The Doomsday Heist DLC trophy thoughts

[Riglio_93]

question: complete the heists with 2 players, I start with 3 players and I die what happens, do I have to redo with 2 players?

[Jiwan01]

RE: requirements to start the Doomsday Heist - you can be either CEO, VIP or MC leader. VIP option is the cheapest since all you need is $50,000 to register as a VIP through the SecuroServ Menu. 

 

@Sergen Congrats on 100%! No idea how you managed to get through CM without progress resetting but well done in any case. 

[Sergen]

Just now, Riglio_93 said:

question: complete the heists with 2 players, I start with 3 players and I die what happens, do I have to redo with 2 players?

 

No, you keep any challenge you have completed, if it was all 3 runs with no deaths whatsoever then I’d say it’s the biggest bullshit trophy to ever exist. 

[Riglio_93]

Thanks bro relief

[Partik24]

So ignoring Elite Challenges, which facility would you get if you wanted to go through all the Acts the fastest? I know the Land Act Resevoir is closest to the city which is where most of the heists happen, but it's also not next to a major highway. That's why I am leaning towards Sandy Shores or possibly Grand Senora. Can someone give me some input?

Edited December 19, 2017 by Partik24

[Jiwan01]

51 minutes ago, Partik24 said:

So ignoring Elite Challenges, which facility would you get if you wanted to go through all the Acts the fastest? I know the Land Act Resevoir is closest to the city which is where most of the heists happen, but it's also not next to a major highway. That's why I am leaning towards Sandy Shores or possibly Grand Senora. Can someone give me some input?

 

I would go with one of the following: Sandy Shores, Grand Senora or Wind Farm.

 

The Sandy Shores Facility ($2.7M) is best for Elite Challenges since it's well-placed for heading to the first checkpoints in the finales for Acts I & III. It's also next to 2 airfields & a highway, though quite North up the map.

 

The Grand Senora Facility ($2.5M) is also placed well and a few $100,000 cheaper than Sandy Shores. An advantage of this facility is its proximity to the Sandy Shores Airfield if you use air vehicles a lot, and it's more central than Sandy Shores too.

 

The Wind Farm Facility ($1.8M) is a great all-rounder: well-placed for the Acts I & III Elite Challenges and close to both Los Santos and a highway. It's also cheaper so great if you're on more of a budget. I used this for the Elite Challenge and found beating the target times no problem.

 

The best Facility for Act II's Elite Challenge is the Paleto Bay Facility ($1.25M). I don't advise purchasing this one though since you can beat the Elite Challenge for Act II from one of the previously suggested Facilities. It's also about as North in the map as you can get but the cheapest Facility you can buy.

 

Edited December 19, 2017 by Jiwan01

[stu_0089]

5 hours ago, inarbai said:

You can’t refill all of them, you can only buy 10 in total

i can't buy any

[Sergen]

6 minutes ago, stupid0089 said:

i can't buy any

 

You need to be a specific rank on the game to get a lot of snacks/body armour. In a GTA Series Videos guide, I saw that they recommend being at least Rank 135 to get the previous Criminal Mastermind to utilise snacks, but I doubt that's the rank you truly need to get enough consumables in the game.  

Edited December 19, 2017 by Sergen

[SirPigFace]

Sorry Sergen but you didnt do this legit. I joke ? congrats don't worry about the idiots. Also is this all doable with only 2 players. I have literally no interest in trying to find a group of 4 players on this game. Its all squeakers and people who have slept with my mom supposedly. 

Edited December 19, 2017 by SirPigFace

[Facas]

I know some die hard fans of GTA 5 that didn't got the mastermind when it was easy because they have family and a lot of work because of Christmas. You know that it can't be done in 4 or 5 hours.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Facas
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[Stevieboy]

I'm tired of having to delete off topic posts and petty arguments in this thread. If it continues then there will be warning points handed out.

[bioxz]

15 hours ago, Jiwan01 said:

 

I would go with one of the following: Sandy Shores, Grand Senora or Wind Farm.

