Why are so many people complaining about easy platinum games

[StewartBros]

On 17/12/2020 at 5:55 AM, AJ_Radio said:

 

There are easy games worth playing in my opinion. The Little Acre, Back to the Future: The Game, Deponia, all easy point and clicks but they are worthwhile even if they didn't have achievements.

 

Back To The Future really was a fun game - I would still have played it even if it didn't have trophies.  I played it when it was being released episodically, before the disc release complete with platinum came out.  If I'd known it was getting a disc release, then I might have waited for that, but I was more than happy to support the devs by buying each individual episode as it was released, though if memory serves I waited until all 5 episodes were out before I started playing.

 

On 17/12/2020 at 5:55 AM, AJ_Radio said:

 

Slyde is another example of a game sold purely for the trophies, which most people on this website have seemingly forgotten by now. It's even easier than Ratalaika or My Name is Mayo 2. As a matter of fact, one of the easiest platinums you will ever get.

 

I admit to having bought Slyde myself, in a moment of weakness...

 

On 17/12/2020 at 5:55 AM, AJ_Radio said:

Trophy hunting in general is a big money commitment. If someone thinks I didn't spend thousands of dollars to get to where I am trophy wise they are dead wrong.

 

This is true - it's scary how much money we can invest into games, some of which we'll buy and then not actually start playing for a couple of years, due to the backlog(s).

 

Sometimes I look back on all the games I've played and wonder if that time couldn't have been spent more productively, or I'll estimate how much money I might have spent and then consider better uses for that money.  I'm taking some steps to help counter this by forcing myself to not buy any more games until I clear 15-20 games from my backlog, and also when I eventually buy a PS5 (at least 2 years before that will happen), I will be buying far fewer games for it.  I will turn 40 towards the end of this year, and as I get older, I'm likely to have less and less free time for playing games.

 

On 17/12/2020 at 5:55 AM, AJ_Radio said:

We use our computers and television screens more than we ever did in the past. Even if COVID-19 didn't happen, millions and billions of people would still spend hours a day on their computers because everything is more efficient and faster than it is to spend money driving somewhere to buy something. That is today's world and the times we live in.

 

Honestly, I try to do the opposite whenever possible.  I'll always look to buy something in a shop if it's an option, rather than just ordering it on Amazon or wherever.  Shopping in brick-and-mortar stores helps support your local economy, because you're supporting local businesses that employ local people.  It gives you a reason to switch off your PC or games console and get out of the house and spend some time outside.  You get some exercise and can arrange to meet a friend for a coffee or something. 

Obviously, we haven't been able to meet up with people since COVID came along, but when it's over and we can get back to our old lives (as much as possible, anyway), you can bet that I'll still shop in actual stores rather than online wherever possible.

 

On 17/12/2020 at 5:55 AM, AJ_Radio said:

I really don't care about the leaderboards at this point, since the raw platinum count means nothing anymore. Some people are going to get mad that I said this, but they don't concern me.

 

Same here - I've never given a damn about my leaderboard position.  I'm not competing against anyone, and couldn't care less if someone has more trophies than me, or is 1,000 places higher up the boards than I am.

[scemopagliaccioh]

Because it shows interest in the trophy hunting department.

Ratalaika games, for example, lots of players doing their easy stuff, but one More Dungeon has basically nobody buying that, companies take notice, and they don't lose anything in tweaking a trophy set, most of them are too busy making their b grade movie rather than videogame in the first place. 

So,  a very easy trophy list becomes a net positive, which makes trophy hunting not more a challenge you establish with yourself, but more like the company going "ohhh, little Jimmy bought the mov-game! Attaboy, here's the shiny shiny".

There's also the moral argument that  these companies prey on an addiction, for a quick buck, or in some cases, directly stay afloat, but who am I kidding, they'll probably go with other stuff, be it casinos or the dumb lootboxes shit.

[ScottishNub]

19 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said:

Because their mothers' didn't hug them enough.

 

That might seem like a cheap joke, but I'm actually deadly serious - the mentality is set early, usually in childhood, and is not an easy one to break.

