed like other games have been" is completely ridiculous. Why don't you or someone else that works for the site or is involved in these matters find out by contacting the people running the custom servers to start off with? Maybe then with a little communication you could get the ball rolling and eventually this game will be allowed to played while remaining on the leaderboards as per the rules for site.
 

You assumption here is flawed. The Cheater Removers decide which custom servers are allowed after the community recommends one and it meets two minimum requirements: Open source and No CFW requirement. This much has been discussed over and over again. 
 

If members here want this place to accept custom servers that don’t meet those requirements, then those members need to collectively pressure the custom server owners to meet the requirements set forth. To say that it’s on the staff here only to communicate to them is pure entitlement. There’s way more people who claim to want trophies earned on those servers to be allowed here then there are staff, that’s going to be a way more effective argument for those devs than a Cheater Remover here asking them: “Can you post your code in a public repo?” “No.” “Okay.”

 

[dfyd]

Why can't we have a democratic vote on it? If we as a community, vote to uphold the ban on custom servers, let it be done. If we vote to allow trophies on custom servers, let it be done. 

Right now, it's coming across as people at the top, with the power, blocking changes the community appears to be overwhelmingly in favour of. The vast majority of PS3 games are obtainable today - which means hackers can pop trophies on all of these games, with realistic time stamps and get away with it. The only games hackers can't do this on (unless the also take the step to create custom time stamps) are games that have unobtainable trophies. This means that legitimate players and trophy hunters - the majority of our community, is now deprived of playing revived games, under the auspices of leaderboard integrity. All this move does is protect a couple hundred trophies from being earned both legitimately and illegitimately. Blocking these custom servers is akin to using a fire extinguisher to try and save your enflamed kitchen, when the rest of your house is already on fire. 

[NewVegasNick]

1 hour ago, DaivRules said:

 

If members here want this place to accept custom servers that don’t meet those requirements, then those members need to collectively pressure the custom server owners to meet the requirements set forth. To say that it’s on the staff here only to communicate to them is pure entitlement. There’s way more people who claim to want trophies earned on those servers to be allowed here then there are staff, that’s going to be a way more effective argument for those devs than a Cheater Remover here asking them: “Can you post your code in a public repo?” “No.” “Okay.”

 

 

Honestly, what does the open source requirement even achieve here? 

You're CRT team member, not a game developer. You'd have no idea what you're looking at. Why don't you simply talk to the groups that open the custom servers? Engage in a discussion, see what's what and make an informed decision with the community. CRT isn't asking game developers for the source code update every time they patch a game. Custom servers are different, but not really. As long as the experience is close to the original game, that's as far as the CRT needs to be involved. 

The open source requirement is a shield that the CRT is using to ensure that none of these ps3 server revivals are considered valid. Server revivals that will keep happening more and more frequently in the coming years. Ideally, the CRT would assess each server revival individually and judge it based on it's own merits and how it alters the game experience. But you're not doing that. You set a blanket rule that means nothing to any of you. The community is asking the CRT to use some degree of discretionary ability to make these decisions, and you want none of it.

At what point is the CRT just a brick wall refusing to adapt. 

[I-SilentEcho-I]

1 hour ago, DaivRules said:

You poked me, knowing I’m a moderator and have nothing to do with approving custom servers and you also already know what the requirements are, just to instigate a fight. When you get the exact answer to the question you’re asking, it’s not my fault you don’t like it. And my question was not sarcastic, it’s literal.

I did not "poke you to instigate a fight". I asked a reasonable question of someone who is directly involved with the site. I asked you because you're here in this thread, and I thought you might know something as you seem to frequent these kinds of threads a lot. A reasonable response to my question would have been:

"Sorry but I don't actually know anything regarding the status of the custom servers being allowed per the rules, you'll have to ask someone on the CRT"

Or even better, you could've done something nice like get in contact with one of the team members yourself, since they seem to be incredibly hard to reach for regular users unless you've directly violated the rules of the leaderboard and have a flag dispute thread.

It's been months since these custom servers have been up, I haven't been keeping up with it and thought you might know something. I apologise for my crime of daring to ask you something i thought you might know. It's not about how I feel about the custom servers being accepted or not, I just wanted to know what was happening if anything at all. Honestly, I was expecting a "no one has looked into it yet" and then I was just going to go about my day. It's pretty sad that you assumed the worst of me without even knowing who I am, and quite frankly shows the kind of negative mental state you're in.

 

1 hour ago, DaivRules said:

You assumption here is flawed. The Cheater Removers decide which custom servers are allowed after the community recommends one and it meets two minimum requirements: Open source and No CFW requirement. This much has been discussed over and over again. 
 

If members here want this place to accept custom servers that don’t meet those requirements, then those members need to collectively pressure the custom server owners to meet the requirements set forth.

I did not know those were the two requirements. Maybe you could've just said that instead of the response you gave before. For the record, it doesnt matter if your response was "literal", it came off and rude and sarcastic completely unprovoked from a site Moderator, who should be setting an example on how people talk to each other here.

