Popular Post MoreTheVictim Posted April 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2013 I really like this! It now shows correct stats and the ultra rare trophies I now have feel more satisfying. When looking at my ultra rare trophies I was always like: "meh 90% is DLC, nothing impressive.." But now it feels much better to look at it! I also like to see how many owners each DLC has. I'm a stat-addict. I can understand people saying it isn't 100% correct, but why would people buy a DLC and not obtain trophies? How many DLC packs out there only have highly missable trophies or trophies which require boosting or hard work? Sure there are some, but not many. And why would you buy a DLC and NEVER play it? If you do that, you don't qualify as an 'owner' to me. Good job Sly, as always, you never stop improving things! Btw, the Red Faction: Guerrilla DLC trophies still have the old values and are listed under the base game, but I'm sure you're aware of that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Ripper Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 The Trophy Advisor now hides DLC trophies by default, there's a button to toggle it next to the filters. At this time, determining which DLC packs you own is too taxing and will have to be looked at in greater detail later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlteredFormula Posted April 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2013 Those of you that don't like it and have been constructive with why you don't like it, I have no issues with... The way I see it, is that this system works out to be much fairer than the old system, (neither are 100% accurate but that's down to Sony not Sly/PSNP) yeah, it means I only have one ultra rare trophy now, but if I was the kind of player that liked to hunt them, this would make me more inclined to go out and hunt the rarer trophies available, to make my profile look that much more impressive... Then there are those of you that don't like it and are just being whiny little bitches with a false sense of entitlement... You, need to get over yourselves. I don't get it, you get given gold, but some of you act like PSNP has taken a large shit on your doorstep. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ReverieCode Posted April 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2013 I am surprised with some of the opinions over here. I mean, you guys are pissed because now you have "less" ultra-rare trophies, really? These aren't ultra-rare trophies only because other people doesn't own the content. I had a lot of those too, but I don't consider them such a big achievement like you do... I had, for example, this trophy, which is not difficult at all = 84.41% of the people who own the DLC obtained it. Yet, before the change, it was 2.65% ultra-rare, because I imagine people don't buy the DLC at all. Either way, I'm not unhappy because now it doesn't show up that way, because these are the real stats. It's like you want to compare yourself with someone who doesn't own the game... it's ridiculous, seriously. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eburkulosis Posted April 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2013 As a completionist and someone who always buys trophy-based DLC for all my games, I don't have a problem with this. It's a falsehood for me to act like I have a big E-peen because I have some obscure Modnation Racers DLC that 0.24% rarity just because I was one of the few crazy enough to buy it. This is the case for the majority of my DLC trophies. It's all relative anyways and affects everyone the same way. So really, while something has changed, nothing has changed at all. Yes there are always exceptions to the rule, that doesn't mean the rule isn't worth having. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarumanDooku Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Even if I will lose most of my ultra rare, you should apply this to free2play games like dcuo too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony_J_C Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) This change seems reasonable enough given that there's now a "Show DLC" versus "Hide DLC" option on the trophy advisor. However, it needs further demarcation since DLC certainly isn't an all-or-nothing type of thing. I own Assassin's Creed III, but I don't own any Assassin's Creed III DLC (at least so far), so all of its DLC is just clutter on my list... but, meanwhile, I have the DLC for Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (and some trophies to prove it) so it's quite useful for me to see its DLC on my advisor list in "Show DLC" mode. That said, there actually needs to be even more demarcation than that. I have a version of Batman Arkham City that came with all the DLC on disc. I don't have the "Nightwing Revenge" trophy, and I seriously doubt that 99.79% of the people registered on here who own my version of the game do. So that's a case where DLC that I technically have is _still_ cluttering my list. I'm enough of a programmer to know that trying to implement a system to present DLC completion percentages into account in any meaningful way, with the information you have available to you, is an absolute nightmare. The best suggestion I can offer is to allow some users to customize what DLC trophy packs are and are not displayed on his/her screen (and are or are not included in calculations) in "Show DLC" mode. In my case, given the capability by you, I'd customize the Arkham City DLC to all be evaluated as one trophy pack, and I'd just hide all the Assassin's Creed III DLC information so that it didn't show up on my trophy advisor page at all. (Then I could still look at where I stand with the trophies for the Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning DLC on the trophy advisor page without the clutter.) Now, if my obviously not Ultra Rare Crysis 2 trophies (like "Can it run Crysis?" and "More than Human") weren't suddenly showing up on my main profile page as Ultra Rare trophies, we'd be all set... Edit: Quick