 

It's about validation for their own efforts. They feel that they had to struggle for their own feelings of self-worth, and recoil at seeing others feel the same validation they do without the struggle. It came harder for them, so they feel like it should be harder to come by for others.

 

They see someone else getting a platinum medal with less effort than they put in for their own ones as cheapening their own.

 

It's the same argument bigots make about gay marriage 'cheapening' their own hetro-marriage. As if the actions of others affects the validity of their own worth.

 

What they forget though, is that the solution is not to be snide and negative. It's not to try to bring down the other people. Pulling someone else down doesn't make you taller. It just brings everyone low. 

 

 

The solution is just not to care.

That's a very interesting way to put it, except the gay marriage rights how straight people get annoyed at that, that's probably an american thing ? i recently got the platinum in ea sports ufc 3 the platinum isn't even above 1.00% and that platinum didn't feel devalued if someone played something like iron snout 6 times to completion

On 11/02/2021 at 2:17 AM, TomataEighty9 said:

I see why people think it's annoying that you can be "the best" trophy hunter in the world, by playing a bunch of easy bullcrap. And some people play a lot of hard and long games, and get little trophy points for it.

 

But i don't care about the leaderboards, for me, i only go for trophies in games i love. So the platinums for me, is something i enjoy, not for others to see, but for me to know i did it.

i actually call myself "best trophy hunter ever -cso" on discord for a joke cause i'm clearly not the best as there is no definitive meaning for it in the community, and it's also a slight dig at certain people who claim they are

[AJ_Radio]

14 hours ago, StewartBros said:

Back To The Future really was a fun game - I would still have played it even if it didn't have trophies.  I played it when it was being released episodically, before the disc release complete with platinum came out.  If I'd known it was getting a disc release, then I might have waited for that, but I was more than happy to support the devs by buying each individual episode as it was released, though if memory serves I waited until all 5 episodes were out before I started playing.

I think that was mostly because smaller games like Back to the Future couldn’t have a platinum due to the standards Sony set. You probably knew a lot of older PSN games and most indies were just 100 percent only titles. 
 

Personally I think TellTales older stuff was better. I watched a livestream of Guardians of the Galaxy and it was just your cliche, boring, cringeworthy acting type of game. TellTale just threw out the same game design, which is why Batman: The Enemy Within didn’t do all that great. That’s a big part of why they went under, although I’ll probably buy up the other Walking Deads in the near future. 
 

14 hours ago, StewartBros said:

This is true - it's scary how much money we can invest into games, some of which we'll buy and then not actually start playing for a couple of years, due to the backlog(s).

I avoid Flash Sales now. Makes a huge difference, and you have actual money in your pocket to spend on other things.

 

14 hours ago, StewartBros said:

Sometimes I look back on all the games I've played and wonder if that time couldn't have been spent more productively, or I'll estimate how much money I might have spent and then consider better uses for that money.  I'm taking some steps to help counter this by forcing myself to not buy any more games until I clear 15-20 games from my backlog, and also when I eventually buy a PS5 (at least 2 years before that will happen), I will be buying far fewer games for it.  I will turn 40 towards the end of this year, and as I get older, I'm likely to have less and less free time for playing games.

Another thing is you’ve had decades of gaming experience. Also, the gaming industry isn’t focused on guys aged 40 and up. The newer games are definitely indication the industry is targeting the younger generation. 
 

To be honest I’m considering buying just a few games on the PS5, then dropping it. I’m sort of tired of Sony’s shenanigans. This year will be mostly playing stuff on my backlog. If there is a new game out there at a reasonable price I may pick it up, but it won’t be often. 
 

I will buy a Switch late this year and play the 3-D Super Mario games, including Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. It’ll be good to play those classics all over again, especially Galaxy. Loved that game when it came out for the Wii. 
 

14 hours ago, StewartBros said:

Honestly, I try to do the opposite whenever possible.  I'll always look to buy something in a shop if it's an option, rather than just ordering it on Amazon or wherever.  Shopping in brick-and-mortar stores helps support your local economy, because you're supporting local businesses that employ local people.  It gives you a reason to switch off your PC or games console and get out of the house and spend some time outside.  You get some exercise and can arrange to meet a friend for a coffee or something. 

