Trophy Thoughts

[ThatMuttGuy]

5 hours ago, SnowNinjaRaccoon said:

Nobody ever said that it was impossible to be done in one playthrough.

Collectible guide is its own thing for completionists, not just for the platinum, so I don't see the point of your statement. It is not even necessary to follow a guide for the collectibles, we made one so people can check where to find stuff they are missing - we could have stopped at the required number of collectibles, but we didn't -  for completion's sake.

 

You get a trophy for new game+, we are on a trophy website, you want to recommend people to avoid doing a ng+ run so they miss their trophy?

 

Just let people have options, jfc. Maybe someone wants to get the plat in one playthrough and play NG+ months later if they add more DLC. 

 

More options = better. 

[AlonMercer]

On 4/26/2024 at 1:24 AM, Grunking1212 said:

Those claims are false. There’s already new footage showing the bunny suit in new game plus is censored as well. Just give it a week all of the facts will show the truth. I’m gonna play the game unpatched until a certain point to play new game plus. Just really sick of the constant lies from game companies these days.

Yeah, it's definitely been tampered with. I plan on buying the game anyway but censorship is never something I'll approve of. The discussion about it online has been horrible honestly. You got people in one camp denying that it's been censored, who, upon having it be proven to them, then move the goal posts, saying "Ok it has been but why do you even care, it's just a bit of cloth. It's only one outfit! Okay, it's only two outfits! Okay, it's only six outfits! The gore is toned down? Stop complaining!" 

 

And the other camp is "THIS GAME IS RUINED, THE EAST IS LOST, BOYCOTT THIS GAME!" 

 

It's ridiculous. My take is that yes, censorship is happening. Yes, it's bad. Yes, Shift Up lied (or were forced at the last minute to alter outfits and tone the gore down by Sony). However, I think boycotting the game over it is an overreaction. The game is still fundamentally the same game after all. Why miss out on a great game because of some skin being covered up? However, let me make it clear once more that on principal I oppose the changes. They promised it'd be uncensored and yet, when playing on the current patch, it isn't.

 

It is when you play the game on disc without an Internet connection, however. So buy it on disc and play it that way. Physical media FTW! You know that already of course, just putting it out there for anyone else who has an issue with what's going on. 

 

April 30th Edit: I just saw in the thread about the censorship, a guy claiming it's just one outfit. Can people stop lying about this, already? This is what frustrates me, the people generalizing folks and acting in bad faith.

 

To that guy, who I won't name: you can disagree, but don't lie, it's really scummy. Not everyone complaining is some porn addict, obviously. It was NEVER about the cloth, you disingenuous... anyway. Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. 

Edited April 30 by AlonMercer

[Optinooby]

 A little tip for those jumps that require double jump before you unlock it, there is a skill in the 1st tree, aerial slash or something. That skill lets you jump in the air and press triangle for a jumping attack.

 

Well that skill gives you a little more height and i've been able to use it to reach lots of spots in the Wasteland which are usually out of reach due to double jump.

 

Sometimes a jump and dash allows you to grab a ledge as well which a jump by itself wont usually do.

 

I didn't learn this until the end of The Wasteland, so I warped back to a few spots out of reach and managed to reach them all this way xD! So now I gotta to check what goodies are there, and there are like 8 or so double jump spots in The Wastelands

 

Very helpful this is, just not sure if it's intended or not so it could get patched.

 

EDIT:

 

The exact skill is named Aerial Blow and i've been able to access successfully about 5 out of reach spots in The Wasteland so far. Though about 3 others, although I could access the spots initially, you eventually get locked off a bit further in because another double jump requirement will come up and its too large.

 

Edited April 27 by Optinooby

[Rodrister]

12 hours ago, SnowNinjaRaccoon said:

Nobody ever said that it was impossible to be done in one playthrough.

Collectible guide is its own thing for completionists, not just for the platinum, so I don't see the point of your statement. It is not even necessary to follow a guide for the collectibles, we made one so people can check where to find stuff they are missing - we could have stopped at the required number of collectibles, but we didn't -  for completion's sake.