note-- the Crysis 2 trophies problem has been fixed now. Edited April 13, 2013 by Anthony_J_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baljit007 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) I don't really like this idea because now my trophy advisor is filled with DLC trophies on my first 4 pages!!! Edited April 13, 2013 by baljit007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyondthegrave07 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 nice answer and very useful. I prefer the old style system, it let you see better how hard (in terms of money, time or difficulty) is to get the trophy... Not neccessarly, because a lot of DLC trophies are easy but their percentage is extremely low because not many people own them. For example, there were a lot of Borderlands DLC that was a 25% (meaning it's uncommon) but a lot of the borderlands dlc is super easy which in this case, the percentage would not tell you the difficulty. This new style takes a few of my rarest trophies, but i don't care, I get tired of seeing a bunch dlc trophies from the same game as my rarest trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BeautifulTorment Posted April 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2013 The second way is definitely more incorrect, Rag. Saying that there is a trophy in every DLC pack that is 100% rare is just absurd and incorrect. I say, if you have to be wrong, then let them be rare (because they are rare). A trophy with 50 people who have earned it is not common by any stretch of the word. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kirbz Posted April 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2013 I don't think this is a good idea, to be honest. This just ruins most trophy lists, and DLC is pretty common nowadays since they usually stack them up as codes when you buy the game new or they are all included on disc in a goty edition. Lots of people have played a DLC but did not have enough skill to actually earn any trophies, or just didn't bother, so now you're gonna make the percentages higher while ignoring the people that have the DLC and PLAYED it but did not earn any trophies? This is not accurate and there is no way to accurately track the actual DLC percentages unless you go on everyones accounts and check their download lists one by one. Also, what if a game has one DLC trophy. You're just gonna make that 100% rare? I, and I bet many others, are against this new "site update". Nothing against you, Sly, but I just really hate seeing my trophies which were very difficult go from 4% to 40%. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqweek Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I don't get why people keep saying these trophies are difficult when it's a matter of whether people bought the DLC or not. The DLC for Sleeping Dogs is a doddle, but if people don't buy it, therefore making the trophies rarer, has that made the trophies anymore difficult? Of course not. Also, if you apply the previous logic of there's 20,000 people who've played the game, so let's assume they all have the DLC for the purposes of rarity calcs, why not apply that logic to all the main games? Bioshock Infinite has over 22,000 owners, are you saying the other almost 1,000,000 tags on the site also own it, but just haven't played it? The fact that the site can tell if you've loaded a game or not, but not know if you've bought the DLC or not, isn't Sly's fault. TrueAchievements use the exact same system for the 360. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BeautifulTorment Posted April 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2013 Many of them are difficult. One of my hardest trophies was "Heretic" from the Warhammer 40k game. Only 200 people have the trophy and its now at 30%, which is pretty absurd and obviously skewed more than it was before. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattybell2117 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 If most people who own the DLC are trying to get 100%, shouldn't that mean those trophies aren't rare? No because as donkey-er said, most people who go for the dlc are more skilled than the average trophy hunter, which is who the site is supposed to compare (imo, seeing as there's 1 million+ users). If I wanted an accurate representation of my skill vs high level gamers there's another site out there for that in which the community is much smaller and is filled with (mostly) higher level gamers. I prefer the way the rarity was calculated here over the other site. I'm not saying that most people who go for dlc trophies are more skilled but they're almost always more driven than the average trophy hunter which will drastically increase the % on dlc vs the main game. It's not a thing of people are more skilled because they're buying the dlc but if you look at who buys the most dlc, it's high level gamers who have more skill than the average gamer. As texasboi said, people should be rewarded for going the extra mile in many cases. True, you'll get stupid easy trophies that are sub 1% because of the massive player base like the AC trophies but this essentially ruins the rarity of all dlc trophies because even the incredibly difficult ones are now mostly just rare, uncommon or common. As I also said, this system is really only going halfway because so many older games have the dlc mixed in which means that if you're trying to eliminate dlc trophies being ultra rare, you're only doing it on newer games. Basically with the new system people gain a ton of common trophies and lose a ton of ultra rares. In the old system, people just had more ultra rare trophies than they possible deserved if you think that ultra rares should be based solely on difficulty. Again though, as Texasboi said there's more that into doing dlc trophies than regular trophies most of the time. Sure you'll get some cake ultra rares here in there but you'll also lose the rarity of every difficult dlc trophy you've ever done unless the dlc was mixed in with the game. I do also notice a lot of the people complaining are people who have gone from like 15 ultra rares down to like 3. I mean granted they still have a say and have every right to their opinion but if you look at who's opposing the new system it's mostly people who have devoted a lot more time, money and effort to gaming and are much higher trophy levels. Just saying... