Can we please get an option to get rid of the "H" for hidden games?

[TheRedMaverick]

I didn't even know the blue H existed until I stumbled upon this thread lol

[EmperorZetta]

5 hours ago, starcrunch061 said:

Ah, the scarlet letter...which is blue. 

 

The Azure Letter!

[starcrunch061]

1 hour ago, kevao97 said:

 

"Oh, but that would hurt the stats" that's not my problem or anyone else's who decides to hide trophies for whatever reason.

Jesus, please learn to respect the privacy of others, some things don't even need explanation because they should be obvious...

But, can’t you make your entire profile here private? In other words, can’t you simply remove your profile from public viewing altogether? I certainly see many profiles that say they’re private.

 

If I’m wrong about this, feel free to correct me, but assuming this is true, I don’t get your “respect privacy” argument. You can have your privacy. However, what you don’t have is the ability to display your trophies publicly in the way you desire.

 

And don’t get me wrong - if that bothers you, then it bothers you. But it seems to me that the appropriate response would be to make your entire profile private here, and use the services of another site that displays trophies as you would like (such as the Brazilian site that you cite later). As far as I know, that doesn’t restrict your ability to post here or the like.

 

[sepheroithisgod]

I think the real problem is the negative stigma it makes.

 

Most people look at the H and immediately assume they cheated. I actually think they should add a specific mark on an account in the same area, like an asterisk or a red C for Cheater, that denotes anyone who had to hide a game due to a flag. That way it clears up the negative reputation an H has on an account.

[AusLeviathan]

I think it's bizarre that getting one trophy on a terrible game you don't want to continue playing (and many terrible games will pop that trophy within minutes of starting to play the game, almost like they're taunting you) means you have to either accept it on your profile or be lumped in with all the cheaters hiding their games.

 

That said since we're stuck with it I reckon we should add more letters to be fair and make sure everyone is on the same playing field.

 

An A for anyone who autopops trophies.

A B for anyone who admits they paid people to get them some trophies or boosted trophies in a session advertised on this website.

A S for anyone who buys multiple stacks of the same game from different regions.

A T for anyone who's using a team profile.

 

Then we can all spend all day scrutinizing each others profiles until only a small few of us are left without a letter on our profile, those who remain without a letter shall be the real winners.

Edited April 5, 2022 by AusLeviathan

[Deadly_Ha_Ha]

20 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

I reckon 

You know, I wouldn't even oppose those letters. Nice suggestion!

 

Actually, let's change B a little so it doesn't include me for having used a boosting session [winky_face]

Edited April 6, 2022 by Deadly_Ha_Ha

[JourneySilvers]

51 minutes ago, sepheroithisgod said:

I think the real problem is the negative stigma it makes.

 

Most people look at the H and immediately assume they cheated. I actually think they should add a specific mark on an account in the same area, like an asterisk or a red C for Cheater, that denotes anyone who had to hide a game due to a flag. That way it clears up the negative reputation an H has on an account.

This really hits the nail on the head imo. The only "real" problem with the H is that other people may judge you as a cheater for it. Theres no reason to be ashamed of the H other than that. 

Having a separate marker for a cheater would clear that up I would think. 

 

My nephew logged onto my account once by accident and played COD, so having that on my profile kinda sucks. I'm not a huge completionist so it doesnt bother me enough to hide it, but it is a slight annoyance that something exists on my account that wasn't my own experience. I totally get why some people would want to hide games/lists with good intentions. No judgement for H accounts from me.

[KennethMcCormick]

1 hour ago, AusLeviathan said:

Then we can all spend all day scrutinizing each others profiles until only a small few of us are left without a letter on our profile, those who remain without a letter shall be the real winners.

 

Totally agree. Those would definitely deserve a W.

[You]

Oh man, this is an even worse "feature request" than the guy who wants online trophies for games to be permanently deleted from the site (white listed) because the trophies are now unobtainable. The lengths people will go too to change reality. It's kinda impressive in a way.

 

Showing that trophies are hidden is good. "Why would you want to hide it?" Is a good question.

There's a guy on the leaderboards who has something like 40000 or more trophies and ONE hidden trophy (despite having over 10000 unearned trophies)

 

Not dodgy at all that. lol.

 

5 hours ago, kevao97 said:

Not gonna lie - it's a massive abuse of privacy for this site to have access to how many trophies you've hidden and it shouldn't be that way. 

