Psn Account permamently suspended

[Sagaan]

Howdy peeps,

I got few questions, last day my account got permamently suspended. My plus and other games dat i loaded on my main Account still works on all accounts. I pre ordered 2 games dat gets out in few months. Will i be able to play dem? Reason for ban was in onigiri ( ps 4 mmo ) i sold ingame items for psn cards, i also wrote in the community dat i sell dem items for psn cards, dat was also the reason for the perm ban. I never got a ban in 10 years of the existens of my acc. For 2 years i had a Warning for insulting some dude in a community. I called the support in america since im from german but my acc is usa. They gave me a link for writing some sentences why should i get unban and stuff. Any1 have expierence with dat? Have i chances to get my acc unban? In my eyes dat ban reason was to hard and its not ban worthy imo. Dunno if i want to start playing on a new account and stuff meeh.

[SKiL_Clash]

I have no solution for this since I never experienced it. But I feel like that ban won’t be leaving anytime soon since that’s probably a major violation of Sony’s ToS. I would suggest contacting them. As for your pre orders, I’m assuming they could let you cancel and re order on another account if you’re unable to log into the suspended account. 
 

Again, no clue if that’s the correct solution. Good luck.

Edited March 26, 2021 by SKiL_Clash

[DerelictSoul]

well if you do send the info to the link they sent you, don't say things like dat or dem

[Sagaan]

Just now, SKiL_Clash said:

I have no solution for this since I never experienced it. But I feel like that ban won’t be leaving anytime soon since that’s probably a major violation of Sony’s ToS. I would suggest contacting them. As for your pre orders, I’m assuming they could let you cancel and re order on another account if you’re unable to log into they suspended account. 
 

Again, no clue if that’s the correct solution. Good luck.

I hope they make it from perm to temporary lets say 7-30 days around. I have to wait 5 business days till i get response from em rip

[JoesusHCrust]

Take 400 years extra ban time for excessive use of 'dat' and 'dem' ?

 

[Troz]

sorry to say, sounds like you deserved it. and I bet the team believes this also, knowing you used psn cards for what its not intended for. good luck though, you have a nice account 

[Guest]

What you are about to say or tell them is very important, I suggest you lawyer up and actually get some professional help. What you are gonna say to them now may have more troubling implementations in the future.

3.1.   All information provided during Account creation must be accurate. We reserve the right to terminate any Account that uses or was created using false information, or that we determine was created for a purpose that violates this Agreement.

 

But you already violated using false information to say you are US. Hmm...

[SnowxSakura]

4 minutes ago, NERVergoproxy said:

What you are about to say or tell them is very important, I suggest you lawyer up and actually get some professional help. What you are gonna say to them now may have more troubling implementations in the future.

Lawyer isn't going to do much if they violated the terms of service they agreed to

[Guest]

1 minute ago, SnowxSakura said:

Lawyer isn't going to do much if they violated the terms of service they agreed to

Might help get him a lesser sentencing...

than perma ban fo rlife.

[Troz]

18 minutes ago, NERVergoproxy said:

What you are about to say or tell them is very important, I suggest you lawyer up and actually get some professional help

 

 Lawyer up? This is a playstation account. They had full rights to ban him. No need to take this to court dude.

[AJ_Radio]

I hate to say it, but your punishment for how you handled PSN cards was deserved. 
 

However, Sony these past few years has gone down the tubes in regards to how they have handled messages and the PS App for the PS4 and PS5. 
 

Ever since Sony moved their headquarters to California and changed their name to SIE (Sony Interactive Entertainment) they have been hellbent on censorship and punishing anyone who so much as makes a mild insult towards someone in Messages or Party Chat. 
 

System Update 8.00 for the PS4 took out a long time feature and changed how Party Chats are handled. Now you have to comply with Sony’s rules in regards to them having the ability to record your voice in Party Chat. Insults and swearing in a casual manner are likely to be seen as warnings and suspensions. 
 

Does that smell like censorship and political correctness to you guys? 
 

All the giant corporations in California are hellbent on censorship, the entire state is a sinking sink. Yet we allow them to pry into our personal data and share that data to advertisers and others. Sony since they moved to California has enacted censorship rules that have made Japanese developers to look to other companies to distribute their games. 
 

Ironic, since Sony as a whole is a Japanese company. California is all too eager to throw censorship bullcrap and now treats the gamers like Twitter treats it’s audience. You can’t breath a few meters ahead of you without someone being all offended. 
 

I wish Sony was more like Steam, but we all know that is a pipe dream.

