Invincible Glitch

[Infected Elite]

5 hours ago, APCGrayLocked said:

 

you can use it everywhere, but i recommend to use it ONLY on the 4th and 5th Pantheons, because the main game is very easy (even the White Castle).

i stopped playing the game ages ago. i dont really intend on picking it up anytime soon. was curious how it worked though. Thank you. 

[Cyberdyne-7]

Respect for everyone who beat 5th Pantheon without glitch, myself included. I didn't know about glitch and I'm ok with that, because it will encourage a lot of players and especially trophy hunters to play this masterpeace game without fear of not earning platinum. But I'm aslo sorry for those players, because they will never know the joy of beating every single one of those 42 bosses and the pride of having the skill to do it on their own. 

Bye bye Pantheon of the Hallownest 

Edited December 10, 2019 by Cyberdyne-7

[Stardroid]

On 11/2/2019 at 1:03 AM, CookeKeyes said:

Jesus, what a bunch of whiney elitists. It’s a video game, not a friggin’ college degree. If people want to use a glitch then that’s their business, it doesn’t affect you in any way.

 

If you got the platinum without using the glitch, then good for you, but also why are you even here? Move on to another game, you’re done here. Coming in here to complain about it and saying people don’t “deserve” the platinum is absolutely ridiculous and makes you sound like entitled brats.

I understand these people. They put in the effort to get good at the game, they completed a very difficult trial the hard way and these people get to be paired with others that have not done so. Why is this different from sports for example? Would you be happy if your record running time, which you achieved through hard work would be shared with someone else who just took performance boosting drugs? You wouldn't. Now, yes, these are games, but this is still a trophy hunting website. A huge part of trophy hunting is rarity and challenges, so it makes sense for people to be upset about this. So it does affect them and your narrow minded hot take on this isn't going to change anything at all. 

Using a glich means you are not obtaining said achievement in the intended way, so no, people who use this glitch do not deserve this? Why is this so difficult to understand? People act as if this is some shocking elitist stance, but it isn't. It's very easy to reason this, yet the biggest moaners are always the people who use glitches by trying to justify their own stupidity and laziness / lack of self respect. I don't know man, maybe it's just a mentality thing. I would never cheapen someone else's accomplishment like this and I think harshly of it. Be it in games, sports, work etc. It matters little to me. An achievement is an achievement, no matter on what platform it is. 

 

To clarify as well, when I say 'Cheapen someone else's accomplishment', I don't mean it diminishes their own skill, but it does diminish the acknowledgement of pool of players that do. For me, as an example, completing Wolfenstein II on Mein Leben. The appeal for me, to achieve such a feat was to get what other great players before me have gotten. Now imagine if you had an invicibility glitch on Mein Leben and everyone could just clear it with zero effort. I would not be happy about that because this pool of obviously good players is 'poisoned' by the lazy, self entitled people who just want achievements they never deserved. Now, a criticism I often get is that these people care too much about trophies. But is that really the case. Who do you think cares more? The people earning these achievements legitimately or the people who are so sweaty about trophies that they will use cheap stuff like this to obtain something they most certainly wouldn't have obtained otherwise? I would say the latter take trophies far more seriously as they are willing to not only cheapen the experience of people in for a challenge with others, they also don't mind having a meaningless trophy they didn't earn, it's more important to them to just have the virtual trophy. 

 

I know, a wall of text here, but I honestly think that people who get trophies just for the sake of trophies are by far bigger chumps than people who earn trophies for the challenge. 

Edited December 8, 2019 by STARLOVE

[APCGrayLocked]

Starlove said:

I understand these people. They put in the effort to get good at the game, they completed a very difficult trial the hard way and these people get to be paired with others that have not done so. Why is this different from sports for example? Would you be happy if your record running time, which you achieved through hard work would be shared with someone else who just took performance-boosting drugs? You wouldn't. Now, yes, these are games, but this is still a trophy hunting website. A huge part of trophy hunting is rarity and challenges, so it makes sense for people to be upset about this. So it does affect them and your narrow-minded hot take on this isn't going to change anything at all. 
 

Actually no. The trophy hunting itself is just collect the trophies. The way you do them (legit, glitching/bugging them, using the debug menu, save on plus, etc) is not important (hacking excluding obviously). This thing of "rarity and challenge" is just a joke (especially the rarity part, because the rarity comes from 3 things: number of players that have played the game, the difficulty of the game itself [that can be difficult or just very long] or rarity of the game itself). For the sports part... well, your comparison can be valid only if in the other plate of the scale there is the competitive multiplayer.

 

Starlove said:
Using a glitch means you are not obtaining said achievement in the intended way, so no, people who use this glitch do not deserve this? Why is this so difficult to understand? People act as if this is some shocking elitist stance, but it isn't. It's very easy to reason this, yet the biggest moaners are always the people who use glitches by trying to justify their own stupidity and laziness/lack of self-respect. I don't know man, maybe it's just a mentality thing. I would never cheapen someone else's accomplishment like this and I think harshly of it. Be it in games, sports, work etc. It matters little to me. An achievement is an achievement, no matter what platform it is. 