 

The Sandy Shores Facility ($2.7M) is best for Elite Challenges since it's well-placed for heading to the first checkpoints in the finales for Acts I & III. It's also next to 2 airfields & a highway, though quite North up the map.

 

The Grand Senora Facility ($2.5M) is also placed well and a few $100,000 cheaper than Sandy Shores. An advantage of this facility is its proximity to the Sandy Shores Airfield if you use air vehicles a lot, and it's more central than Sandy Shores too.

 

The Wind Farm Facility ($1.8M) is a great all-rounder: well-placed for the Acts I & III Elite Challenges and close to both Los Santos and a highway. It's also cheaper so great if you're on more of a budget. I used this for the Elite Challenge and found beating the target times no problem.

 

Thank you! I bought the Wind Farm Facility because I liked the location and it is next to my bunker. And stupid as I was, I bought upgrades for it. Looks like I can keep it

[SarcalogosVermis]

Quick question which I don't think has been answered yet (I quickly scanned through the posts): I noticed that, in Act I, each setup mission can be started as soon as its particular prep mission is completed. With that in mind, to complete these missions in order as stipulated, does it go like:

 

Prep A - Setup A - Prep B - Setup B - Prep C - Setup C etc. - Finale?

 

Or, could you do it like this:

 

Prep A - Prep B - Prep C - Setup A - Setup B - Setup C - Finale?

[Facas]

You can do all preparations and then the setups

[ProfBambam55]

1 hour ago, SarcalogosVermis said:

Quick question which I don't think has been answered yet (I quickly scanned through the posts): I noticed that, in Act I, each setup mission can be started as soon as its particular prep mission is completed. With that in mind, to complete these missions in order as stipulated, does it go like:

 

Prep A - Setup A - Prep B - Setup B - Prep C - Setup C etc. - Finale?

 

Or, could you do it like this:

 

Prep A - Prep B - Prep C - Setup A - Setup B - Setup C - Finale?

we did prep a > prep b > prep c > setup a > setup b > setup c > finale with no problems on criminal mastermind so this order is ok..the advantage of this order is that you can do all public lobby stuff then switch to an invite only session for the rest of the act (highly recommended) before switching back to public for the preps in the following act...

[SarcalogosVermis]

 

1 hour ago, Facas said:

You can do all preparations and then the setups

 

20 minutes ago, ProfBambam55 said:

we did prep a > prep b > prep c > setup a > setup b > setup c > finale with no problems on criminal mastermind so this order is ok..the advantage of this order is that you can do all public lobby stuff then switch to an invite only session for the rest of the act (highly recommended) before switching back to public for the preps in the following act...

 

Fantastic, thank you both. I was hoping that'd be the case.

[Eispan]

Wow so surprise to see a lot looking forward to the Criminal Masterminds trophies... once you realise that it is bugged, to be specific after all your effort you get the message that you have failed the challenge - you may think of taking back all that love for the new trophies.  On Playstationtrophies.org there is a discussion there how some players have failed the challenge even if they did not do anything to fail it.  The game randomly fails a player or half of the team while others still keep their progress.  No one knows what triggers this other than the fact that it is a bug.  So yeah hallelujah! /sarcasm ends

Edited December 19, 2017 by eispan71

[ProfBambam55]

39 minutes ago, eispan71 said:

Wow so surprise to see a lot looking forward to the Criminal Masterminds trophies... once you realise that it is bugged, to be specific after all your effort you get the message that you have failed the challenge - you may think of taking back all that love for the new trophies.  On Playstationtrophies.org there is a discussion there how some players have failed the challenge even if they did not do anything to fail it.  The game randomly fails a player or half of the team while others still keep their progress.  No one knows what triggers this other than the fact that it is a bug.  So yeah hallelujah! /sarcasm ends

I've posted a solution in a separate thread...not sure it works for everyone but worked in our case...would appreciate confirmation from others...and yes, we were victims of the random reset bug on a dozen attempts or so...it was a bit frustrating but was still having fun though so I guess this just comes down to personal attitude, evolution, philosophy, opinion, etc...i will eventually share some strategies for each specific mission when I have a more in depth knowledge of how they all work...

