LastMinuteSavior Posted July 15, 2023 Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 @DrBloodmoney That's probably very close to the truth. But I doubt Barbie will be too cerebral. Mattel still wants a boost on their sales after all. I imagine it's just going to be a fun movie, with a few winks and nods that only older audiences will understand, and then the third act will have some kind of overarching message for everyone. Chloé Zhao also directed Eternals after her Oscar win, and that movie was very light on substance. Still, I'm sure there will be hundreds of film students writing essays about this "double feature". Some will argue the two films are complete opposites, others will swear they are essentially the same movie. That being said, the only reason Barbie releases on the same day as Oppenheimer is because the studio expects it to perform well as counterprogramming, unlike Dead Reckoning which moved up to ensure a couple of weeks in the premium screens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Can’t say I’m all that excited about either really. Oppenheimer seems interesting so I might see it at the cinema and maybe see Barbie when it hits Netflix. I’m more excited to watch Mission Impossible, love that shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanolt Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: Gerwig is in ascension, Nolan peaked decades ago. She always has something interesting to say, whereas he and has been on a slow downswing since Memento, and has had pretty lacklustre fare in his last couple of movies. Although Memento is a masterpiece, in my humble opinion, Inception & The Dark Knight are so much better. TDK specially, that movie teached hollywood how to make a thriller about something that feels ridiculous in paper, but ends up being an amazing story with some of the best ever written characters in media. There's just so much to analyze from that movie that is hard to believe it's a superhero blockbuster. I also recommend you The Prestige if you haven't seen it. Edited July 16, 2023 by Jeanoltt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Jeanoltt said: Although Memento is a masterpiece, in my humble opinion, Inception & The Dark Knight are so much better. TDK specially, that movie teached hollywood how to make a thriller about something that feels ridiculous in paper, but ends up being an amazing story with some of the best ever written characters in media. There's just so much to analyze from that movie that is hard to believe it's a superhero blockbuster. I also recommend you The Prestige if you haven't seen it. I do like all those movies you mentioned - The Prestige in particular- and I definitely think in terms of filmmaking spectacle, Nolan is a master…. … but I’d still stand by the “style-over-substance” point with them. While I certainly enjoy them, any time I do rewatch them, the things I’m impressed by, and am rewatching them for, are aspects of the filmmaking, rather than any real plot or character type stuff… and I think that particular point gets more and more true as his films have progressed- with Tenet being the first one to really feel that way - dry and cold and purely a masturbatory filmmaking exercise- even on first viewing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotrikBerger Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: I do like all those movies you mentioned - The Prestige in particular- and I definitely think in terms of filmmaking spectacle, Nolan is a master…. … but I’d still stand by the “style-over-substance” point with them. While I certainly enjoy them, any time I do rewatch them, the things I’m impressed by, and am rewatching them for, are aspects of the filmmaking, rather than any real plot or character type stuff… and I think that particular point gets more and more true as his films have progressed- with Tenet being the first one to really feel that way - dry and cold and purely a masturbatory filmmaking exercise- even on first viewing. Not got much to offer on Barbie or Oppenheimer, but I am a self confessed movie buff and Nolan in particular is an interesting character and filmmaker. He is obsessed with time and humankind’s perception of it and it is woven into the fabric of all his movies. I make you right that character has subsided bit by bit with each new film he releases, but each one kind of ramps up how heavily time influences the films to the point that time itself is almost becoming the main character and plot of his films. I think this the style over substance aspect that is being picked up on. And it’s hard to really disagree with that. And just for shits and giggles, his two best films for me are Memento and Insomnia. He may have got the best ever al Pacino performance too....I mean we can definitely debate that, but it’s certainly right up there with his most impressive roles I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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starcrunch061 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I rarely get into political things, but Warner’s shameless courting of China, in a Barbie movie, is just too much. Those assholes, in their crayon, childlike map of the world in the game, managed to include the so-called “nine dash line”, a fiction to which only China (and Hollywood) subscribe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb5f Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I thought this was a joke poll when I opened ? I couldn’t imagine ever watching Barbie, although admittedly Margot Robbie is quite easy on the eyes. But to suffer through that would necessitate some form of payment! Oppenheimer looks fascinating, not that I’d pay to see in the theatre. Just not something I do more than once every 5 years. Like with video games, the backlog is strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsentry Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, djb5f said: I thought this was a joke poll when I opened ? I couldn’t imagine ever watching Barbie, although admittedly Margot Robbie is quite easy on the eyes. But to suffer through that would necessitate some form of payment! Oppenheimer looks fascinating, not that I’d pay to see in the theatre. Just not something I do more than once every 5 years. Like with video games, the backlog