It's interesting that you said that i'm lazy, stupid and i lack of respect, when i have an immense backlog and i live and breath videogames every day since 1999 (when i started to play) and i've absolute respect for Legends in the gaming (like DanteDevil12 [Yakuza Master] or Jordi [Crash Bandicoot Runner]). And yes, it's a mental thing and flash news: the real pro gamers doesn't care about the trophies. They care about the skill and they don't piss off the gamers that use glitches to finish things up, because they understand that there are people that are not interested at all in the "challenges" but they want the 100% completion or the platinum trophy.
 

Starlove said:

To clarify as well, when I say 'Cheapen someone else's accomplishment', I don't mean it diminishes their own skill, but it does diminish the acknowledgment of pool of players that do. For me, as an example, completing Wolfenstein II on Mein Leben. The appeal for me, to achieve such a feat was to get what other great players before me have gotten. Now imagine if you had an invincibility glitch on Mein Leben and everyone could just clear it with zero effort. I would not be happy about that because this pool of obviously good players is 'poisoned' by the lazy, self-entitled people who just want achievements they never deserved. Now, a criticism I often get is that these people care too much about trophies. But is that really the case. Who do you think cares more? The people earning these achievements legitimately or the people who are so sweaty about trophies that they will use cheap stuff like this to obtain something they most certainly wouldn't have obtained otherwise? I would say the latter take trophies far more seriously as they are willing to not only cheapen the experience of people in for a challenge with others, they also don't mind having a meaningless trophy they didn't earn, it's more important to them to just have the virtual trophy. 

In which way it diminishes the pool of pro players xD? The skill of a player is not seen by the trophies itself or by the way it does them. The skill of a player is seen by the way he plays the game. The reaction time, the dodging ability, the style, the cold blood in dangerous situations, the speed in which he pushes the buttons, etc.

PS: if Wolfenstein II will have an Invincibility Glitch at some point, i will use it. Mein Leben is not that difficult, but the fact that you must play for 8h straight the game and you don't have the possibility to skip the cutscenes (that you already have seen in your first run) is just bullshit. Ah, and before you answer at this, i've platinumed Aliens vs Predator (no invincibility glitch here, sorry) and many other hard games (that weren't hard for me. And before you answer i already said it: i've used the glitch for saving some time).
 

Starlove said:

I know, a wall of text here, but I honestly think that people who get trophies just for the sake of trophies are by far bigger chumps than people who earn trophies for the challenge.

Thanks for the free insults :). Your prize is a biscuit :).

Edited December 8, 2019 by APCGrayLocked
chaos with the quoting xD

[Stardroid]

1 hour ago, APCGrayLocked said:

Starlove said:

 
 

Actually no. The trophy hunting itself is just collect the trophies. The way you do them (legit, glitching/bugging them, using the debug menu, save on plus, etc) is not important (hacking excluding obviously). This thing of "rarity and challenge" is just a joke (especially the rarity part, because the rarity comes from 3 things: number of players that have played the game, the difficulty of the game itself [that can be difficult or just very long] or rarity of the game itself). For the sports part... well, your comparison can be valid only if in the other plate of the scale there is the competitive multiplayer.

No, it's not, rarity is a huge part of the leaderboard and a huge motivational factor as to why people sign up on this website in particular, there is even a rarity leaderboard. Obviously there are different layers to rarity, but be it through grind, difficulty, PS plus etc, all are relevant. My comparison IS valid, people who abuse this cheat pretty much are put on the same level as the people who didn't, which isn't fair. 

It's interesting that you said that i'm lazy, stupid and i lack of respect, when i have an immense backlog and i live and breath videogames every day since 1999 (when i started to play) and i've absolute respect for Legends in the gaming (like DanteDevil12 [Yakuza Master] or Jordi [Crash Bandicoot Runner]). And yes, it's a mental thing and flash news: the real pro gamers doesn't care about the trophies. They care about the skill and they don't piss off the gamers that use glitches to finish things up, because they understand that there are people that are not interested at all in the "challenges" but they want the 100% completion or the platinum trophy.
 

I care very little for who you have respect, I also don't care that the real professional gamers don't care about trophies at this is simply irrelevant to what I am saying. Trophies is a hobby first and foremost. You are lacking respect and self awareness by ignoring a whole player base who do earn trophies solely based on their merrit and difficulty. You are absolutely delusional if you think this does not exist. 

In which way it diminishes the pool of pro players xD? The skill of a player is not seen by the trophies itself or by the way it does them. The skill of a player is seen by the way he plays the game. The reaction time, the dodging ability, the style, the cold blood in dangerous situations, the speed in which he pushes the buttons, etc.

PS: if Wolfenstein II will have an Invincibility Glitch at some point, i will use it. Mein Leben is not that difficult, but the fact that you must play for 8h straight the game and you don't have the possibility to skip the cutscenes (that you already have seen in your first run) is just bullshit. Ah, and before you answer at this, i've platinumed Aliens vs Predator (no invincibility glitch here, sorry) and many other hard games (that weren't hard for me. And before you answer i already said it: i've used the glitch for saving some time).