Obviously, we haven't been able to meet up with people since COVID came along, but when it's over and we can get back to our old lives (as much as possible, anyway), you can bet that I'll still shop in actual stores rather than online wherever possible.

I did the same. Used to scour Best Buy, Walmart, Barnes n Noble, Toys-R-Us (Rest in Piece) and Target talking to their employees. Had plenty of good and bad experiences, but the mutual feelings plus the interpersonal communication are something no internet discussion or text is going to replace. 
 

14 hours ago, StewartBros said:

Same here - I've never given a damn about my leaderboard position.  I'm not competing against anyone, and couldn't care less if someone has more trophies than me, or is 1,000 places higher up the boards than I am.

You’re never going to win. There will always be someone better, more talented, more skilled, and have more time on their hands. Time itself is basically a good measure of the leaderboards anyway.
 

It’s not healthy gaming. 

Edited February 12, 2021 by AJ_Radio

[Jelly Soup]

4 hours ago, AJ_Radio said:

I think that was mostly because smaller games like Back to the Future couldn’t have a platinum due to the standards Sony set. You probably knew a lot of older PSN games and most indies were just 100 percent only titles.

 

From dev interviews and community interactions from back then, most of the smaller games didn't seem worth the extra fee Sony requires to add a platinum if there was no express expectation to make that money back in a timely matter. In the specific case of TellTale Games, it was a technical limitation. There was an open discussion about it on their old forums in 2015 where a dev stated that, at first, since every episode was an individual game, which episode would get the platinum and how do we make the save specifically track that? The solution was to make the the base game episode one, then have the other episodes be DLC, everything tracked in one place.

[Dreakon13]

While a lot of people just collect trophies for their own fun, a lot of people probably see a trophy case as a pissing contest and something inherently intended to be shown off.  Neither way of doing it is incorrect IMO.  The trophy system has ways to compare your trophies to others for a reason... it's fun, interesting and competition is motivating.

 

I don't understand why people care about people who complain about easy platinum's lol.  If you're going after easy platinum's, you're either doing it for your own fun... in which case you don't care what other people think.  If you are doing it to show off and make your trophy case look bigger or better than it is... then take your lumps.  I don't think everyone has to respect you taking the easy route.

Edited February 12, 2021 by Dreakon13

[JohnCenaSong-]

I've never had a problem with the existence of easy platinum games etc. they've always been a thing and always will be because some games are hard and others are easy, that's just how it is. Not every game is made exclusively for the hardcore crowd. I think it would be a bit gatekeeping to say, for example, something like "Hannah Montanna shouldn't have a plat". Why not? I don't think the difficulty of the game should be a decider on whether a game should or shouldn't have a platinum (I think for consistency sake all games should gave a platinum as a mark of game completion). Quantity of platinums a player owns doesn't really matter and you can always see where those platinums come from if anyone really cares about their #HardcoreGamer e-peen.

 

The only 2 things that slightly bother me with the structure of the trophy system over time are:

 

1) Game appropriate lists - A lot of games out there don't have lists that seem appropriate to the games content. For example, a lot of AAA games have hard modes but don't require them for the platinum? I always used to think the concept of 100%ing the achievements for a game were to represent 100%ing the game but often that's not the case. To bring Hannah Montanna into the equation, despite being an easy game, that's an appropriate list if I'm not mistaken. I haven't played it myself but from what little I've heard you have to do everything and get top scores etc. and whilst it's easy to do that'd be an actual 100% game completion requirement so... makes sense for a trophy list to me. Meanwhile let's take another random game, God of War 2018, where you can get the platinum without even touching a higher difficulty and 100%ing the game, or Doom Eternal which not too long ago I 100% completed despite having already unlocked the platinum long before that, it doesn't make sense to me. On the flip-side, there's kids games and casual games which throw out random more difficult achievements that aren't tied to the games completion at all. Whilst I think it's overrated in difficulty and overhated, take Infallible from Fall Guys, is it necessarily appropriate for a casual game like that? Or what about games where you've 100% the content but for some reason an achievement is like "Yo! Kill this arbitrary number of enemies" or "Die 1000 times". Frankly, the player should just have the platinum at that point, that's just silly mindless post-completion grind for the sake of it. Would be nice to just have a consistent structure where a platinum says 'I completed this game' and the game title says 'This is what game that is '. Easy to judge at a glance, no need to be a trophy expert, hard game is hard platinum, easy game is easy platinum, either way, you know the person completed it all in that game.