is strong. Same here. I just assumed Barbie was a kid's movie, you know...the demographic that plays with Barbies. Seeing all the reviews and comments about the messaging, now I am not sure who the movie is for. In any case, neither for me. I'll watch Oppenheimer when it comes to a streaming service so my ear drums don't burst from Nolan's incessant use of bass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadaik Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 15 hours ago, starcrunch061 said: I rarely get into political things, but Warner’s shameless courting of China, in a Barbie movie, is just too much. Those assholes, in their crayon, childlike map of the world in the game, managed to include the so-called “nine dash line”, a fiction to which only China (and Hollywood) subscribe. You actually believe that nonsense? Then tell me, what the nearly identical lines spanning the caribbean and going from the US to Greenland are? It's just some doodles that randomly resemble something the filmmakers are likely not even aware of existing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slava Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) Barbie earned $155 million in NA last weekend. Oppenheimer earned $80M. Almost 2 times difference. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/2023W29 Edited July 24, 2023 by Slava 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slava Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 I don't know who needs to hear this, but here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkrobot_pb Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 24-7-2023 at 6:38 AM, Slava said: Barbie earned $155 million in NA last weekend. Oppenheimer earned $80M. Almost 2 times difference. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/2023W29 Oppenheimer will rebound with its toy sales no doubt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Barbie was better. Oppenheimer was easily 45m to an hour too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristen Danielle Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 4:11 PM, LastMinuteSavior said: Which one are you more excited to see? It would suit me just fine if Oppenheimer nuked the Barbie movie. lol I love Nolan, so I booked a month in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanolt Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) Both were really good. Good to know at this stage of life how are these two movies going to be without even watching trailers. Barbie had lots of messages and Oppenheimer did a great job making you feel the tension and burden of the character. Hope more movies like these become the norm instead of the classical superhero movie, which I loved but they're way too much now. Edited August 2, 2023 by Jeanoltt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDGES Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 I'll go with Barbie out of the two, three reasons: fan of Ryan fan of Margot if I wanted to know about how whatever bomb was made, I would read the wiki article, not watch a long ass movie on it, even if it is made by one of my favorite directors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xillynoc Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Both were great. On 7/15/2023 at 11:55 AM, serrated-banner9 said: Barbie on the other hand... probably never going to watch but if i did it would most likely be in my worst films of all time list. maybe i'm being too hypercritical as i'm clearly not the target audience for Barbie but it's pretty much guaranteed to be a comedy that appeals to small children, like something you put on for the sole reason of entertaining your children while you do stuff. This is hysterical in hindsight, I've almost never seen someone so wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkind-tear4 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 I'm getting "Barbie" when it comes out on Blu-Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewartBros Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 5:38 AM, Slava said: Barbie earned $155 million in NA last weekend. Oppenheimer earned $80M. Almost 2 times difference. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/2023W29 Yes, because Barbie was a family film to see with the kids. Oppenheimer was decidedly NOT a family film. I saw Oppenheimer when it came out, and enjoyed it - at least, as much as one can enjoy a film that deals with such dark subject matter. Having some prior knowledge of Oppenheimer himself and the development of the atomic bomb certainly helped, though it was easy enough to follow without prior knowledge. I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Barbie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost-Zeus514 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 They're both solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMichigan Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Oppenheimer was clearly the better movie, though they are both so different. I did watch Oppenheimer in IMAX, and then the same day saw Barbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slava Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 57 minutes ago, StewartBros said: Yes, because Barbie was a family film to see with the kids. Oppenheimer was decidedly NOT a family film. I know. Just posted numbers. Wasn't meaning to use box office results for argument purposes, although I see how it can be read in the topic about Oppenheimer and Barbie having a duel. But yeah, Oppenheimer is apparently Nolan's first R-rated film in more than 20 years. It did very well considering that fact. Third highest grossing film for the director only behind two Batman movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanolt Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 5 hours ago, StewartBros said: Yes, because Barbie was a family film to see with the kids. You clearly haven't seen Barbie lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewartBros Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Jeanolt said: You clearly haven't seen Barbie lol. No, I haven't. Which I mentioned in the same post. I have no intention of ever watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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