 

You get a trophy for new game+, we are on a trophy website, you want to recommend people to avoid doing a ng+ run so they miss their trophy?

 

Are you going to do collectibles video or only text?

[Dantiscus]

I'm about to start the game and checked Pyx's guide, but there's something that confuses me

 

At first the guide says to do a full 100% play, choose a decision, then do a NG+ and choose the reverse decision while NOT doing the 100%

 

HOWEVER at the comments in the same guide it is said that , i quote:

 

"I’ve now tested it, you can do 100% ending first, & in NG+ you can get both endings without needing to save scum as it will put you before the ending choice instead of after. With the newest patch it might do that for NG as well, but I haven’t got to test that personally & only had my save that was after the choice"

 

So...

 

1. Finish the game 100%
2. Whenever you start NG+ it'll throw you before the decision from the ending of the 1st play, where ya choose the 2nd option and then do the NON 100% run?

Sorry for asking but i'm very confused.

[EcoShifter]

12 hours ago, AlonMercer said:

Yeah, it's definitely been tampered with. I plan on buying the game anyway but censorship is never something I'll approve of. The discussion about it online has been horrible honestly. You got people in one camp denying that it's been censored, who, upon having it be proven to them, then move the goal posts, saying "Ok it has been but why do you even care, it's just a bit of cloth. It's only one outfit! Okay, it's only two outfits! Okay, it's only six outfits! The gore is toned down? Stop complaining!" 

 

And the other camp is "THIS GAME IS RUINED, THE EAST IS LOST, BOYCOTT THIS GAME!" 

 

It's ridiculous. My take is that yes, censorship is happening. Yes, it's bad. Yes, Shift Up lied (or were forced at the last minute to alter outfits and tone the gore down by Sony). However, I think boycotting the game over it is an overreaction. The game is still fundamentally the same game after all. Why miss out on a great game because of some skin being covered up? However, let me make it clear once more that on principal I oppose the changes. They promised it'd be uncensored and yet, when playing on the current patch, it isn't.

 

It is when you play the game on disc without an Internet connection, however. So buy it on disc and play it that way. Physical media FTW! You know that already of course, just putting it out there for anyone else who has an issue with what's going on. 

 

Basically a perfect post. I'd basically have to go really out of the way and ignore complimenting context to disagree with something (You covered a point or two I'd argue with in parentheses). I'd just add to...

 

"because of some skin being covered up" *and "gore" being toned down. Speaking of gore, there is something to be said on that subject, which I already did on the other Stellar Blade thread.

Edited April 27 by EcoShifter

[Bunkerbudy]

On 4/26/2024 at 6:46 PM, Optinooby said:

Has anybody else seen an increase in her affinity when collecting 'The Lost 72 Years' series collectibles?

 

EDIT

 

Also, 'Notes on EVE Protocol' series collectibles affect it also.

The Lost 72 Years gave 1.9% as wel as the following promotions:

- Funding Announcement: Colony-bound Rocket

- Angels Are Rigged

- For You Dimwits Still Believing in Mother Sphere

- Curse the Heaven's Royalty!

 

All 4 of theme gave exactly 1.9% progress just like the one you mentioned.

Found a total of 7 Documents now each specificly giving 1.9%.

Edited April 28 by Bunkerbudy

[Vulpine9Tails]

On 4/26/2024 at 2:47 PM, SnowNinjaRaccoon said:

Nobody ever said that it was impossible to be done in one playthrough.

Collectible guide is its own thing for completionists, not just for the platinum, so I don't see the point of your statement. It is not even necessary to follow a guide for the collectibles, we made one so people can check where to find stuff they are missing - we could have stopped at the required number of collectibles, but we didn't -  for completion's sake.

 

You get a trophy for new game+, we are on a trophy website, you want to recommend people to avoid doing a ng+ run so they miss their trophy?