Because of players like you who can't do things legitimately, you are put in the same bracket / percentage as people who did, therefore diminishing their actual efforts. You see, the rarity is no longer a legit reflection because of players like you, and on top of that, there is no way of really telling who used a cheat and who didn't. The Mein Leben playthrough takes like 4 hours. I completed it legitimately, because I actually have some respect for the players who did as well. In not a single universe would I think to use a glitch cheapening their effort! It's crazy how self centered people are actually thinking it's okay to do this crap. To me it doesn't matter that it's trophies. I do not deserve it if I do not do it in the intended way. Using an invincibility glitch is NOT the intented way, therefore I won't do it. Why won't I do it? Because there are players who did and I respect those players on the very basic level or merrit. Anyway, I'm not really interested in debating this bullshit. It was the same with the weirdos who used the cheat in FF9 with the jump rope. If you're too bad or too lazy to put in the effort to get a virtual trophy legitemately, then don't. That's my stance on the matter. 

 

 

[APCGrayLocked]

Starlove said:

 

No, it's not, rarity is a huge part of the leaderboard and a huge motivational factor as to why people sign up on this website, in particular, there is even a rarity leaderboard. Obviously there are different layers to rarity, but be it through grind, difficulty, PS plus etc, all are relevant. My comparison IS valid, people who abuse this cheat pretty much are put on the same level as the people who didn't, which isn't fair. 

Nope. The main reason why we're all here it's because this and the other site (that i cannot mention because of the competition between them) are the main places where you can find the global and local leaderboards and compete to be the number 1 or one of the bests. And that's it. The rarity thing is just a plus, only a small chunk of people actually cares about having rare trophies. For the rest, it's a matter of accumulating to level up and entering in the Big Leagues.
 

I care very little for who you have respect, I also don't care that the real professional gamers don't care about trophies at this is simply irrelevant to what I am saying. Trophies is a hobby first and foremost. You are lacking respect and self-awareness by ignoring a whole player base who do earn trophies solely based on their merit and difficulty.

You don't care about the Legends and the Real Pro Gamers and yet, you still talking about disrespecting. Funny :). For the second part, i play a game for myself and in my own way and, when it's possible, i use every trick to quickly finish the platinum. I don't play a game in a specific way because a "whole player base" has played it in that way and i must do the same, or i will disrespect them (what?). And as i said before, the pros understand that there are people who aren't interested in the challenge. So, even this point of yours falls off the cliff.

Because of players like you who can't do things legitimately, you are put in the same bracket / percentage as people who did, therefore diminishing their actual efforts. You see, the rarity is no longer a legit reflection because of players like you, and on top of that, there is no way of really telling who used a cheat and who didn't. The Mein Leben playthrough takes like 4 hours. I completed it legitimately because I actually have some respect for the players who did as well. In not a single universe would I think to use a glitch cheapening their effort! It's crazy how self-centered people are actually thinking it's okay to do this crap. To me, it doesn't matter that it's trophies. I do not deserve it if I do not do it in an intended way. Using an invincibility glitch is NOT the intended way, therefore I won't do it. Why won't I do it? Because there are players who did and I respect those players on the very basic level of merit. Anyway, I'm not really interested in debating this bullshit. It was the same with the weirdos who used the cheat in FF9 with the jump rope. If you're too bad or too lazy to put in the effort to get a virtual trophy legitimately, then don't. That's my stance on the matter.

 

It's interesting that you say i can't do things legitimately when i told you that i've platinumed Aliens vs Predator and other hard games (OlliOlli 2 for example) and i've completed a good amount of hard games like Spelunky! or I Want To Be Human (or even Transcripted).

 

Mein Leben takes 4 hours of gameplay but there are also those cutscenes that can't be skipped for no reasons and they double the playtime so 8h. For the second part (the respecting the player's parts)... i don't give a damn :). They beat it legit? Wonderful, they are very skilled, no one will question that. But if there is a glitch that can save me some time, i will use it. And no, i'm not disrespecting them. Simply, i'm taking care of my garden :).

 

For the third part (the intended way and not deserving part)... maybe it's better that you take a cup of tea. It's almost an obsession for you. Seriously, no one cares about the "intended way". In those terms, boosting is also against the "intended way" to obtain the online trophies. So, putting in those terms, we (the boosters) are also disrespecting the players that play legit online? Because if the answer is yes, bro, all i can do is just laugh.

[ThatMuttGuy]

Who cares if this glitch exists. You can either use it or not. Nobody really cares how you get it anyway. 

[Varhur]

There's always a possibility of contacting devs and notifying them about the glitch, so they could fix it.

[Stardroid]

9 hours ago, APCGrayLocked said:

Starlove said:

Nope. The main reason why we're all here it's because this and the other site (that i cannot mention because of the competition between them) are the main places where you can find the global and local leaderboards and compete to be the number 1 or one of the bests. And that's it. The rarity thing is just a plus, only a small chunk of people actually cares about having rare trophies. For the rest, it's a matter of accumulating to level up and entering in the Big Leagues.

You don't care about the Legends and the Real Pro Gamers and yet, you still talking about disrespecting. Funny :). For the second part, i play a game for myself and in my own way and, when it's possible, i use every trick to quickly finish the platinum. I don't play a game in a specific way because a "whole player base" has played it in that way and i must do the same, or i will disrespect them (what?). And as i said before, the pros understand that there are people who aren't interested in the challenge. So, even this point of yours falls off the cliff.
 

It's interesting that you say i can't do things legitimately when i told you that i've platinumed Aliens vs Predator and other hard games (OlliOlli 2 for example) and i've completed a good amount of hard games like Spelunky! or I Want To Be Human (or even Transcripted).