 

2) Stacks - Really simple and self explanatory, this can be acceptable for multiple platforms (particularly during a generation transition) and naturally remasters etc. will get another list, but having a seperate list for every store region the games available in is baffling and it's obviously exploited by certain publishers. They know exactly what they're doing when they shovel out a game I'd expect to be free on flash sites back in the day and attempt to sell it to you numerous times, they're exploiting trophy addicts for a quick buck. Yes, it's a niche community and their entire business model doesn't revolve around it, but that doesn't mean they're doing this 'accidentally' or they're innocent. They used to advertise the stacks quite prominently but I haven't seen it in a while, wonder if maybe they got into trouble with Sony over advertising it, didn't Sony remove another game from the store for advertising itself as a quick plat? 1 game, 1 trophy list as far as I'm concerned. If you complete the game *ding* platinum. If you don't, well you have however many trophies you have by the end of you time with it. Again this ties into a neat structured system, having the same game show up a dozen times looks crazy. It's nice just just see what yourself and other people have/haven't completed in a neat organised fashion, stacks just bloat and messy the profile.

 

If you want to play these crap games and stack them for trophies then by all means do it! Everyone is free to enjoy themselves however they want and I'm not going to shame someone for having a load of easy games on their list, they certainly have a lot more patience for bad games than me which I admire that perseverance. I wouldn't even be able to 100% just one of those games, it's technically not as 'easy' as people make out, need to be pretty resilient and I admit I absolutely couldn't do it. Also, to have that much disposable income to casually throw away on increasing a number on your profile, obviously the persons in a better financial position than me, good on them. Some of these people have a lot of free time and disposable cash, isn't that the dream? Money and time? So what if they're not spending it how you would, they're enjoying themselves ?

 

The only reason it's worth 'roasting' someone with an easy trophy whore account is as a clapback if they're publicly trying to brag about it and frame it as if it makes them a more skilled gamer but honestly... 1) you can ignore them and not say anything and 2) I've never actually seen anyone do that unironically. I've seen people boast about being a good trophy hunter, but yes, technically that's accurate because they have a lot of trophies. But I've never seen anyone try and make the claim that their Ratalaika filled list makes them a 'better' gamer other than as a joke to bait elitists .

 

In short, to each their own, but I would have liked to see improvements, better regulation and consistent structure to the trophy system in general which would effectively eliminate a lot of this.

 

Systems broke, but I ain't mad ?

[Darling Baphomet]

I mean, how would you feel if you and a community of other... let's say, runners, for years would compete in friendly marathons to see who's the best at running - would dedicate huge amounts of time to this, in fact - and then all of a sudden, people started using bikes in said marathons and winning with much less time and effort than you had invested?

 

That's not to say trophy elitists are inherently correct, but for people who try to make an honorable sport out of trophy hunting, people being able to spam hundreds of platinums with zero effort inherently makes things less satisfying for everyone involved. I had trophy hunting events ruined for me for a while because I spent a month hunting rare games with my team, and then right at the end a few teams got carried to the end by just spamming dozens (if not more) of Rata games in the span of a week.

[DrBloodmoney]

There’s perfectly reasonable points being made on all sides here - @Darling Baphomet makes a perfectly well reasoned analogy against easy games - as have others -, @JohnCenaSong- and other folks make completely valid and compelling points in favour of them.

 

It’s an argument that has been going on since the start of the achievement/trophy age - and will be perennial.

Pretty much everyone on here broadly agrees that ‘too many’ easy games on a profile with ‘not enough’ hard ones is ‘not as good’ as other ‘better’ profiles....

....but there will never be a broad consensus on what actually constitutes ‘too many’ or ‘not enough’, or quite how ‘not as good’ or exactly how much ‘better’ we really mean

???