 

Lol. What are you even arguing, do we need a guide or not? We don't need one for collectibles but for ng+ we do?

Edited April 28 by Vulpine9Tails

[Danyy___85]

I'm gonna get the Physical copy tomorrow, i am going to play it unpatched and uncesored for the first playthrough and will patch it later. What i mean by this, can i get all the stuff on NG+? 

 

I intent to play this game blind on a first play, i know it has multiple endings. But i still haven't seen much of the game to not get spoiled. 

[Gho-Zti]

On 4/27/2024 at 3:27 PM, Dantiscus said:

I'm about to start the game and checked Pyx's guide, but there's something that confuses me

 

At first the guide says to do a full 100% play, choose a decision, then do a NG+ and choose the reverse decision while NOT doing the 100%

 

HOWEVER at the comments in the same guide it is said that , i quote:

 

"I’ve now tested it, you can do 100% ending first, & in NG+ you can get both endings without needing to save scum as it will put you before the ending choice instead of after. With the newest patch it might do that for NG as well, but I haven’t got to test that personally & only had my save that was after the choice"

 

So...

 

1. Finish the game 100%
2. Whenever you start NG+ it'll throw you before the decision from the ending of the 1st play, where ya choose the 2nd option and then do the NON 100% run?

Sorry for asking but i'm very confused.

 

Finish with 100% of Lilys meter on your NG run. Pick the left option at the end.

 

Start NG+
 

Play through until the end.

 

Pick either option. Finish game.

 

From main menu, hit continue, you will be put right before the final decision again.

 

Pick the option that‘s left.

 

Due to how the endings work, you can‘t save scum this and can only get two of the three endings on any given playthrough, so two playthroughs are mandatory.

[Bunkerbudy]

5 minutes ago, Gho-Zti said:

Due to how the endings work, you can‘t save scum this and can only get two of the three endings on any given playthrough, so two playthroughs are mandatory.

It sure is possible, the only question is, how much do you you have to leave and is it worth to do so (for example, is it a lot shorten than doing a NG+ or not).

[Gho-Zti]

Just now, Bunkerbudy said:

It sure is possible, the only question is, how much do you you have to leave and is it worth to do so (for example, is it a lot shorten than doing a NG+ or not).

 

It‘s not worth stressing over fitting everything into one playthrough. I‘d vouch, the time it takes you to do an incomplete Lily run, then load back that save, 100% her bar, finish the run again and then get the third ending as well probably takes the same as a NG+ run (took me ~7-8 hours with a little SP grinding on the side).

 

The method I described works and you don‘t have to stress yourself with cutoff points for percentage gaining plus, you get two more trophies in the process.

[Bunkerbudy]

8 minutes ago, Gho-Zti said:

 

It‘s not worth stressing over fitting everything into one playthrough. I‘d vouch, the time it takes you to do an incomplete Lily run, then load back that save, 100% her bar, finish the run again and then get the third ending as well probably takes the same as a NG+ run (took me ~7-8 hours with a little SP grinding on the side).

 

The method I described works and you don‘t have to stress yourself with cutoff points for percentage gaining plus, you get two more trophies in the process.

Yeah, I am doing what you say anyway. Its, just from a pure theoretical point, it would be possible 😛

[BENJAM1N_LINUS]

5 hours ago, Bunkerbudy said:

The Lost 72 Years gave 1.9% as wel as the following promotions:

- Funding Announcement: Colony-bound Rocket

- Angels Are Rigged

- For You Dimwits Still Believing in Mother Sphere

- Curse the Heaven's Royalty!

 

All 4 of theme gave exactly 1.9% progress just like the one you mentioned.

Found a total of 7 Documents now each specificly giving 1.9%.

How/where do you check this progress bar to be able to know where you are at on it? 

[Optinooby]

37 minutes ago, BENJAM1N_LINUS said:

How/where do you check this progress bar to be able to know where you are at on it? 

 

You can't, only when you increase it.