 

Mein Leben takes 4 hours of gameplay but there are also those cutscenes that can't be skipped for no reasons and they double the playtime so 8h. For the second part (the respecting the player's parts)... i don't give a damn :). They beat it legit? Wonderful, they are very skilled, no one will question that. But if there is a glitch that can save me some time, i will use it. And no, i'm not disrespecting them. Simply, i'm taking care of my garden :).

 

For the third part (the intended way and not deserving part)... maybe it's better that you take a cup of tea. It's almost an obsession for you. Seriously, no one cares about the "intended way". In those terms, boosting is also against the "intended way" to obtain the online trophies. So, putting in those terms, we (the boosters) are also disrespecting the players that play legit online? Because if the answer is yes, bro, all i can do is just laugh.

Next time, actually quote me mate, so I get a notification. 

That's not the main reason I am here. Therefore your generalizing claim that we are all here for this reason is faulty and can be dismissed. Besides, the motivation of why people on this website has very little to do with the act of using this glitch and why it's a good or bad thing anyway. 

Just because I don't care about the "legends" in the trophy hunting community doesn't mean I lack respect. Another faulty reasoning. It almost seems like your type of player is prone to them, this isn't the first time arguing with players like you and it's always back and forward between terrible arguments and misrespresentations. The fact that you play a game for yourself demonstrates my point of the selfish nature your type of player wallows in. It's no secret to me at all. I see PSNprofiles as a community, which it is. So therefore, being part of the community, I also want to do decently in it. If I wanted to play for myself I wouldn't be part of a community at all.

None of the games you mentioned are difficult and none of it excuses or argues against my stance as to why using a glitch to cheapen the accomplishment of others isn't a good thing. So, like in the FF9 thread and elsewhere, can you actually stay on the ball here instead of putting forward useless fluff just to have something to respond with? I made legit points as to why I believe using a glitch like this is a bad thing. The games you have completed yourself, the nature of your own playstyle, the people you respect etc, they don't have anything to do with this. 
You are a selfish player and it again shows in your last paragraph. YOU do not care for the intended way, not me and most certainly not WE or NO ONE. Self entitled and Selfish is what I said no? And would you look at that, selfish enough to only care about himself and self entitled enough to believe his stance on this counts for everyone. 

Boosting is a grey zone, I personally wouldn't do it and am against that as well. Just because it's done and accepted, just like this glitch, doesn't mean that it's a good thing. Let's just pick any online fighting game. It has a trophy for winning 20 games in a row without quitting. One does it legit, the other one just got free wins with a boosting partner. 
Chances are high the person doing it legitimately needed time to get good at this game to acquire such a consistent streak of wins. Meanwhile the booster can be plain terrible and have the skills of a five your old. Seems fair to you? Not really to me. Doesn't seem very laughable to me either. But hey, dude. It's as you say, you do you. You can stoop down to these low levels, doesn't mean I will. You can keep tending to your own garden, for all I know this community is one big garden, not just narrow patches of plastic grass.

Edited December 10, 2019 by STARLOVE

[SatcomAngel]

29 minutes ago, STARLOVE said:

Next time, actually quote me mate, so I get a notification. 

That's not the main reason I am here. Therefore your generalizing claim that we are all here for this reason is faulty and can be dismissed. Besides, the motivation of why people on this website has very little to do with the act of using this glitch and why it's a good or bad thing anyway. 

Just because I don't care about the "legends" in the trophy hunting community doesn't mean I lack respect. Another faulty reasoning. It almost seems like your type of player is prone to them, this isn't the first time arguing with players like you and it's always back and forward between terrible arguments and misrespresentations. The fact that you play a game for yourself demonstrates my point of the selfish nature your type of player wallows in. It's no secret to me at all. I see PSNprofiles as a community, which it is. So therefore, being part of the community, I also want to do decently in it. If I wanted to play for myself I wouldn't be part of a community at all.

None of the games you mentioned are difficult and none of it excuses or argues against my stance as to why using a glitch to cheapen the accomplishment of others isn't a good thing. So, like in the FF9 thread and elsewhere, can you actually stay on the ball here instead of putting forward useless fluff just to have something to respond with? I made legit points as to why I believe using a glitch like this is a bad thing. The games you have completed yourself, the nature of your own playstyle, the people you respect etc, they don't have anything to do with this. 
You are a selfish player and it again shows in your last paragraph. YOU do not care for the intended way, not me and most certainly not WE or NO ONE. Self entitled and Selfish is what I said no? And would you look at that, selfish enough to only care about himself and self entitled enough to believe his stance on this counts for everyone. 

Boosting is a grey zone, I personally wouldn't do it and am against that as well. Just because it's done and accepted, just like this glitch, doesn't mean that it's a good thing. Let's just pick any online fighting game. It has a trophy for winning 20 games in a row without quitting. One does it legit, the other one just got free wins with a boosting partner. 
Chances are high the person doing it legitimately needed time to get good at this game to acquire such a consistent streak of wins. Meanwhile the booster can be plain terrible and have the skills of a five your old. Seems fair to you? Not really to me. Doesn't seem very laughable to me either. But hey, dude. It's as you say, you do you. You can stoop down to these low levels, doesn't mean I will. You can keep tending to your own garden, for all I know this community is one big garden, not just narrow patches of plastic grass.

 

Give it a rest.