There won’t ever be a set of definitive rules for a ‘good’ profile - it’ll always be too subjective.

 

I mean, how many of my Artifex Mundi games (which I actually, y’know, like...) does my Cuphead platinum negate?

 

How many visual novels can I play with my Majika 2 platinum credit?

 

Do I need to tear my hair out over that ‘Mein Lieben’ trophy in Wolfenstein 2 just to pay penance for my Terminator Salvation platinum, or do my Chime Sharp and Lumines Remastered plats cover me on that one?

 

Am I allowed to play cool little indies like Football Game, Uncanny Valley and Lone Survivor, as long as I have Nex Machina and Dead Nation on my profile too? 
 

Can I double up and get Arkham Asylum or Resident Evil 5 or Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood remakes on top of the originals, as long as all my Ratalaika games aren’t stacked too?

 

Can I love Superliminal and Return of the Obra Dinn and Outer Wilds, as long as I also love Bloodborne and Sekiro?

 

Did 36 Fragments of Midnight instantly relegate my profile to the dustbin of PSNP, or did my Syndicate plat grant me a stay of execution?

 

Is Mortal Shell too easy?

Is Mortal Shell too hard?

???

??

?

...see what I mean?

 

Some of you probably had instant answers to those questions - but I bet if we asked 10 trophy hunters, we’d get 10 different sets of answers - all equally emphatic and all equally valid!

 

 

I mean, let’s face it - profiles with more than a few dozen platinums on them that have no easy games are pretty rare - but to be honest, so are profiles with nothing but easy 1 hour platinums!

 

 

Almost all of us have profiles that are somewhere in between, and all this kind of argument does is create little wedges we use to  make ourselves feel better, or make others feel worse about a hobby that - in the end - we are all in together!

 

Remember - tearing others down doesn’t make you taller, and a rising tide lifts all boats.
 

❤️

Edited February 12, 2021 by DrBloodmoney

[PalaceOfLove706]

39 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

There’s perfectly reasonable points being made on all sides here - @Darling Baphomet makes a perfectly well reasoned analogy against easy games - as have others -, @JohnCenaSong- and other folks make completely valid and compelling points in favour of them.

 

It’s an argument that has been going on since the start of the achievement/trophy age - and will be perennial.

Pretty much everyone on here broadly agrees that ‘too many’ easy games on a profile with ‘not enough’ hard ones is ‘not as good’ as other ‘better’ profiles....

....but there will never be a broad consensus on what actually constitutes ‘too many’ or ‘not enough’, or quite how ‘not as good’ or exactly how much ‘better’ we really mean

???

There won’t ever be a set of definitive rules for a ‘good’ profile - it’ll always be too subjective.

 

I mean, how many of my Artifex Mundi games (which I actually, y’know, like...) does my Cuphead platinum negate?

 

How many visual novels can I play with my Majika 2 platinum credit?

 

Do I need to tear my hair out over that ‘Mein Lieben’ trophy in Wolfenstein 2 just to pay penance for my Terminator Salvation platinum, or do my Chime Sharp and Lumines Remastered plats cover me on that one?

 

Am I allowed to play cool little indies like Football Game, Uncanny Valley and Lone Survivor, as long as I have Nex Machina and Dead Nation on my profile too? 
 

Can I double up and get Arkham Asylum or Resident Evil 5 or Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood remakes on top of the originals, as long as all my Ratalaika games aren’t stacked too?

 

Can I love Superliminal and Return of the Obra Dinn and Outer Wilds, as long as I also love Bloodborne and Sekiro?

 

Did 36 Fragments of Midnight instantly relegate my profile to the dustbin of PSNP, or did my Syndicate plat grant me a stay of execution?

 

Is Mortal Shell too easy?

Is Mortal Shell too hard?

???

??

?

...see what I mean?

 

Some of you probably had instant answers to those questions - but I bet if we asked 10 trophy hunters, we’d get 10 different sets of answers - all equally emphatic and all equally valid!

 

 

I mean, let’s face it - profiles with more than a few dozen platinums on them that have no easy games are pretty rare - but to be honest, so are profiles with nothing but easy 1 hour platinums!