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerJAZZ420 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Well damn there goes like 100 of my Ultra rares. Terribad feature. All its gonna do is make people think everything is super easy and not even worth trying for. It's crazy how 1 update can break a sites creditability Edited April 13, 2013 by killerJAZZ420 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowGandalf Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Yay, now my rarest trophies go back to being my proudly earned Trash Panic ones, not the mostly easy LBP2 Cross Control. I'm happy. Now if only the Trash Panic trophies could display in proper english rather than " ???????MainMode?HELL?????? ". Why DOES it do that Sly? Is it something Sony's end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo_eyes Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I don't see what all the fuss is about really. It makes absolute sense changing the way the dlc trophies were set up. It's only logical that the % takes only those into consideration that actually have the DLC, sure it's not perfect as it is at the moment, yet it is still more accurate than before. Anyhow, it's just bloody numbers and statistics in the end. Last time I checked there's no one handing out cookies to those who have the lowest % . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSarcasm Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Thank you sir. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Mayus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Well damn there goes like 100 of my Ultra rares. Terribad feature. All its gonna do is make people think everything is super easy and not even worth trying for. It's crazy how 1 update can break a sites creditability What are you talking about? It isn't really ultra rare when people don't own the DLC. take a popular game like Uncharted 2 or Red Dead Redemption. Lots of people don't own that DLC so by you having the trophies for it it automatically makes it Ultra Rare (when in essence it might be very easy to get). Yes it isn't perfect, like you said people might just not be good enough to get the trophies so they sit at 0%, but we already don't count games that people have at 0% towards their completion rate so it isn't much different than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerJAZZ420 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 What are you talking about? It isn't really ultra rare when people don't own the DLC. take a popular game like Uncharted 2 or Red Dead Redemption. Lots of people don't own that DLC so by you having the trophies for it it automatically makes it Ultra Rare (when in essence it might be very easy to get). Yes it isn't perfect, like you said people might just not be good enough to get the trophies so they sit at 0%, but we already don't count games that people have at 0% towards their completion rate so it isn't much different than that. I understand you're post and am fine with what you're saying but it is very different then not counting games at 0% People buy DLC, its common, All in all theres plenty of games with DLC that have balls to the wall hard trophies yet the lack of sense that comes with this update is just a big FU to people who actually do care about %s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattybell2117 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 The best way to look at this in my opinion is that in the old system everyone had more ultra rares and nothing was lost. Sure they weren't all accurate but they were somewhat inaccurate in a beneficial way. This new way is somewhat inaccurate in a negative way where people are losing multiple ultra rares and any hard work they've put into ultra rare dlc trophies is gone. I just think it's ridiculous that dlc trophies will never be ultra rare anymore unless they're mixed in with the user base of the main game. The way people should look at it is this is how many people have earned this trophy out of how many people have played the game not out of how many people have played the dlc. Games and dlc aren't separated to make 100% on the game, you need both to 100% the game. If you want 100% on the game, you often have to pay more and play more and you should be rewarded for doing so. What's really worse? Having more ultra rares when some of them are easy and likely wouldn't be ultra rare if they were part of the main game or having less ultra rares and having basically all the difficult dlc you've ever done be turned into uncommon or common trophies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coenak Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Sly, do you want us to report games whose DLCs are not separated? Or do you know about these games already? Edited April 13, 2013 by coenak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreTheVictim Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 If you're all threatening about leaving this community, why don't you go then? Nobody is stopping you. We shall see who is really supporting PSNP. I know I do. Please don't reply to this when you don't agree, I'm getting sick of arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I approve! Its nice to see rare trophies show yourself relative to other gamer's skill/dedication as opposed to wallet size 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baljit007 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) I now have some trophies in my advisor that say 100% common! EDIT: Sorry I like it now that I found out you can turn off DLC Edited April 13, 2013 by baljit007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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