[Stardroid]

23 minutes ago, Tropikal said:

 

Give it a rest.

Okay, but only because you asked nicely. But yeah, I'm dropping this discussion. It always ends up the same. I've made my points. If people want to slap around them, that's fine. Think I'm going to start trophy hunting myself again. Have a nice day to you and Graylocked.

[Alondate31]

To all people who argue over a video game... Oh man, you have so much free time.

 

Huge kudos to the guy who found this, though. Thanks!

[APCGrayLocked]

10 hours ago, Varhur said:

There's always a possibility of contacting devs and notifying them about the glitch, so they could fix it.

 

nope, because even if they patch it out, you can always revert to the 1.0 with the patch deleter or buy the physical edition and play offline (as i wrote in the main post).

[APCGrayLocked]

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3 hours ago, Starlove said:

 

Next time, actually quote me mate, so I get a notification.

 

i've tried to quote you last time, but everytime it gets me a long blank wall before the actual quoting. I don't know why.

 

That's not the main reason I am here. Therefore your generalizing claim that we are all here, for this reason, is faulty and can be dismissed. Besides, the motivation of why people on this website has very little to do with the act of using this glitch and why it's a good or bad thing anyway.

 

If you are here for the rarity topic, that's a thing of yours, not of us. For the second part, as you can see, the act of using this glitch interest a very good amount of people, because you know, everyone wants the plat.

 

Just because I don't care about the "legends" in the trophy hunting community doesn't mean I lack respect. Another faulty reasoning. It almost seems like your type of player is prone to them, this isn't the first time arguing with players like you and it's always back and forward between terrible arguments and misrepresentations. The fact that you play a game for yourself demonstrates my point of the selfish nature your type of player wallows in. It's no secret to me at all. I see PSN Profiles as a community, which it is. So, therefore, being part of the community, I also want to do decently in it. If I wanted to play for myself I wouldn't be part of a community at all.

 

Ah ok, so if one plays a game for himself is selfish. What i must listen, damn ?‍♂️. For the second part, ah ok, because you are a part of this community, you have the "moral duty" to play the game in a specific way and unlock the trophies in the intended way because, if not, you will misrespect everyone. WHAT? Dude, are you kidding?

 

None of the games you mentioned are difficult and none of it excuses or argues against my stance as to why using a glitch to cheapen the accomplishment of others isn't a good thing. So, like in the FF9 thread and elsewhere, can you actually stay on the ball here instead of putting forward useless fluff just to have something to respond with? I made legit points as to why I believe using a glitch like this is a bad thing. The games you have completed yourself, the nature of your own playstyle, the people you respect etc, they don't have anything to do with this.  You are a selfish player and it again shows in your last paragraph. YOU do not care for the intended way, not me and most certainly not WE or NO ONE. Is Self-entitled and Selfish is what I said no? And would you look at that, selfish enough to only care about himself and self entitled enough to believe his stance on this counts for everyone.

 

I speak for everyone because you are the only one who's arguing in this way against the use of the glitch. Even the creator of the trophy walkthrough on this site has said that understands the ones that want to use the glitch to save time or to hit the 12h platinum time indicated in the guide xD.

Ah ok, my games aren't difficult. Is interesting, because the trophy evaluations on playstationtrophies say something else).

Boosting is a grey zone, I personally wouldn't do it and am against that as well. Just because it's done and accepted, just like this glitch, doesn't mean that it's a good thing. Let's just pick any online fighting game. It has a trophy for winning 20 games in a row without quitting. One does it legit, the other one just got free wins with a boosting partner. Chances are high the person doing it legitimately needed time to get good at this game to acquire such a consistent streak of wins. Meanwhile the booster can be plain terrible and have the skills of a five your old. Seems fair to you? Not really to me. Doesn't seem very laughable to me either. But hey, dude. It's as you say, you do you. You can stoop down to these low levels, doesn't mean I will. You can keep tending to your own garden, for all I know this community is one big garden, not just narrow patches of plastic grass.

Ah even boosting is disrespecting now? XD. And for the part "seems fair to you" yes it's fair, because i want the trophy and the other wants to play online and become very good (or even a Pro) and doesn't give a shit about the trophy.

 

You are the classic type of gamer that fails to split up the Trophy Hunting from the General Gaming. That's all.

Edited December 10, 2019 by APCGrayLocked
another problem in the quoting

[Akrioz]

This thread turned into something like "Speedruns with glitched aren't true speedruns" kind of thing. Some people always feel the need to point out their strong disagreement with something that is accepted in the community.  All the methods of trophyhunting are allowed, who are we to judge how people approach them. 

 

Meanwhile I am just glad that more people will play this masterpiece of a game(my game of the decade) and won't be afraid of a very hard platinum. Honestly, I would preffered if the trophy list was the same as a PC version. I personally dislike boss-rushes as a thing. They are mostly long and tedious. You spend twenty minutes killing  punching bags to just die again on your nemesis. Good thing the Hall of Gods exists in this game. 

[Spinosaurus Rex]

This is the same situation as with Celeste, which is basically invincibility mode designed on purpose. Few people, including me, bitched about it a lot (it took one of my most anticipated game all the way down to bottom pile of games "to buy on a gigantic sale"), and yet the most praised opinions was like "screw trophies, just play the game". Yes, on trophy hunting website. So I decided to never rant about this again.