 

 

Almost all of us have profiles that are somewhere in between, and all this kind of argument does is create little wedges we use to  make ourselves feel better, or make others feel worse about a hobby that - in the end - we are all in together!

 

Remember - tearing others down doesn’t make you taller, and a rising tide lifts all boats.
 

❤️

36 fragments of midnight was fucking hard.

 

That is all.

[totakos1]

Everyone should play what they like and enjoy, and nobody should complain about what game the other person is playing! Bottom line he/she is playing the game! About these games though it seems that some developers took advantage of the trophy system for profit(haven’t play them so I might be wrong) but definitely it can’t  be any comparison with games like God of war,last of us etc.

[ScottishNub]

8 hours ago, Darling Baphomet said:

I mean, how would you feel if you and a community of other... let's say, runners, for years would compete in friendly marathons to see who's the best at running - would dedicate huge amounts of time to this, in fact - and then all of a sudden, people started using bikes in said marathons and winning with much less time and effort than you had invested?

 

That's not to say trophy elitists are inherently correct, but for people who try to make an honorable sport out of trophy hunting, people being able to spam hundreds of platinums with zero effort inherently makes things less satisfying for everyone involved. I had trophy hunting events ruined for me for a while because I spent a month hunting rare games with my team, and then right at the end a few teams got carried to the end by just spamming dozens (if not more) of Rata games in the span of a week.

Bruh imagine people thinking trophy hunting is a sport, i don't know if it exists but maybe a competition for the hardcore of people who go for those rare games only where the platinum percentage max can only be at 30%  that would be more entertaining compared to a bank account flex

[Darling Baphomet]

57 minutes ago, ScottishNub said:

Bruh imagine people thinking trophy hunting is a sport, i don't know if it exists but maybe a competition for the hardcore of people who go for those rare games only where the platinum percentage max can only be at 30%  that would be more entertaining compared to a bank account flex

 

You're literally on a trophy hunting forum, my bruh.

[DrBloodmoney]

10 hours ago, PalaceOfLove706 said:

36 fragments of midnight was fucking hard.

 

That is all.

? I’m sorry my friend - it was just The first ‘easy’ one that came to mind!

I found it pretty simple, but it’s possible all that Desert Golfing on iOS had trained me up already!

[Yuber6969]

I can't speak for everyone, but this is how I feel about it.

 

I try to be a gamer first, and a trophy hunter second. If I played an easy game like SpongeBob HeroPants then:

a) I either had fun or at least thought I would have fun

and

b ) even though a game like this isn't challenging, some degree of effort was involved in getting the platinum

 

On the other hand, if I'm going to play a game like My Name is Mayo, I'm not doing it for fun, or for an interesting story; I'm doing it solely for an effortless platinum.

 

I look at all profiles on this site as a showcase of one's accomplishments, and it is not an accomplishment to tap X for an hour. I wouldn't go as far as to say I "hate" people who play these games, but I will say that I immediately lose interest in their profile when I see games like that.

[Rally-Vincent---]

14 hours ago, Darling Baphomet said:

I mean, how would you feel if you and a community of other... let's say, runners, for years would compete in friendly marathons to see who's the best at running - would dedicate huge amounts of time to this, in fact - and then all of a sudden, people started using bikes in said marathons and winning with much less time and effort than you had invested?

 

They don't let runners start 10 years ahead. Is someone a better runner because they have a headstart of 5.000 miles? And I am sorry to say, if someone runs a 100m sprint and another one runs a 10km cross, the first one is not using a bike. He runs a different track.

 

22 hours ago, Dreakon13 said:

While a lot of people just collect trophies for their own fun, a lot of people probably see a trophy case as a pissing contest and something inherently intended to be shown off.  Neither way of doing it is incorrect IMO.  The trophy system has ways to compare your trophies to others for a reason... it's fun, interesting and competition is motivating.

 

Adding to that: It's not wrong to play a certain way. What is, though, is telling other players off because they play differently. And we have a lot of people of that type on this site.

[Dreakon13]

38 minutes ago, Rally-Vincent--- said:

Adding to that: It's not wrong to play a certain way. What is, though, is telling other players off because they play differently. And we have a lot of people of that type on this site.