Edited March 26, 2021 by AJ_Radio

[WhoElseBut-Matty]

9 minutes ago, DenDigger said:

EDIT:
Who genuinely read the ToS when they created their account?  do we need to start a poll?

doubt anyone has actually spent the time to read through even half of the entire TOS no matter the console although if someone has i would personally give them credit where it's due that is some determination 

[dieselmanchild]

Unfortunately, based on the fact you were engaged in real world trading and selling cards and there’s direct evidence posted by your account on Sony’s networks, I think the chance of you getting unbanned is very slim.

 

You could (and should) fill out the appeal they sent you, and make sure you write something really apologetic and remorseful and remind them that you’re a long time customer who spends a lot of money on their products. Ask them for a second chance to redeem yourself. It’s a shot in the dark, but who knows right? Maybe an actual human being will be the one to handle the appeal and take pity on you.

 

This is a really shitty deal for you though man, I feel for you. I know many of my stone cold brethren here on PSNP will likely have little sympathy for you, but in my personal opinion, a permanent ban is an extremely excessive punishment for what you did (assuming you’re telling the full story).
 

I think the majority of offences committed are minor enough that an official warning and reminder of the TOS and community guidelines would suffice in 99% of cases and be enough to scare most people straight. In those slightly more serious violations, or in a case such as yours, maybe a temporary ban of a few weeks would be appropriate. The punishment should always fit the crime. Permanent bans should be reserved for people who have committed very serious offences.

 

I hope you get things sorted man. Good luck. And stay out of trouble lol.

 

 

 

 

[scemopagliaccioh]

Ayoo, so, listen up, we finna get to the bottom of this  mufugga.

Don't try to appeal that you don't  deserve the ban, Sony won't listen, try to appeal on the fact that it was a  joke, you're sorry etc,  if you wrote those messages in the community  like in the OP, you're already halfway there in convincing them,  now,   I don't know if your alt account was from Germany (add that the reason you have an USA accoumt was because you lived there in the past, and you can't change country if you're questioned),  leave all psn conversations where you made a transaction with other accounts, bonus point if you never made those transactions there. Create a new account,  same country on the one you got banned, thete's no reason to  connect other important  accounts and risk them. Contact them with the new account  and try to appeal based on the fact you weren't  serious, and you'd never do this seriously, because you're scared your bank informations may leak (rofl, but shhhh) on this bitch.

You fuck'd up dog, it's a shot in the dark, if it works, nice, if it doesn't, you'll have to cut up your losses and  move on.

Edited March 26, 2021 by scemopagliaccioh

[BrandedBerserk]

15 hours ago, DenDigger said:

I guess but it seems like there's something bigger behind the censorship changes in the past couple years, like there's some higher up like Tencent or something making demands.

 

It's not that hard to piece together. The current political climate in the west is most likely the main reason why they've made certain changes. If the education system, journalists, news outlets, film industry and pretty much every other fabric of society has fallen in line with woke ideologies what makes you think Sony will somehow be able to get around it? I do agree with you that there should be warnings for things like these though but I suppose with the amount of users and reports they probably get it's too much of a hassle for em. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by BrandedBerserk

[GUDGER666]

4 hours ago, DenDigger said:

I got perma banned on my main for asking to buy someone's ps3 title via ebay (rare from asia), I asked them on the ps messaging platform/app, they perma banned me for this

Seriously? How is that worthy of a perma ban? This is one thing Sony really need to sort out, some people get banned for ridiculous reasons. I've had people sending me nudes, sending extremely nasty and racist messages, and one guy who said he was gonna chop my head off.. what happened, absolutely nothing. 

[ladynadiad]

2 hours ago, DenDigger said:

I guess but it seems like there's something bigger behind the censorship changes in the past couple years, like there's some higher up like Tencent or something making demands.

I personally think warnings should be given out before instant ban, even just a: 'Hey, you need to stop doing X, we see what you're doing, so if you want to keep your account you've invested time and money into, stop it"' - even if it is a temp ban for a month or something..  maybe just a ban from messaging users?   Anything is better than losing everything..

But hey they already have your money, they don't give a shit!

EDIT:
Who genuinely read the ToS when they created their account?  do we need to start a poll?

 

The warning is the ToS that we agree to.  Even if people don't read it, they are still saying that they have read and agree with it upon creating an account.  People honestly should be reading them because they are a legal and binding contract and the user has no leg to stand on if they violate it and are banned.  Not reading them isn't an excuse when they said they did.  Now I know I'm one of those rare folks who actually does read them, but that comes from having worked in a law firm for two years and seeing the results of people not reading them.