In fact, people shouldn't even know you've hidden a trophy. The option becomes useless, obsolete, counterproductive at that point.

 

I only use this site and nowhere else. This means if implemented, I could just hide all 100 games on my profile that aren't 100%

 

AND HEY PRESTO I'M NOW IN THE 100% CLUB BOYSSS

 

YEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!

 

Oh, what's that you say? I've hidden some trophies and am just faking it?

 

No way mate, look at the site it says 100% and there isn't a H next to my name.

I'm in the 100% club just like you lot! And I don't have any shit games on my account.

 

Whataaaa? You saw my profile before I hid all my games?! That isn't true!

 

HOW DARE YOU! THAT'S AN INVASION AND MASSIVE ABUSE OF MY PRIVACY!!!!!

 

etc

Edited April 6, 2022 by enaysoft

[DeepEyes7]

People wanting to remove the trophy lists they want...

People wanting to legit hacked trophies for unattainable mp trophies...

People wanting to hide the fact that they have hidden trophies...

And at the end they always say... I don't care what everyone else think about my trophy list...

 

 

People love to have fake accounts...

 

Edited April 6, 2022 by DeepEyes7

[You]

25 minutes ago, DeepEyes7 said:

People wanting to remove the trophy lists they want...

People wanting to legit hacked trophies for unattainable mp trophies...

People wanting to hide the fact that they have hidden trophies...

And at the end they always say... I don't care what everyone else think about my trophy list...

 

 

People love to have fake accounts...

 

 

And don't forgot the elephant in the room (which is already legit) which is to have a high ranking account by playing as many easy games as possible.

 

Can you image the headache the cheating team will have if this feature is allowed?

 

"user has been flagged for cheating"

"what game?"

"Oh yes sorry there's nothing to see here is there, I guess you weren't cheating and you don't have H next to name, well then nothing to see here. Clearly innocent"

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, enaysoft said:

HOW DARE YOU! THAT'S AN INVASION AND MASSIVE ABUSE OF MY PRIVACY!!!!!

I consider you a pretty honest guy in your opinions, but now you seem to be purposely missing the point since you quoted me.

At no time did I comment on the "100% club" or people who would make 100% fake accounts with this function. that was never my point and i don't care about this matter of accounts 100%.

 

Please show me why there is a feature where you can hide trophies if that feature becomes useless once people know you have hidden trophies. Why hide trophies then? just give me a reason because I fail to see any.

If I want to hide trophies, then I don't want anyone to know about such trophies. You need to understand that this is a third party site, and the original function is a PSN function.

 

All you're saying are secondary issues, they're issues that are not pertinent to the privacy point. 100% club, stats and whatever are irrelevant issues as they are a third party.

It would be so much nicer if any of you were honest and said "ok, it's a clear violation of privacy, but it's acceptable for a bigger reason" but you don't.

 

So I ask again: why would anyone decide to use the trophy hide function if it is fundamentally useless, as its original purpose is annihilated?

 

It is quite obvious and expected that the vast majority of people here will disagree with me or not understand (or pretend not to understand) my point, precisely because it is a site where they value statistics and competition.

Edited April 6, 2022 by kevao97

[You]

Just now, kevao97 said:

Please show me why there is a feature where you can hide trophies if that feature becomes useless once people know you have hidden trophies. Why hide trophies then? just give me a reason why I fail to see any.

 

Very easy to answer.

 

The feature to hide trophies is a feature by Sony. This site has nothing to do with Sony.

 

This site collects the data from your PSN account but *ONLY* if you have your privacy settings public, which you set yourself on your PSN account, or else this site won't display it.

 

The moment you open this display publicly is the moment you cannot complain privacy invasion. You can't have your cake and eat it.

 

Anyway, the obvious reason for the H mark.

 

It's used to help prevent cheating, and it's doing a good job, not perfect of course. It would be otherwise chaos without it though.

 

Sure, your cousin might have come around to your house and played 5 minutes of Barbie's Horse Adventure and you're embarrassed by the trophy. How hard can it be to log out of your Playstation account and disable your password/auto login / or pack away your Playstation when you have guests over to prevent this happening.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

 

Very easy to answer.

 

The feature to hide trophies is a feature by Sony. This site has nothing to do with Sony.

 

This site collects the data from your PSN account but *ONLY* if you have your privacy settings public, which you set yourself on your PSN account, or else this site won't display it.