 

It depends.

 

This site is like a gaming achievement convention.  Everyone gets together to talk about their accomplishments and trophy cases, and ultimately critique every element of it.  If this were a real world event, and people set up stands to show off their trophies, I guarantee you the people with real accomplishments would be annoyed by the people with twice as many trophies as them that mean almost nothing... and in that context, I think people would understand it better.

[PalaceOfLove706]

3 hours ago, Dreakon13 said:

 

It depends.

 

This site is like a gaming achievement convention.  Everyone gets together to talk about their accomplishments and trophy cases, and ultimately critique every element of it.  If this were a real world event, and people set up stands to show off their trophies, I guarantee you the people with real accomplishments would be annoyed by the people with twice as many trophies as them that mean almost nothing... and in that context, I think people would understand it better.

As someone who will collect any kind of trophy, they don’t mean nothing. Meaning is what you put into something. If I say they’re meaningful, because I like to go up the leaderboard and I enjoy the challenge those “easy” games sometimes present, then they’re meaningful. The idea people produce meaning is a basic tenant of symbolic interactionism. The problem here is people like to make sweeping narratives and impose a lack of meaning on others. It’s a form of what Pierre Bordieu would call symbolic violence, and it’s stupid.

 

Squareboy vs Bullies, Freddy Spaghetti, 36 Fragments of Midnight, Perplexing Orb 2, the list goes on, these are all games I almost couldn’t plat because of difficulty but people on this site smear them immediately even when they haven’t even played them.

 

And why is that? They look at a stat like length to complete or the completion percentage and automatically critique the process. But then in the next breath, these very users will say, “stop obsessing about ultra rare, it doesn’t mean anything, just have fun.” Basically, what I’m seeing on this site is trophy existentialism - every stat and accomplishment is no longer anything, and if you don’t agree with that, get out of here. I get people are generally depressed by the pandemic but this is a site about statistics and a community around that. “Try” embracing it a little more, see how that makes you feel. Maybe, just maybe, it’ll be like being a kid all over again.

 

I bought the games and supported the companies not because I’m being preyed on for an addiction, but because I often genuinely enjoyed the game and trophy list.

 

I have almost 700 games played on my profile. Many of them are games people here tend to respect more. If I dip my hand in Mayo, don’t be turned off by the smell. There are different strokes for different folks. There is absolutely nothing “wrong” with my profile and in fact, I will continue to show it off.

Edited February 13, 2021 by PalaceOfLove706

[Rally-Vincent---]

17 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said:

 

It depends.

 

This site is like a gaming achievement convention. 

 

For me, it isn't. For me, it is a database, a place to talk about video gaming and to discover new games to play. I keep track of my trophies here because it's convinient, but I did that on my console before I discovered this site, but that's not what I am here for.

 

Now, we can differ and discuss about what the site is to whom, that is fine and valid, but it stops for me if someone said:" You are using the site wrongly" - which is about the same as someone saying to another: "Your profile is trash because you play ez-pz games and stack them." That's the line people overstep here quite often.

[Sword]

It just makes me laugh because some people are like "you're having no fun playing these easy games, your profile is trash, you should be having fun! Stop caring about your completion % and play hard games or else you're nothing!" (obviously super exaggerated but some people really are like this). As though someone can't have fun playing easy games. It's a hoot honestly.

 

And then I'm like "Oh really? So I should intentionally play super hard games then that are specifically ultra rare? Cherry pick my games purposely avoiding easier games? Give up fun just to not play easier games and beat my head on wall for days just to earn some arbitrary ultra rare that I didn't enjoy? And all for what? To appease your ego about what you want to see?" Give me a break. Obviously some people do this and they are pretty respected in the community, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to trophy hunt.

 

It's why I'm just over all of it. I've already had some negativity thrown my way just because I like completion % and yada yada. At this point I'm just going to load my profile up with so many ezpz's and grindy tough games that everyone will be confused. I'll have the best of both worlds and a high % completion. Take that, ya land lubbers. Aye ya ya.