 

You get extra affection by the way, the game makes it easy to reach 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the game gives you 130% total, but only records visually up 100%.

 

Best way to do all in 1 playthrough, for whoever wants to do that for whatever reason, is to just leave any side exploration and just focus on the story and just do what's on the story path (but unlock warp points). You can 100% the linear areas when you go through them, but try to avoid going out the way or returning to old areas for side quests etc.

 

Now the end parts after the point of no return can take a long time (though i think we can get it done quick once a speedrun route is planned). But leaving alot of the side content just before the point of np return, can actually make the clean up quicker, NOT longer!!!

 

The reason why, and you will see when you start playing, the game will unlock new side content after each linear area, and you pretty much have to keep revisiting areas all over again that you have already done. Fishing as well will cause you to revisit every area. But leaving them all till later means you can do most of them all at once instead of running around the open world levels like 4 times. It would be better if there was an optimal order, for example, you want fishing unlocked quick so that you can fish when going to other areas etc, rather than go to the other areas, unlock fishing and then have to go back again!

 

Edited April 29 by Optinooby

[Bunkerbudy]

3 hours ago, Optinooby said:

You get extra affection by the way, the game makes it easy to reach 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the game gives you 130% total, but only records visually up 100%.

Yeah that's what I said at the beginning, its not going to be leaving only on pickup, but a lot because there is way more than needed. TBF, just doing NG+ looks to be the fastest or at least most easy way to do it. Just one where you do all of it and one speedrun in NG+ to skipp all. Even if it takes 2 hours more, you will probably be faster because you dont have to follow a guide, make backups and check every time you do something.

[Optinooby]

30 minutes ago, Bunkerbudy said:

Yeah that's what I said at the beginning, its not going to be leaving only on pickup, but a lot because there is way more than needed. TBF, just doing NG+ looks to be the fastest or at least most easy way to do it. Just one where you do all of it and one speedrun in NG+ to skipp all. Even if it takes 2 hours more, you will probably be faster because you dont have to follow a guide, make backups and check every time you do something.

 

Yes it is the fastest if you plan to do NG+ 0% anyway. I dont think I've ever refuted that actually

 

But the way I mentioned is fastest if you want Platinum in 1 playthrough or want to get the NG+ outfits, or else it will 3 playthroughs (for all outfits).

 

I think this is quite a big thing actually, sure I think it could be safe to assume that the majority will wanna do the DLC trophies, but when it comes to the NG+ costumes, that's not as easy to predict if players will want to avoid them or not. 

 

 

Edited April 29 by Optinooby

[Bunkerbudy]

2 hours ago, Optinooby said:

 

Yes it is the fastest if you plan to do NG+ 0% anyway. I dont think I've ever refuted that actually

 

But the way I mentioned is fastest if you want Platinum in 1 playthrough or want to get the NG+ outfits, or else it will 3 playthroughs (for all outfits).

 

I think this is quite a big thing actually, sure I think it could be safe to assume that the majority will wanna do the DLC trophies, but when it comes to the NG+ costumes, that's not as easy to predict if players will want to avoid them or not. 

 

 

Yeah I get what you say and I'm not here to say what you do is bad or wrong as well. I have seen some great guides from you in the past, with some well tought out routings for games etc. But for this specific game I just don't feel it being very useful, maybe it is for really specific situations and use cases, so its not bad that you look into it. But me personally I would not go into it really far to try and figure out some crazy stuff here. But please go ahead and do what you want do to and love to do!

[CaveBear912]

Looks like a typical souls like list three different endings max out everything collectibles gonna give it a go eventually

[Doodlebawp]

14 hours ago, Optinooby said:

 

You can't, only when you increase it.

 

You get extra affection by the way, the game makes it easy to reach 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the game gives you 130% total, but only records visually up 100%.

 

Oh man this is great news. I was worried that missing one collectible would tank my 100% Lily run.