 

The moment you open this display publicly is the moment you cannot complain privacy invasion. You can't have your cake and eat it.

 

Anyway, the obvious reason for the H mark.

 

It's used to help prevent cheating, and it's doing a good job, not perfect of course. It would be otherwise chaos without it though.

 

Sure, your cousin might have come around to your house and played 5 minutes of Barbie's Horse Adventure and you're embarrassed by the trophy. How hard can it be to log out of your Playstation account and disable your password/auto login / or pack away your Playstation when you have guests over to prevent this happening.

I don't see it that way for the reason I've already said. If Sony itself is capable of hiding its trophies, so could this site. It's an invasion of privacy from the moment you've decided not to show it anymore, and the site should adapt to your decision, in a binary way.

 

I mentioned a site that acts this way.

Cheaters, or any other motive you put forward, are secondary issues to this one.

 

It's funny to talk about privacy these days, because it practically doesn't even exist anymore anyway, regardless of your choices and preferences.

28 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

The moment you open this display publicly is the moment you cannot complain privacy invasion

You treat it very absolute, like kill or be killed.

You initially decided that your trophies should be public, so there is no going back on that decision. it's hilarious

 

Edit: And actually, you didn't answer my question.

The privacy issue is about trophies already won, not about being completely private.

Specifically hiding earned trophies, the function that deals with that.

There is no reason to hide trophies (already earned) if they remain visible in some way. You've evaded the question, because in fact there's no point in hiding the trophy if it still exists somehow. There is no answer to that

Edited April 6, 2022 by kevao97

[You]

6 minutes ago, kevao97 said:

I don't see it that way for the reason I've already said. If Sony itself is capable of hiding its trophies, so could this site. It's an invasion of privacy from the moment you've decided not to show it anymore, and the site should adapt to your decision, in a binary way.

 

Well I don't see it that way for the reason I've already said. I accept your opinion as valid, as it's your opinion, it's fine for you to have it.

Your argument falls flat though for the many reasons people have posted in this thread.

 

Anyway, it's definitely not an invasion of privacy because the hidden games you chose to hide are still hidden on this site. If THOSE games did appear as well, then yeah I'd have to agree with you there.

 

If you want to hide the fact you are hiding, then well, why not go the full hog and just hide yourself from the entire site?

[Helyx]

4 hours ago, AusLeviathan said:

An A for anyone who autopops trophies.

A B for anyone who admits they paid people to get them some trophies or boosted trophies in a session advertised on this website.

A S for anyone who buys multiple stacks of the same game from different regions.

 

An A because Outriders auto-popped everything on my PS5 after playing on PS4. Fuck me, right?

A B because I had a boosting session at one point (dumb to lump that in with buying trophies). Fuck me, right?

An S because I stacked Demon's Souls 3 times on PS3 and again on PS5. Fuck me, right?

[KenjiCBZ]

I wish it was removed too but I'd rather have that H than Trophies I don't feel like mine. There should really be a distinction between hacked/hidden and just hidden Trophies.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

Well I don't see it that way for the reason I've already said. I accept your opinion as valid, as it's your opinion, it's fine for you to have it.

for sure you too

 

7 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

Your argument falls flat though for the many reasons people have posted in this thread.

 

Anyway, it's definitely not an invasion of privacy because the hidden games you chose to hide are still hidden on this site. If THOSE games did appear as well, then yeah I'd have to agree with you there.

It's curious how not to see the error when there is a clarification on your profile, basically pointing out loud and clear: "this user has hidden trophies". it's simply wtf to me as someone doesn't see the error.

 

Ask anyone who hides trophies if they would like other people to know this.

11 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

If you want to hide the fact you are hiding, then well, why not go the full hog and just hide yourself from the entire site?

Probably many people do this. I'm not the type to hide trophies, I'm just debating the problem I see.

Hiding the entire profile is a very absolute action for a small issue that shouldn't even exist.

[steel6burgh]

7 hours ago, kevao97 said:

There is a huge difference in what you said and what I said. First, you consent to having the public part of your profile on this website. In the second, no. It's quite simple.

 

The option to hide trophies exists for a reason, and since third parties violate this privacy, there is absolutely no argument that legitimizes this violation.

No website or people should have access to how many trophies you have hidden.

 

"Oh, but that would hurt the stats" that's not my problem or anyone else's who decides to hide trophies for whatever reason.