 

[PalaceOfLove706]

32 minutes ago, Sword said:

 

And then I'm like "Oh really? So I should intentionally play super hard games then that are specifically ultra rare? Cherry pick my games purposely avoiding easier games? Give up fun just to not play easier games and beat my head on wall for days just to earn some arbitrary ultra rare that I didn't enjoy? And all for what? To appease your ego about what you want to see?" Give me a break. Obviously some people do this and they are pretty respected in the community, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to trophy hunt.

 

Thank you for demolishing the other side of this discourse in a paragraph. Really enjoyed it. 

[Dreakon13]

7 hours ago, PalaceOfLove706 said:

As someone who will collect any kind of trophy, they don’t mean nothing. Meaning is what you put into something. If I say they’re meaningful, because I like to go up the leaderboard and I enjoy the challenge those “easy” games sometimes present, then they’re meaningful. The idea people produce meaning is a basic tenant of symbolic interactionism. The problem here is people like to make sweeping narratives and impose a lack of meaning on others. It’s a form of what Pierre Bordieu would call symbolic violence, and it’s stupid.

 

Squareboy vs Bullies, Freddy Spaghetti, 36 Fragments of Midnight, Perplexing Orb 2, the list goes on, these are all games I almost couldn’t plat because of difficulty but people on this site smear them immediately even when they haven’t even played them.

 

And why is that? They look at a stat like length to complete or the completion percentage and automatically critique the process. But then in the next breath, these very users will say, “stop obsessing about ultra rare, it doesn’t mean anything, just have fun.” Basically, what I’m seeing on this site is trophy existentialism - every stat and accomplishment is no longer anything, and if you don’t agree with that, get out of here. I get people are generally depressed by the pandemic but this is a site about statistics and a community around that. “Try” embracing it a little more, see how that makes you feel. Maybe, just maybe, it’ll be like being a kid all over again.

 

I bought the games and supported the companies not because I’m being preyed on for an addiction, but because I often genuinely enjoyed the game and trophy list.

 

I have almost 700 games played on my profile. Many of them are games people here tend to respect more. If I dip my hand in Mayo, don’t be turned off by the smell. There are different strokes for different folks. There is absolutely nothing “wrong” with my profile and in fact, I will continue to show it off.

 

7 hours ago, Rally-Vincent--- said:

 

For me, it isn't. For me, it is a database, a place to talk about video gaming and to discover new games to play. I keep track of my trophies here because it's convinient, but I did that on my console before I discovered this site, but that's not what I am here for.

 

Now, we can differ and discuss about what the site is to whom, that is fine and valid, but it stops for me if someone said:" You are using the site wrongly" - which is about the same as someone saying to another: "Your profile is trash because you play ez-pz games and stack them." That's the line people overstep here quite often.

 

I'm not saying anyone is doing anything wrong.  Just that this is a site dedicated to trophy hunting, which systematically revolves around recording, comparing and critiquing our accomplishments.  Don't be surprised or offended if/when people do just that as you willfully bring your trophy case into the public eye.

Edited February 13, 2021 by Dreakon13

[PalaceOfLove706]

42 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said:

 

 

I'm not saying anyone is doing anything wrong.  Just that this is a site dedicated to trophy hunting, which systematically revolves around recording, comparing and critiquing our accomplishments.  Don't be surprised or offended if/when people do just that as you willfully bring your trophy case into the public eye.

I would be very offended if PSN Profiles dare critiqued their devoted, skilled Master! 

[Rally-Vincent---]

1 hour ago, Dreakon13 said:

I'm not saying anyone is doing anything wrong.  Just that this is a site dedicated to trophy hunting, which systematically revolves around recording, comparing and critiquing our accomplishments.  Don't be surprised or offended if/when people do just that as you willfully bring your trophy case into the public eye.

 

I didn't want to convey that you said something like that. You didn't. Sorry if that came across differently. - And people are fine to have an opinion about my or anyone else's profile. They just shan't tell others what and what not to play. That is something very different.

[ProfBambam55]

question: doesn't the addition of lightning quick, skilless trophy infested profiles make super elite ultra cosmic rare trophy profiles more rare and special?...or am I missing something?...