 

side note: I've also tweeted @rockstar support and filled out a support ticket...not much else we can do but voice our discontent to them...i doubt complaining on these or .org's forums will do much but I could be wrong...

Edited December 19, 2017 by ProfBambam55

[Facas]

The original mastermind on the former heists had the exact same issue. Many belive that is related to connectivity issues. But like the previous C.M. it will be fixed.

Or like profbambam said it also might be related to the massive traffic on the servers.

[Riglio_93]

the three challenges mosterminds should be made with the same players? es. I make the first run with 2 players then I start with 3 different players. it's possible?

Edited December 19, 2017 by Riglio_93

[Eispan]

12 hours ago, ProfBambam55 said:

I've also tweeted @rockstar support and filled out a support ticket...not much else we can do but voice our discontent to them...i doubt complaining on these or .org's forums will do much but I could be wrong...

About talking about this in other forums... I do agree that will not do anything to convince Rockstar to fix this.  I mean they don't do anything on bugs/problems vented out on their official support forums.  Those stooges in there are just there to try to deflect the frustration NOT to solve it - especially when it comes to TROPHY bugs.  Think the Run Like The Wind trophy on the PS3 and some other trophy bugs... heck I'd even go as far as GTAIV's AWP trophy (resets your 100% completion in-game) and that one went totally unpatched... I HOPE this time they would but I'm not keeping my hopes high.  BUT when it comes to money exploits (which I don't do by the way) or the Karuma patch for the Pacific Standard Job Finale for example - they'll patch it up.

 

BTT on this bug discussion in other forums including ours here, it's a good avenue to have a discussion with fellow gamers who experience the same problems.  At least we get to listen to each other.  It doesn't solve the problem BUT sometimes you get a solution by someone in the forums who may have found a fix.  

 

Here's a Rockstar response from someone at another trophy guide forum (edited in case they want their privacy respected):

 

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Hello S*****_R*****_*6,

Thank you for contacting Rockstar Support.

We sincerely apologize for any difficulties you are experiencing with the Criminal Mastermind Challenge. We realize this challenge can be quite tough but we assure you it is achievable without the purchase of Shark Cards. While support is unable to provide exact tips, there are numerous guides online to help with the completion of this challenge.

If you would like to provide feedback or ideas for GTA Online, please write directly to our developers at [email protected].

Although we cannot guarantee a response from this address, the Development Team reviews submissions and appreciates feedback from the Community.

Please let us know if you have any additional questions, comments or concerns.

Best Regards,

K******* Q. 

Rockstar Support

Ermmm some reply we got there... like I have said, stooges.  Their job is mainly just to take in the "complaints" and/or suggestion but at the end of the day it's the game devs who will have to decide if they feel half-a***d to do them or not.  I've read quite a lot of ridiculous/very-inconsiderate/meaningless responses from R* Support.  (Unofficial R*) Forums are much better to vent out your frustrations TBH.

Edited December 20, 2017 by eispan71

[ProfBambam55]

6 hours ago, eispan71 said:

About talking about this in other forums... I do agree that will not do anything to convince Rockstar to fix this.  I mean they don't do anything on bugs/problems vented out on their official support forums.  Those stooges in there are just there to try to deflect the frustration NOT to solve it - especially when it comes to TROPHY bugs.  Think the Run Like The Wind trophy on the PS3 and some other trophy bugs... heck I'd even go as far as GTAIV's AWP trophy (resets your 100% completion in-game) and that one went totally unpatched... I HOPE this time they would but I'm not keeping my hopes high.  BUT when it comes to money exploits (which I don't do by the way) or the Karuma patch for the Pacific Standard Job Finale for example - they'll patch it up.

 

BTT on this bug discussion in other forums including ours here, it's a good avenue to have a discussion with fellow gamers who experience the same problems.  At least we get to listen to each other.  It doesn't solve the problem BUT sometimes you get a solution by someone in the forums who may have found a fix.  