 

1 minute ago, GUDGER666 said:

Seriously? How is that worthy of a perma ban? This is one thing Sony really need to sort out, some people get banned for ridiculous reasons. I've had people sending me nudes, sending extremely nasty and racist messages, and one guy who said he was gonna chop my head off.. what happened, absolutely nothing. 

 

Because buying and selling product is a huge source of fraud, scams and account theft.  If Sony wanted to give users the ability to sell stuff on PSN they'd make a marketplace like Steam has and enjoy getting a profit off each transaction.  But it's a huge hassle because of the amount of fraud and scams that happen.

Edited March 26, 2021 by ladynadiad

[GUDGER666]

21 minutes ago, ladynadiad said:

Because buying and selling product is a huge source of fraud, scams and account theft.  If Sony wanted to give users the ability to sell stuff on PSN they'd make a marketplace like Steam has and enjoy getting a profit off each transaction.  But it's a huge hassle because of the amount of fraud and scams that happen.

No way is that worthy of an instant ban, that's a warning at most. 

[Floorkiller74]

38 minutes ago, GUDGER666 said:

Seriously? How is that worthy of a perma ban? This is one thing Sony really need to sort out, some people get banned for ridiculous reasons. I've had people sending me nudes, sending extremely nasty and racist messages, and one guy who said he was gonna chop my head off.. what happened, absolutely nothing. 

 

 

Have you reported that stuff? I get that every once and awhile, and Sony has always been very quick to take care of it. 

[Pottercito_]

People can gameshare and exchange PSN acc informations bit it is forbidden to transfer information/PSN products through PSN messages, that's why it is a perma ban because Sony has there all the evidence that people are getting benefit of digital products. 

 

Sell or buy PSN items through other platformes dude and avoid using that contractions or whatever it is called, I think they are forbidden ib the forums as far as I know, I read that in the rules or something like that

Edited March 26, 2021 by Pottercito_

[Guest]

2 hours ago, GUDGER666 said:

Seriously? How is that worthy of a perma ban? This is one thing Sony really need to sort out, some people get banned for ridiculous reasons. I've had people sending me nudes, sending extremely nasty and racist messages, and one guy who said he was gonna chop my head off.. what happened, absolutely nothing. 

If you report them, most likely they'll perma ban.

Damn, I'm sorry for you, man.

[Sikutai]

Always be nice to other players. Sony takes insults very seriously and takes immediate action against it. I know that because I immediately report anyone who insults me on PSN.

 

2 hours ago, GUDGER666 said:

No way is that worthy of an instant ban, that's a warning at most. 

 

2 hours ago, ladynadiad said:

 

Because buying and selling product is a huge source of fraud, scams and account theft.  If Sony wanted to give users the ability to sell stuff on PSN they'd make a marketplace like Steam has and enjoy getting a profit off each transaction.  But it's a huge hassle because of the amount of fraud and scams that happen.

 

That's the worst thing you can do on PSN, how do you come up with ideas like that? If Sony finds out something like that, there is always a perma ban immediately, which is understandable for me.

 

5 hours ago, DenDigger said:

Who genuinely read the ToS when they created their account?  do we need to start a poll?

 

The ToS also says: Only real addresses belonging to the account owner may be used. Don't let them find out what many are doing here with all their fake addresses abroad.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Sikutai

[Dry]

Trading games and cards via PSN social features using “dis” and “dat” among other grammar/punctuation errors is a common symptom of a scammer. Whether you would really trade the content or not I still wouldn’t ahead what you’re doing, especially on any of PlayStation’s servers. The way I see this is you’ve been using the same account for a long while but then you go make these monetary deals, screwing you with a permanent ban. It’s indisputable that Sony has every legal right to cease access to your activity but does that make the action they’ve taken in this case just? Personally I say no. You deserve a big warning and/or temporary suspension but not an entire ban, at least from what I’m reading even if it’s not all that intelligent. If you were to successfully fuck with another user’s financial status then yes, your account should be taken away regardless of how much you’ve invested into it.

 

As someone who’s decade old account was terminated due to a very minor mishap years after fucking up big enough to be told the next offence will result in a permanent ban, my greatest suggestion for anyone reading this if you can’t be 100% careful when socialising is to drop player interactions all together. The PlayStation Network is one of (if not, the most) authoritarian online platforms in the gaming industry. Other platforms run in a similar manner but I find myself agreeing with @AJ_Radio about Sony’s moderation in conjunction with the evolution of their brand in recent years, with how easy it is to be called out for the slightest comments to protect some weak souls on the internet more people will come to the conclusion that the PSN is not an ideal place for player interaction/forum.