 

I understand both sides, however. In Hollow Knight case, I'm with @APCGrayLocked as I didn't find the game that incredible to spend countless hours on practicing bosses for all pantheons. I still have put a good amount of time into it (about 40 hours, because game is so big and I was trying to figure things myself for most part).

 

But on the other side, I understand other people being annoyed by those who got this plat with exploit. If suddenly Super Meat Boy would allow to get Impossible Boy without too much trouble (as on Steam version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g_KQrT6BPQ), I'd also be pissed off... But because using glitches (even used intentionally) are allowed here, why do anybody who want platinum only has to care? Blame the game, not the players.

 

And if somebody want a bragging rights platinum to put in his showcase, maybe he should go for a game which doesn't allow any workarounds.

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by Spinosaurus Rex

[Stardroid]

The classical misrepresentation has started once again. 

1. You do not speak for everyone as the start of this thread has shown there are plenty of people who are also against this glitch. 
2. Nowhere in my post does it say that boosting is disrespecting. I am talking in terms of fair and unfair on level playing fields. 
3. I am not talking about you playing a video games as being selfish. I am talking about people on a trophy hunting website pretending their way is the only way and there is nothing wrong with this. 

You have been deliberate in ignoring the points I am actually making here so I will summarize it for you, one last time and it's also the last time I will post in this topic because let's be honest here, both our time is spent better on other things. 

This is my actual stance on using the glitch in the context of trophy hunting: 

 

I believe it isn't fair towards the people who completed this game legitimately. I think this is not getting the trophy the intended way. The developer of this game did not implement an invincibility mode, it is achieved through a glitch. Beating the Pantheon was not supposed to be beaten with absolute invincibility. Beating the Pantheon with this glitch makes it so the trophy becomes meaningless and so does achieving it. You may as well use someone else's save file to unlock it, it is exactly the same in terms of effort. And thus I come to the conclusion that people who go for completion, no matter how, are just weird. I play games for completion too, but I do like to think that I actually did it through my own effort and in some cases, skill. Is there anything wrong with this stance? I don't think so. Let's take Super Meat Boy for example. Not even that difficult to platinum but okay, considered one of the more difficult plats. 

 

Now, you come along and share this glitch where Meat Boy just can't die, making it so every player can effortlessly complete all the worlds without dying. This devalues what is considered a hard platinum and as the word gets out, the once prestigious platinum of SMB becomes insignificant. I don't believe this is fair towards the people who were good enough at the game to complete it legitimately, which is why I would never use a glitch like that because: 

 

1. Who am I fooling? I haven't achieved fuck all. There is no achievement in doing all worlds with no deaths when you can't die
2. The players who did achieve such a thing their achievement lost value as it's just a trophy everyone can get and maybe they used the glitch too. 

What is there to argue against this? Even if you are playing only for completion, that is not an argument at all against what I am saying. You know, there is a simple fix for completion in that case. You don't have to play the game! If I was a 100 percent profile kind of guy, and SMB had this glitch, I would simply not play SMB! That's also not difficult to understand. I think it may be you who has a difficult time understanding that going for 100 percent no matter what and feeling a sense of satisfaction by obtaining what is considered a difficult trophy are two different things too. I know I am unfortunately in the minority here, though. Because a lot of people play garbage games to obtain trophies, some don't even buy games because no platinum, they don't buy it because too difficult of a trophy list. These people just pay money for trophies basically these days. I am just someone who likes to get trophies because they mean you have achieved something in the game, even better when it's achieving a feat not a lot of players can or won't do due to the challenge. And so, I don't like it when that's being devalued, and there are others like me too, but they are a minority. Just don't pretend you speak for everyone, you don't. What a guide writer says, also doesn't matter, it changes nothing. At the end of the day the difference between players like me and players like you is that you value getting the trophy itself more than the merrit/skill/time behind it. You can see what kind of player I am then. Don't see anything wrong with that.

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This to me is why trophy hunting is not really enjoyable anymore. Me and a lot of other players enjoy trophies for the challenges they can bring. Not to buy 40 easy 20 minute platinum games to fill our profiles. You want to be a purely 100 percent achiever? Cool. That doesn't mean you have to play these games and use these glitches. 
That is my final say on this matter. I believe trophies should be earned in the intended way. Do I have something against players that don't do this? Not necessarily. But I do think it's fishy and questionable. But don't worry, I won't call the cops on them. But to me, it seems the people that don't buy games because trophy list too hard, or no trophy list etc are the true people who takes trophies too seriously. I never didn't buy a game because X trophy list. Even in this thread there are people saying they are happy this glitch is here because now more people will try the game! How obsessed with trophies can one be? Certainly more obsessed than the people that have the crazy idea in enjoying challenging trophies and disliking it when people devalue that achievement. 

Anyway, that's the end of this saga for me and probably having these sorts of discussions altogether. It's clear that the majority of players just want some easy fix and have no difficulty in obtaining virtual points by any means necessary. I may as well be shouting at a wall. Don't think I've been unreasonable, because I understand how you approach trophies, I just don't think it's particularly nice. That being said, I wish you the best, have a nice evening and have fun playing games, most importantly.

Edited December 10, 2019 by STARLOVE

[APCGrayLocked]

7 hours ago, STARLOVE said:

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, STARLOVE said:

 

 

1. You do not speak for everyone as the start of this thread has shown there are plenty of people who are also against this glitch.