Jesus, please learn to respect the privacy of others, some things don't even need explanation because they should be obvious...

The thing is though you don't have to use the website.  You agree to it then it's not an invasion of privacy.  

 

Porno is an invasion of privacy too until you sign a contract and then you're screwed everyone gets to watch.  You can easily just take your account off the site and that problem is solved.  Trust me i'm big on privacy so i understand your concern but this is a choice you don't like it you got options.  

 

Showing that people have hidden games serves a purpose and people hide games for all sorts of reasons.  Maybe Sony should just take away the ability to hide games i mean what are we hiding anyway.  these are some real 1st world problems we're debating here.

[steel6burgh]

Just in the last two days someone wants to have the option to delete all their games and someone else doesn't want the H to show for hiding them.  Good god i'm glad we don't make changes around here often because the whole system would be transformed to the point there was no originality in anybody's list and what fun would that be?  Part of the excitement is the unknown.  will I be a able to finish this game?   Am i skilled enough?  Tried for month to beat that last level and finally did, what a accomplishment!! 

 

On the other hand i could try whatever i want and if i fail just hide it or delete it no consequence....or glory!

Edited April 6, 2022 by steel6burgh

[You]

So right now 90,000 cheaters have been removed but how many of them were not cheaters or people who are just like, hmm nah I don't care about the leadersboards, I cheated on a trophy or got glitched. Oh well who cares, etc. Removing the H means that people who didn't want to hide their trophies, well now they have the option since they can literally hide any mistakes, intentional or unintentional. Most of those people should be allowed back in under these rules being proposed.

 

Also, you can't cherry pick which games can be white listed because then they because prime targets of actual cheating. Grand Theft Auto 5 is notorious for hacked lobbies. So let's say we whitelist that game because genuinely a lot of people had to had their list due to joining hacked lobbies.

 

"Oh cool I can autopop a ton of trophies on Sound Shapes as it's a feature, I can get 3 stacks for the price of 1 on Fall Guys as it's a feature by the devs, and now I can cheat on the Grand Theft Auto 5 because that game has been whitelisted. It's time for me "Accidentally fall into a hacked lobby". Oh man, that sucks, oh well. I got those trophies without putting in the effort, but nobody will ever know.... Tee hee hee. No need to hide that game on my list or worry about getting caught since it's a feature! lmao"

 

Who is the judge to say whether that trophy was hacked by you or you happen to get from some hacked lobby somewhere, it's impossible to know even today.

 

Right now cheaters exist all over the leaderboard, it's just they have been clever in covering their tracks, but with this new rule in place if they fuck up trophy stamps no problem, just hide the game and move on before anyone ever noticed. Who would know? The H being hidden would mean there is no risk.

 

The leaderboard system is a joke now, but some of the "features" being requested lately will only make it worse.

Edited April 6, 2022 by enaysoft

[skotafactor]

Wait, you guys look at other people’s trophy lists? I’m just staring at my own profile all day like a dumbass. I don’t mind the H. I’d rather reserve the E’s and D’s on my profile for games I know I want to return to rather than cluttering it up with games I tried once. 
 

If people actually visit my profile and assume I’m cheater because I like to keep it neat and tidy, big whoop. People can just as easily manipulate their profile percentage by playing a bunch of 5min shovelware platinums to offset the AAA games they never finished. 

[AusLeviathan]

39 minutes ago, Helyx said:

 

An A because Outriders auto-popped everything on my PS5 after playing on PS4. Fuck me, right?

A B because I had a boosting session at one point (dumb to lump that in with buying trophies). Fuck me, right?

An S because I stacked Demon's Souls 3 times on PS3 and again on PS5. Fuck me, right?

That's right, let's get all those trophies removed from the Leaderboad, would be interesting to know what percentage of trophies counted on this site weren't actually earned legitimately.

[Helyx]

14 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

That's right, let's get all those trophies removed from the Leaderboad, would be interesting to know what percentage of trophies counted on this site weren't actually earned legitimately.

 

Auto-pops, boosted multiplayer trophies and region/platform stacks aren't legit anymore y'all. Fucking hell.

[AusLeviathan]

8 minutes ago, Helyx said:

Auto-pops, boosted multiplayer trophies and region/platform stacks aren't legit anymore y'all. Fucking hell.

Also 5 minute long easy Platinum's, we should remove those as well.

Edited April 6, 2022 by AusLeviathan