 

PS4 Communities is the best example of this and where I made my last “offence”. Communities is easy to access and so many users have socially benefitted from it (trophy hunting communities especially) but in a group of let’s say 50k members, you can guarantee hundreds of Doomers reading excessive amounts of comments to silence even the least controversial posts meanwhile there are plenty of instances where throwaway accounts that somehow get away with uploading NSFW images. Reminds me so much of YouTube’s continued inconsistency with their Community Guidelines where content creators can’t say shit about one another but if you’re a Celebrity, Major Corporation, American TV Host or Musician it’s ok. Wherever money and politics may go, double standards will follow.

 

Recently Sony announced that PS4 Communities will be discontinued. Those who enjoy the feature will certainly not be thrilled and it just reinforces the idea that a greater (or equal) amount of features are being removed than those being added. All is completely justified but I don’t personally miss PS4 Communities not only because there are better chances of getting reported by one of Sony’s Little Helpers but the only true browsing experience is browsing away from the console. Back before I say no reason to waste time on my console that could’ve been spent playing games when I could just browse everything with my phone on the bus/train going home from school. It’s also a great image transfer outside of PS Messaging too but then Sony decided to drop support for no specified reason, here I completely lost all reason to continue use of the feature.

 

Overall I view myself as a centrist when it comes to the approach these online platforms. I don’t wish for the PSN to follow the steps of NeoGAF, ResetERA or really any big social media/network site but I’m not asking for a “Wild West” environment like 4chan either. Unfortunately it appears Sony is leaning towards one side instead of creating a heathy balance between creating/enforcing an appropriate set of rules and give freedom here and there. Moderators taking action against users for political reasons on a personal level (regardless of the Terms Of Service) also something that needs to be looked at, especially after a certain someone was censored on Twitter months ago but think of that what you will.

 

TL;DR: The OP’s permanent ban is debatable and Sony’s current approach to moderation is a concern both today and for the future of PlayStation as a whole.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Slim Vanilla

[Sendai-Horatio]

6 hours ago, AJ_Radio said:

I hate to say it, but your punishment for how you handled PSN cards was deserved. 
 

However, Sony these past few years has gone down the tubes in regards to how they have handled messages and the PS App for the PS4 and PS5. 
 

Ever since Sony moved their headquarters to California and changed their name to SIE (Sony Interactive Entertainment) they have been hellbent on censorship and punishing anyone who so much as makes a mild insult towards someone in Messages or Party Chat. 
 

System Update 8.00 for the PS4 took out a long time feature and changed how Party Chats are handled. Now you have to comply with Sony’s rules in regards to them having the ability to record your voice in Party Chat. Insults and swearing in a casual manner are likely to be seen as warnings and suspensions. 
 

Does that smell like censorship and political correctness to you guys? 
 

All the giant corporations in California are hellbent on censorship, the entire state is a sinking sink. Yet we allow them to pry into our personal data and share that data to advertisers and others. Sony since they moved to California has enacted censorship rules that have made Japanese developers to look to other companies to distribute their games. 
 

Ironic, since Sony as a whole is a Japanese company. California is all too eager to throw censorship bullcrap and now treats the gamers like Twitter treats it’s audience. You can’t breath a few meters ahead of you without someone being all offended. 
 

I wish Sony was more like Steam, but we all know that is a pipe dream.

A lot of what you're saying is factually wrong. They don't record party chats, they allow other players to record party chats and allow them to be submitted if they're forms of harassment. Second They've been in California since the start. Santa Monica Studios has existed in California since 1999. Sony gave the American branch control ever since the PS3 era where they rescued the system, the American branch also designed the hardware for the PS3 revisions, PS4, and PS5. The headquarters for the Main Company of Sony exist in Tokyo with the American branch being in New York City, they're higher up on the corporate chain than Jim Ryan and can dictate things to him. 

 

Just because something is from California doesn't mean that it's some political tool, all the major game platforms have headquarters in California and have major offices in New York. As of now most tech companies are moving to Texas around the Austin area, but that doesn't mean they suddenly turn Republican.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Sendai-Horatio

[ladynadiad]

1 hour ago, Sikutai said:

That's the worst thing you can do on PSN, how do you come up with ideas like that? If Sony finds out something like that, there is always a perma ban immediately, which is understandable for me.

 

Hence the use of the word "if".  It wasn't a suggestion or idea it was me saying that if Sony wanted people to do what OP admitted to doing, they'd provide the means for players to do so.  Because they do not, they clearly don't want to support players buying and selling in game items like OP was doing.  Thus the ban.

 

1 hour ago, Sendai-Horatio said:

As of now most tech companies are moving to Texas around the Austin area, but that doesn't mean they suddenly turn Republican.

 

You do realize that Austin itself is not exactly Republican right?