Why didn't you just say this then? Why the rude response? That would've made me think "oh okay, ill go find out how to get in contact with these server owners, thanks for letting me know daiv" instead of what I think now which is "I think people like daiv should not be in any position of power because hes indiscriminately rude and disrespectful instead of helpful to users when they ask him a simple question".
 

1 hour ago, DaivRules said:

To say that it’s on the staff here only to communicate to them is pure entitlement. There’s way more people who claim to want trophies earned on those servers to be allowed here then there are staff, that’s going to be a way more effective argument for those devs than a Cheater Remover here asking them: “Can you post your code in a public repo?” “No.” “Okay.”

 

How is that entitlement? It's the site rules, and you'd expect some kind of investigation or something would have been done as a bare minimum before these servers were ruled out as inelligible for the boards and people being automatically flagged for earning the trophies. If this were my site, I'd want people to actually be encouraged to come here, earn trophies and discuss these kind of things openly. I would go out of my way to contact the server owners and try to work with them to see if the rules would allow it.

It seems baffling to me that you'd volunteer to moderate on a site for users you clearly have disdain for, you don't care to actually help improve the site or improve the community. I also can't believe I got dragged into an argument BY a moderator, when all I did was ask a question I genuinely did not know the answer to. I'm expecting some kind of warning point or my messages deleted btw, when I haven't done anything wrong but defend myself. I think this whole thing is ridiculous.
 

[Dylan-Mehl]

Just my 2 cents:

 

What is the difference between someone using a hacker on Black Ops 2 to earn - still obtainable - trophies and between someone using a closed server. In both examples people can give trophies to others by cheating. People are questioned and/or flagged when their trophy timestamps are abnormal or if they have earned an unobtainable trophy. 'Smart hackers' can still cheat trophies one by one so people won't notice the abnormal timestamps if they want to. Hell, people can even change their timestamps to their own liking if they really want to.

 

At the end, obtaining trophies is all about having fun and feeling accomplished because you have completed a game. I would love to complete my profile legitimate with open or closed servers. If there are people abusing the system, let them. People already can cheat without getting catch if they want to. They only ban people where the cheating is super obvious, and that fact won't really change after allowing closed servers.

Edited April 6, 2023 by Dylan-Mehl

[ixcoh]

Truly bizarre that trophy sites allow 1 second platinum autopops, but not trophies earned legitimately in most cases, because they were earned on a custom server. If you're gonna flag one, please flag the other. I'd rather have leaderboards that allowed custom servers, than autopops. Autopop is just governing body sanctioned cheating. Those who have autopop platinums should be asked to hide them if they wish to remain on the leaderboard. 

[NewVegasNick]

Another thing that's pretty funny is that a lot of these custom server revivals have "no boosting" rules.

 

Which means that, arguably, playing on the custom server is a more legitimate experience than boosting on the regular servers lol.
 

[J-S_93]

On 4/6/2023 at 3:46 PM, ixcoh said:

Truly bizarre that trophy sites allow 1 second platinum autopops, but not trophies earned legitimately in most cases, because they were earned on a custom server. If you're gonna flag one, please flag the other. I'd rather have leaderboards that allowed custom servers, than autopops. Autopop is just governing body sanctioned cheating. Those who have autopop platinums should be asked to hide them if they wish to remain on the leaderboard. 

Although I don't like auto-pops - there are games that are online only, and your game account progress is server based thus the moment you log in using your game account to another PlayStation console, be that PS4 to PS5 or PS5 to PS4, the console you don't have the Trophies on for that game will auto-pop anything that game account has earned, which will then Sync a duplicate list to your PSN account; the caveat being you'll have multi-platform lists.

Destiny 2 for example, so statements like that are not practical and would be terrible moderation for any site...

Edited October 1, 2023 by J-S_93

[MMDE]

On 3/14/2023 at 4:50 PM, I-SilentEcho-I said:

Bumping this @MMDE, any news on whether this game will be allowed or if its being looking into at all?

 

*hiding up my own backend*

[Ghost-Zeus514]

Probably not 

[Lance_87]

Not this crap again.. just let this thread die please.

[J2VLegacy]

7 hours ago, MMDE said:

 

*hiding up my own backend*

By this response, the answer is no and not be allowed it looks like.

[nicholasyc]

I copied what the primary dns and secondary dns says to my primary and secondary dns but when I tried to connect online, it says there was a problem connecting to the servers. It's still down? Online servers didn't revived? Did I did something wrong?

[Richtoon]

12 hours ago, nicholasyc said:

I copied what the primary dns and secondary dns says to my primary and secondary dns but when I tried to connect online, it says there was a problem connecting to the servers. It's still down? Online servers didn't revived? Did I did something wrong?

Only custom. Causal and ranking not working 

[Annie_Rexiya]

I think flagging for custom servers is stupid and will make people not care about this site

[JAK-KRIEG]

2 hours ago, Annie_Rexiya said:

I think flagging for custom servers is stupid and will make people not care about this site

I know many would disagree with that if you wanna enjoy mp in dead games create a dummy account so that your main doesn't get flagged. It's gotta be a fair playing field for trophies here and you missed your chance.