 

Here's a Rockstar response from someone at another trophy guide forum (edited in case they want their privacy respected):

 

Ermmm some reply we got there... like I have said, stooges.  Their job is mainly just to take in the "complaints" and/or suggestion but at the end of the day it's the game devs who will have to decide if they feel half-a***d to do them or not.  I've read quite a lot of ridiculous/very-inconsiderate/meaningless responses from R* Support.  (Unofficial R*) Forums are much better to vent out your frustrations TBH.

the point I was trying to make is if a person can put effort into posting complaints on a thread why not direct that energy towards the dev insted?...at least then we have let them know there is an issue with their product...to me,  whining on forums is a negative action (and quite lazy in a sense) and shows that these people wish to have a problem fixed...why not be proactive and positive?...if complaining makes some sleep better at night, great...but how is the dev supposed to know the scale of the problem if only a handful of us let them know there is one in the first place?...

 

unlike run like the wind, this seems to definitely be a bug and not sure what you mean about awp but kind of irrelevant...it's easy to say "it's r*'s fault" and focus on other potential problems they have avoiding fixing but the reality is historically they've been working their a$$es off to keep us all happy with things like quality content, countless bug fixes (including a patch that fixed rank problems and made the gta iv plat obtainable to this day) and keeping hackers from ruining the game for other players (and yes, this one likely motivated by profit - they are a business after all), etc...

 

the simple version of what I see:

"I found a bug...this sucks...r* is a $hitty dev...how could they do this to us?...they always do stuff like this"...all in an unrelated forum...so why not flip that to : "anyone else having issues with this...yes?...let's let the dev know what is happening and see if they'd be willing to  fix it"...which do you think is more likely to succeed?...i mean we're all looking for a bug fix here, no?...is it really any surprise that half-a$$ed complaints are met by half-a$$ed responses?... 

 

I see a good opportunity for us to band together and try to have it fixed so let's do it...you can submit a request ticket here :

 

https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

 

as far as I'm concerned, in business, a handful of people complaining can be brushed off as "crazies"...100 can be brushed off with acknowledgment...1000 starts to merit some thought as to a fix...10 000 causes a serious guilt trip if not fixed...yes, the numbers are fictional but we can only get to 10 000 one voice at a time...it's not about how the dev responds to our emails it's about giving them numbers to consider in hopes of getting a fix...we all have a chance to do our part now...vent your frustrations all you want but please also consider giving the community a helping hand by contacting r* directly...the above link is a great place to start making a difference...

Edited December 20, 2017 by ProfBambam55

[x7eight]

Emailed them on support, gta online email and submitted a ticket, told them not to give me that automated robot response.

[Eispan]

19 hours ago, x7eight said:

Emailed them on support, gta online email and submitted a ticket, told them not to give me that automated robot response.

 

Good luck with that man... I mean they did say this to someone who had submitted a ticket:

Quote

Although we cannot guarantee a response from this address, the Development Team reviews submissions and appreciates feedback from the Community.

 

Before anyone else starts to believe that I'm one of those gamers who just complain and b****es about R* this... R* that... take note that I am formerly one of those who would (sort of justify) GTAOs grindy products from the critics telling them: "You do not really have to buy them"... "There are many ways to earn money, and money isn't that difficult"... "It's a FREE update guys, so what's the problem?"... etc. etc.

 

... but I think that is where the problem starts, and I have become part of it for letting them get their way. Smuggler's Run changed all that and it was with that update where you can clearly see the direction where a "changed" Rockstar is heading. The used to bring out at least one NEW game each year, which suddenly ended after the release of GTAV back in 2013... It's a business yes BUT all legit businesses are supposed to behave in a fair and acceptable way. Reason why here is such as term as BUSINESS ETHICS, because there are businesses out there that abuse their position in power, that take advantage of their customers good faith. Businesses should never get a free pass for their bad practices. Think PINK SLIME on your burgers, everybody loves McD/BK etc but are you gonna let them get away with that? Of course not...