 

Those plenties of people were blasted off by another good chunk of people eh. Balance.

2. Nowhere in my post does it say that boosting is disrespecting. I am talking in terms of fair and unfair on level playing fields. 

 

Be unfair and be disrespectful are synonyms in your argumentations you know?

3. I am talking about people on a trophy hunting website pretending their way is the only way and there is nothing wrong with this. 

 

Nobody here said that glitching the trophies are the only pretending way, Starlove. From the start of this topic (as i wrote) no one will complain if someone do the trophy legit, and nobody must complain if someone use the glitch to reach the same goal (unlock the trophy).

This is my actual stance on using the glitch in the context of trophy hunting: 

 

1. I believe it isn't fair towards the people who completed this game legitimately. And again, why isn't fair? We unlock the trophy more easily, and they unlocked it legit, increasing their gaming skills. Everyone wins.

 

2. I think this is not getting the trophy the intended way. Captain Obviously. It's obvious that this is not the intended way, but we don't give a damn about that. Boosting is not the intended way to obtain online trophies. And still, we boosting regardless because i repeat, we don't give a damn about that.

 

Beating the Pantheon with this glitch makes it the trophy become meaningless in achieving it.

 

Meaningless because his deprivated of his hard nature, but it's not meaningless in the general scheme, because 1. is a gold trophy. 2. is required for the platinum the we all want.

 

I play games for completion too, but I do like to think that I actually did it through my own effort and in some cases, skill. Is there anything wrong with this stance? I don't think so.

 

No there isn't something wrong in your sentence. What is wrong is your complaint about us who want to use the glitch to save some precious time (in my case) or because we are not that skilled to beat legit the 3 exclusive bosses (Pure Vessel and Absolute Radiance mainly) but want the platinum anyway.

 

Let's take Super Meat Boy for example. Not even that difficult to platinum but okay, considered one of the more difficult plats. Now, you come along and share this glitch where Meat Boy just can't die, making it so every player can effortlessly complete all the worlds without dying. This devalues what is considered a hard platinum and as the word gets out, the once prestigious platinum of SMB becomes insignificant. I don't believe this is fair towards the people who were good enough at the game to complete it legitimately, which is why I would never use a glitch like that.

 

It will be a miracle if there was a glitch to render invincible the Meat Boy (although i would recommend using it just for Zombie and Impossible Boy runs, the most difficult ones). And yes, the glitch would devalue the plat and render it (from your point of view) insignificant but for us, the trophy hunters, it will not matter because it will be another platinum to the pile added (and in my case, a glitch will save so many hours of attempt for Impossible Boy). For the fair thing, once again, there is no connection. They have done it legit, we have done it with the glitch. Everyone wins (morally, the legit guys win too).

If you are playing only for completion, that is not an argument at all against what I am saying. You know, there is a simple fix for completion in that case... You don't have to play the game! If I was a 100 percent profile kind of guy, and SMB had this glitch, I would simply not play SMB! That's also not difficult to understand. I think it may be you who has a difficult time understanding that going for 100 percent no matter what and feeling a sense of satisfaction by obtaining what is considered a difficult trophy are two different things too.

 

Ah ok, i'm interested in playing the game (because i like the graphics, the story, the gameplay, etc) but because on the trophies that i can theoretically not unlock, i must not play it completely? What? And no, i don't have a hard time understanding at all, because i can perfectly divide the Trophy Hunter thing from the General Gaming thing.

 

I know I am unfortunately in the minority here, though. I am just someone who likes to get trophies because they mean you have achieved something in the game, even better when it's achieving a feat not a lot of players can or won't do due to the challenge. And so, I don't like it when that's being devalued, and there are others like me too, but they are a minority. Just don't pretend you speak for everyone, you don't. At the end of the day the difference between players like me and players like you is that you value getting the trophy itself more than the merit/skill/time behind it. You can see what kind of player I am then. Don't see anything wrong with that.

 

I speak for everyone because i repeat, YOU are the only one who is arguing very hard against something that is accepted in the community (using a glitch). And i repeat: the skill is not seen by a trophy. If you don't accept it, that's not my problem.

I believe trophies should be earned in the intended way. Do I have something against players that don't do this? Not necessarily. But I do think it's fishy and questionable. But don't worry, I won't call the cops on them.

 

No is not questionable. You can't criticize how people decide to do the trophies (hacking and downloaded saves excluded). Everyone is free to do whatever they want (using a glitch, using a bug, using the debug menu, boosting, etc). Again, if you simply divide the trophy hunting from general gaming, you will no more problems (because your complaint is absolutely sharable in a general gaming discussion).

 

The people that don't buy games because trophy list too hard, or no trophy list etc are the true people who take trophies too seriously. I never didn't buy a game because X trophy list. Even in this thread, there are people saying they are happy this glitch is here because now more people will try the game! How obsessed with trophies can one be?

 

On this i agree with you. I don't like the people that don't play a game because "there is no plat" or "no trophy list" (like Captain Spirit) or "hard trophies".

I may as well be shouting at a wall. Don't think I've been unreasonable, because I understand how you approach trophies, I just don't think it's particularly nice. That being said, I wish you the best, have a nice evening and have fun playing games, most importantly.

 

Have a nice evening too and have fun too while playing.