 

My current plan is to play the game naturally until the point of no return then backtrack to get any missing collectibles. It's not efficient but I get to enjoy exploring each zone naturally while still making progress on the more annoying trophies.

[Realtione]

I don't want to bicker much about it but seriously I sincerely wish people talked about nearly 1k collectibles over some suits and the character's cleavege, ass or whatever (even on this post which is dedicated for TROPHY THOUGHTS). 

 

200 hours for FF7, 70 for Ronin, 50 for this 60 for that. I mean... I don't even dislike find all, max all lists but honestly what is this? Collectibles always kill my eagerness and kill the flow & pace unless it's your generic over shoulder slow paced cinematic games. It's not even a hard list and I don't get why developers make these such a slog. I just can't tolerate anymore. Will it come to you if you give in enough time? Absolutely. Will you want to? That is the question. I am really having hard times to find enough energy to game nowadays (even if I have enough time) therefore I find this decisions unintuitive. For an action packed game like this... It should have been more focused. A trophy dedicated for finding 299 boxes. Omfg! I don't get how different endings progress either. Get most of the collectibles and then completely avoid them. Holy shit, ingenious. Ironically Lies of P had a similar system but it was unironically ingenious and it did click. 

 

 

I beg to the lords (looking at you Opti) somebody find a way to plat this in one go. I have a neverending backlog and I know I won't come back to this if I don't go ng and ng+ back to back. 

Edited April 30 by Realtione

[Dragonslayer_023]

I have all 67 Naytiba but Naytiba Researcher didn't pop, is there something else you need to do?

Actually the trophy tracker says I have 66/67 but all 67 entries are in my menu.

Edited April 30 by Dragonslayer_023

[BENJAM1N_LINUS]

21 minutes ago, Realtione said:

I don't want to bicker much about it but seriously I sincerely wish people talked about nearly 1k collectibles over some suits and the character's cleavege, ass or whatever (even on this post which is dedicated for TROPHY THOUGHTS). 

 

200 hours for FF7, 70 for Ronin, 50 for this 60 for that. I mean... I don't even dislike find all, max all lists but honestly what is this? Collectibles always kill my eagerness and kill the flow & pace unless it's your generic over shoulder slow paced cinematic games. It's not even a hard list and I don't get why developers make these such a slog. I just can't tolerate anymore. Will it come to you if you give in enough time? Absolutely. Will you want to? That is the question. I am really having hard times to find enough energy to game nowadays (even if I have enough time) therefore I find this decisions unintuitive. For an action packed game like this... It should have been more focused. A trophy dedicated for finding 299 boxes. Omfg! I don't get how different endings progress either. Get most of the collectibles and then completely avoid them. Holy shit, ingenious. Ironically Lies of P had a similar system but it was unironically ingenious and it did click. 

 

 

I beg to the lords (looking at you Opti) somebody find a way to plat this in one go. I have a neverending backlog and I know I won't come back to this if I don't go ng and ng+ back to back. 

Agreed, this should be a trophy discussion... And yeah, I think this is definitely a case of a great game but kind of a bad trophy list- missables, tons of collectibles with some uncertainty around exactly what is necessary to get (and they're not shown on the map making everything more cumbersome); multiple endings needed and no manual saves... 

 

I think the majority of trophy enjoyers would agree missables and multiple playthroughs are not what you want to see. 

 

Again, loving the game, and this doesn't stop that, but the way collectibles and such are handled in it is not the best. 

[Fr_0zt]

Just did an oppsies and forgot to back up my 100% save.  You cannot choose the other option after beating the final boss, it just throws you in the fight.  So make sure you back up your save at the last camp.

 

Lucky for me, I clicked the correct choice (blind) and got the 100% ending 😱. I can get the other 2 on my NG+ run. 

 

I almost fucked it up.

Edited May 2 by Fr_0zt

[malistix]

Terrible I hate collection trophies. I prefer games where I can get the plat with no- or minimum guides/help so I am not aiming for the plat here I will just explore and see what pops up.