 

I no longer agree and believe in them like I used to, so I guess I am within bounds to criticise them as a consumer.  It is my character to NEVER attack any fellow gamer/forum member just because they have a different opinion other than mine.  I'm a strong believer that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that should be respected whether I believe in them or not.  Let us also not forget that game devs are NOT GODS (we should not worship them as that can be a dangerous precedent to inflate their egos even further), they are NOT ABOVE US - in fact it is the opposite.  Never forget your rights as a consumer.  Some business brings forth a product that you are not happy with, then it is your absolute right to let them know about it.  They are in a business of trying to convince you to buy their game - THEY WANT YOUR MONEY more than you would ever need them.  In other words, we as gamers and consumers who purchase their products ARE BASICALLY THEIR BOSSES. --- at least this is a European way of thinking, in consumer rights/politics/economics.

 

As for Rockstar Support.  Why am I not totally convinced that they will actually do something about this?  Personally I've submitted tickets myself in the past.  What do I get? Robotic generic responses that don't mean a thing.  I swear I almost believe that the people behind the keyboard are most likely BOTS replying to us because there is no human empathy in their responses. It's almost their replies revolve around "beggars can't be choosers" which is wrong... dead wrong.  So pardon me from losing faith in a system like this.  Think EA's recent Battlefield fiasco.  It was more on TWITTER that brought this problem to light, as that really put them on the spotlight.  As for Rockstar's Twitter account, they'll just tell you to contact R* support. /laughs...

 

As of this time I'm still waiting for an update from them regarding the (disappearing) AMMO bug I reported in GTAO - where during heist set-ups you are billed hundreds of thousands worth of ammo (sometimes it's all your explosives/throwables, sometimes all sniper ammo).  I've submitted a ticket the first time it happened losing almost $300,000 worth of sniper ammo... happened the second time and I've submitted a ticket for that as well... all the same similar response submininally telling you to just wait basically... And many many game updates later, the bugs are still there. 

 

Submitted a NEW ticket about the gun safe bug which makes all your purchase weapons appear as "not yet owned" when you go visit Ammunation.  Accidentally click on any gun you already own and you end up paying tens of thousands for purchasing it again. That is still unresolved even up to this day despite this problem being reported immediately right after the Gunrunning update. And I can still recall some folks I know from the forum where I mainly contribute, who had very bad and disappointing experiences with R* support.  So please pardon me for losing TRUST in them...

 

Even a loving WIFE or a HUSBAND will eventually lose faith in their partners if they are prolific liars, constantly disappoint and break promises... and/or regularly ignored and neglected.  It's almost believing that a spouse who violently beats up the other CAN get away with everything just because they provide FREE provisions and support at home.  Giving stuff for FREE as a pretext to abuse power/influence later on is never a good excuse.  Enough with the philosophical talk and get right back to the main topic...

 

Main problem is the Criminal Mastermind Challenge.  It's made a lot of noise now... I'm pretty sure R* knows about it BUT what do they do? They've got a busy and active Twitter account so why not make an announcement that they're aware of this and will come up with a patch soon? How hard it is to input 280 characters to inform their fan base if they truly do care? I've checked their Twitter as of this writing and NOTHING. Just promoting more of the exorbitantly priced stuff, no mention of this trophy problem.  It would have lessened the anxiety of those that have experienced this problem, but instead they chose to keep mum.  So what's the point of having a Twitter account then? Like if they really cared, all it takes is just a few taps on their smartphone/keyboard to pacify the problem.

 

Trust issues is my main issue here.  As I have mentioned previously,  trophy problems like Run Like The Wind (just to name one) remains unpatched up to this day despite numerous complaints forwarded to them via the official R* support.  But hey the PS3 no longer brings in the Sharkcard sales so why bother right?  Funny how they are still so keen on selling the game digitally on PSN despite the Platinum being unobtainable. This simple trophy problem to that of my knowledge can be fixed easily - just by reactivating the bounty system for the NPCs (getting their vehicles stolen) should be enough.  Money laundering from glitched/hacked money to other accounts will not be possible (the reason why they deactivated the bounty system in the first place).  So yeah, please forgive me for not having the trust in them to fix trophy problems.