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by APCGrayLocked

[Arcesius]

I originally wanted to participate in the discussion, but the points made by @STARLOVE have been so blatantly ignored that I don't think it is worth arguing. Still, there are a couple of things that I want to say, @APCGrayLocked

• It doesn't matter how many people agree with your views. When you make a post here, you speak only for yourself. We all do.
   
• It is not about separating "trophy hunting" from "general gaming". Players like STARLOVE and myself also do trophy hunt, we just have a different approach to it. You seem to care about inflating your trophy count, your number of platinums, and don't seem to care about how you achieve those numbers. And that's fine! You try to go up the leaderboards, which are a big part of this site. 
  
  Myself, I don't give a shit about my number of platinums or the leaderboards. I like to complete games that either require some effort and skill, or games that I'm generally interested in. 
  Now, using glitches like the one for Hollow Knight devalues my way of trophy hunting in the same way that the 5-minute Ratalaika stacks has devalued yours. That's not to say that I would not have played Hollow Knight had I known about this glitch earlier, but it still heavily devalues this platinum trophy for me personally, since by looking at my profile you cannot tell whether I did this one legit or not. 
  
  In any case, trophy hunting is not exclusively about getting as many trophies as you can. That's only one way to trophy hunt, but this site is more than just the leaderboards. There are so many statistics to keep track of, and many ways to pursue this hobby. 
   
• You keep saying that you only used the glitch to "save some time". Well, that might be the case, but how the fuck can I or even you yourself know whether you even could develop the skill to get the trophy legit? There is no way of telling, now is there? 
  Now thing is, I do care about my own skill, and I don't like that it can be questioned whether I got the plat legit or using the glitch. That's all. 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2019 by Arcesius

[APCGrayLocked]

1 hour ago, Arcesius said:

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Arcesius said:

 

 

It doesn't matter how many people agree with your views. When you make a post here, you speak only for yourself. We all do.

The number of hearts that i received in various posts in this topic, tells something else.

 

It is not about separating "trophy hunting" from "general gaming". Players like STARLOVE and myself also do trophy hunt, we just have a different approach to it. You seem to care about inflating your trophy count, your number of platinums, and don't seem to care about how you achieve those numbers. And that's fine! You try to go up the leaderboards, which are a big part of this site.

Actually i play the games that i like and i platinum (and 100%) everything because i'm a completionist for nature. If i wanted to climb up the leaderboards, i would put on Hannah Montana, Shrek, Mayo, etc. But i don't like those games and i'm not interested in doing a game just for a fast +1. And yes, i like the Ratalaika games (before you ask me that). Some of them are really nice and some others are very good like "I Am The Hero".

 

I don't give a shit about my number of platinums or the leaderboards. I like to complete games that either requires some effort and skill, or games that I'm generally interested in. Now, using glitches like the one for Hollow Knight devalues my way of trophy hunting in the same way that the 5-minute Ratalaika stacks have devalued yours. That's not to say that I would not have played Hollow Knight had I known about this glitch earlier, but it still heavily devalues this platinum trophy for me personally, since by looking at my profile you cannot tell whether I did this one legit or not. In any case, trophy hunting is not exclusively about getting as many trophies as you can. That's only one way to trophy hunt, but this site is more than just the leaderboards. There are so many statistics to keep track of, and many ways to pursue this hobby.

For the devaluing part, once again, you have obtained the trophy legit and we have used the glitch to achieve the same thing. We have obtained the trophy, you have beated the Pantheon legit and increased your skills. Everyone wins. It's not that difficult to understand (once again, divide trophy hunting from general gaming and no problems anymore). For the trophy hunting and this site, actually no. Trophy Hunting, for the majority of people, is getting as many trophies as they could (and that's why they do the stacks) and climb the leaderboards to be in the Big Leagues (the first 5-10 places). The thing that you do it's not trophy hunting. The thing that you do is the same that i do: playing a game and complete it. The difference between you and me is that you do everything legit, and i use the glitches/shortcuts when they are available to save some precious time (because i have tons of other games to play and i cannot stay on a single game for 1 month or more because i have a life too, you know?). If i hadn't an immense backlog, i would have done the Pantheon legit. If you don't believe me, it's not my problem. There is a thing that is called TRUST and trust me, when i say those things because i don't like to lie to people. I like to share everything i know to help everyone and be, in general, helpful. Every time i've used a glitch or a walkthrough to platinum a game, i always tell that, because, again, i'm not a liar and i don't have to demonstrate anything. I know where i can shine, and where i can be in serious trouble (gaming skills talking here).

Edited December 11, 2019 by APCGrayLocked

[JoocyMan]

This is big succ.

Glitch = P L E B

No Glitch = C H A D

Thank you for your time.

[starcrunch061]

On 12/10/2019 at 3:22 AM, Alondate31 said:

To all people who argue over a video game... Oh man, you have so much free time.

 

Given that we're posting on a message board about video games, I'd say we have an abundance of free time.

[guilty_pazz]

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Edited April 4, 2020 by guilty_pazz
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[linkdevivo]

does the glitch still work or has it been patched?

[APCGrayLocked]

15 hours ago, linkdevivo said:

does the glitch still work or has it been patched?

 

glitch is still working and i doubt that they will patch it. You can even buy the retail version and play offline and do the glitch if they will release a patch.