 

For the record, I'm not sour graping with the thought of me not having the good stuff in GTAO.  In fact I actually have them ALL (up to most of the Smuggler's Run releases): Garages full of the best 120 cars... 5x high-end properties... the Aquarius yacht... Maze Bank Tower plus its 3 garages... the hangar... the bunker... 5 warehouses + I/E... moved my MC Business around more than once even if it cost me just because I prefer this location to the other... You name it, spent almost $400M just like any typical GTAO player who loved the game and loved what R* had to offer. 

 

In terms of supporting this game I have purchased this on day one... and even got the Collectors Edition on PS3 as a second purchase just because I loved the steelbook, two games but only one PS3 console - fanboy, probably at the time... Purchased the PS4 again because I loved the game and wanted to experience it next gen and no regrets...

 

... but after the Smuggler's Run update, I've been left disenchanted by the online part of the game. This update really started to feel like a money-grab.  You could say my annoyance has been timed right with the Doomsday Heist update.  Just when I was really about to put this game to rest despite all the announced updates, they had to add trophies almost 4 years after the relaunch on next gen... FINE! Trophies it is then... one more run I suppose, and then you realise that the trophies ended up to be a big pile of bull poo.  Not only did they deliberately made them unnecessarily hard, it's broken to start with.  They only had one job and they failed to give it their 100%.

 

I hope I'll end up wrong when saying R* support will not solve this problem with Criminal Masterminds.. I really do hope I'm wrong but the trust I had with them is really gone.  One thing I'm sure of is that they'll bring out more unjustified expensive stuff long after this latest update had passed.  They said the Biker's Update will be the last then said the same thing with Gunrunning, and now I'm reading again that Doomsday Heist will be the last one.  Am I the only one who sees through their bluff? It's all a ploy to make us believe GTAO is at its end of life so we'll all rush in, supposedly for the last hurrah.  Actually, that's just far from the truth as a reliable leak revealed that a lot of stuff had already been made and they just have to decide when to release them.  My point is they'll be so busy releasing new content that they won't really find the time to fix the CM challenge.  But for our sake I really do hope I'm wrong.  After all I myself still have to earn them to regain my hard earned 100% back.

 

For the record I'm not trying to get into an argument with any of you.  I'm just sharing what I think is really happening behind all that glitter that R* is throwing at us.  My argument is with R* and its current and unacceptable behaviour, and I no longer feel like taking it on the chin for them any more.  Let's not insist that this is a FREE game, those like me who do not purchase Sharkcards (and will never be purchasing them) are investing our time just to play this game.  The traffic we give the game as online players benefits those that pay for the game via Sharkcards, who (without being ungrateful to them) are actually paying for this game so we can play it for FREE. It's not free, some of us are just not paying for it with real money - but with the gaming time we invest for all that terrible grinding. How many times do I have to grind $30M+ for it to just goes up in smoke after spending it all in every update. It just feels wrong now having to pay that much for virtual items which some of them eventually get nerfed down despite promoting them to be of superb performance (supercars are a good example - fast now, then unceremoniously balanced to be slower later after mostly everyone had purchased them without even letting players know). Selling one thing advertised as something else is, to simply put it is a SCAM.

 

Anyone who wish to contact R* support to vent or report a problem. Please feel free to do so. BUT based on my experience, if it doesn't involved money glitches - don't expect favourable reply for an immediate fix from them. I've done my bit in the past more than once. But knowing that I'd probably just end up facing a brick wall really put me off. 

Edited December 21, 2017 by eispan71

[Bxoow_]

If it was like the first heist trophies, nice! But unfortunately it has turned into microtransaction hell

 

Also, criminal mastermind + elite challenges with 2,3 and 4 people, who wants to play the same fkin thing for 50+ hours? Wth It's already boring to grind to get the money.