[Debunked] XBOX Game Starfield among others coming to PS5 Q3

[DrBloodmoney]

This was always likely to happen if Starfield didn't do what Microsoft needed it to do.

 

Starfield was the one ace-in-the-hole, the biggest arrow in the quiver in terms of attracting new people to gamepass - and from all accounts, aside from a solid immediate uptick in gamepass subs in it's launch week, it didn't really carry on moving the needle.

 

Gamepass just doesn't seem to be expanding at the rate they would need it to to represent any kind of realistic financial model.

 

I mean, I recently changed my ISP package...

...and it came with a free year of gamepass's highest tier. 

 

There's something weird about that, isn't there?

That they are literally giving away gamepass to anyone - even people not interested in gaming in the slightest, and most of whom don't even know how to make use of it, let alone have the hardware to do so...

..and it's still capping out in terms of subscribers.

 

 

In the end, if you spend 70 billion dollars, and the one game that anyone was talking about being a "big get" as part of it came out to lacklustre reviews, and a whole lot of "meh" from the consumers, and doesn't bring much in the way of new people to your ecosystem...

...you're going to be re-evaluating things, and trying to make some of that money back wherever you can.

 

Obviously, Starfield itself isn't going to be a better game on PS5 than it was on Xbox, so it's hardly much of a "win" for Playstation players on its own...

...but if it is a sign that things like The Outer Worlds 2, Hellblade II, whatever game Arkane will be clawing their way back to the light with, and maybe things like Pentiment will come to PS5, then it's still great news.

 

Edited February 5 by DrBloodmoney

[AlonMercer]

9 hours ago, Thornhorn7 said:

Great news! Always hated exclusives. Hopefully this paves the way for Xbox users to be able to enjoy some PS games.

Yeah absolutely agree with that. I was thrilled when Death Stranding came to Xbox, for example. Hopefully Xbox players are one day able to play the Spider-Man games, too. 

[VER7UZ-]

Please give Lost odessey and Blue Dragon to sony/PlayStation 

 

thank you. 

[ziggypossum]

• Tim has heard that Call of Duty may not be coming to game pass
• Hardware sales have not met the projected sales and the CFO got spooked
• In the last three months of last year, they had consoles for $350 and no one cared
• Xbox One was more wanted than Series consoles
• They said the hardware is dead, and they are seeing declines in hardware year over year
• Game pass is unsustainable; the market they have is not enough to offset the cost
• Tim heard from someone at Microsoft that you may not like Xbox when they get Activision. They want ROI.
• He heard that Xbox has an insane showcase with tons of games, but everyone is going to be saying asterisks
• The leaks happened because a Microsoft employee who didn't want this to happen leaked it, so there would be a public outcry
• Microsoft now has no problem buying more companies in the future if all games go to all platforms
• Tim thinks they will go all-digital, with ads on game pass (pre-roll or at the end of a chapter e.g. Like a Dragon) and AI community managers

https://twitter.com/IdleSloth84_/status/1754361009215541532

[DavySuicide]

Forza, Gears of War, Halo, Ori, there are many games i would love to see ported, Starfield isn`t one LMAO. Not even for 5 bucks ^^

[Speling_Expirt]

A much needed tactic from Microsoft I feel. Hey, I'll buy Starfield day one for sure.

 

Welcome! 

[BloodyRutz]

9 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

- And most importantly, if Xbox does go full third-party and in time they abandon hardware completely, it then also means that the most toxic fan base that has ever existed in gaming will be no more and there can be peace at last amongst all gamers lol

 

PlayStation fanboys are equally annoying. The reason for peace wouldn't be Xbox fanboys going away; it would be that neither party has the other to argue with anymore. It's so pathetic to see grown-up men who should be out providing for their families argue on Facebook about what console is better instead.

 

Edited February 5 by BloodyRutz

[Gommes_]

MS thought the console war can be won with money only and pushing their Game Pass was a top priority only to finally fail. They should've stayed at the "classic competition" of being the best in games and care about the players.

[Peaches]

Interesting. I just hope this doesn't mean Microsoft is going the SEGA path. A console monopoly for Sony might be the worst thing that can happen. It's not like they aren't above greed (pay to play online, raise the price of PS+, etc.) Less competition is bad for all gamers. 

 

Now if this just means getting rid of exclusives, I'd be down for that. It's kind of slowly happening with Sony and Microsoft releasing their "exclusives" on PC anyway. 

[BlackTorito]

This was already to be expected at some point, what a waste of discussions I’ve had with my friend.

 

I understand people was massively excited by the big moves from Microsoft, but anyone that slightly understands business income knows it was a pretty far shot going the Gamepass route, financially put simply it doesn’t hold unless you have the whole market. And there was no way in their dreams they can take the cake from Nintendo and Sony, not even by making Elder Scrolls VI exclusive, which they won’t and if they do it’ll be temporally, is just so much money left behind that is simply a stupid financial move.

 

Xbox will never reach the amount of brand loyalty Nintendo (which has the most due to targeting childs which are the most impactful moments of life) and Sony, it takes decades of good practices and know how for that.

 

Simply put, they started saying: “we are not winning console wars, we want Gamepass on each platform”. And then you already knew, they were going to take the financial logic route. As wether they are able to put Gamepass on each platform, thats their best shot and we’ll see how they do it, if they ever do.

[Ampki]

Microsoft hemorrhaging money with there gamepass/Stuido buys is hilarious to watch..

[the_sultan999]

10 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

Games that should have been coming to PlayStation to begin with will now continue to do so

THANK YOU!!!! this is exactly what i've been trying to explain to people these games are BETHESDA games that we should've actually got regardless of the acquisition. And now we're finally going to get bethesda games. i doubt people are excited about sea of thieves or halo. give us what we should have gotten to begin with!  

[JayDeLosDioses]

Like others have said already I also think that part of the problem is the day one in game pass system they're using.

I don't think it's the way to motivate the studios that are willing to put their games into game pass to actually make good games, they earn less, they probably get even more time pressure on top of what investors already do. The one game pass game I've played that happend to be on PS5 too is Pay Day 3 and it sucked big time. It felt like a trial version for the full game I can get in 3 years or so after they've made all the money spend back with DLC sales.

It feels like an unhealty system from the outside, but that's just my two cents.

 

Sony gets me to buy a lot of DLC just because I get the game free with my subscribtion (I have PS Premium) and the extra few bucks to satisfy the completionist in me still makes them my sub money + let's say 15 bucks for a DLC.

That doesn't mean though that I'm not willing to pay full price for amazing games like God of War or Spider-Man, and from looking at the numbers of units sold I'm not the only person that feels like that.

 

There's a few XBOX exclusives I'm interested in and I've been thinking about getting another console a few times now, but I always find something that fits whatever genre I want to play atm on PlayStation. In a perfect world for me as a gamer, exclusives shouldn't exist, gaming brings people together and the games and platform we play on should follow that example. I've met and become friends with people all over the world, people I would have never met otherwise just by playing games with them, and I'm not mad if I can include XBOX players, PC players or whoever wants to join the party  

I'm fine with timed exclusives, that's just part of the game if you have more than one company selling consoles, but I like how Sony is porting more and more games to PC... you can argue about the quality of the ports sometimes, but I think it's the right direction. 

[Rozalia1]

Even if it comes to PS+ I don't see myself playing it. No matter how much they might update it, the game at its core is just bad.

 

44 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

Gamepass just doesn't seem to be expanding at the rate they would need it to to represent any kind of realistic financial model.

 

I mean, I recently changed my ISP package...

...and it came with a free year of gamepass's highest tier. 

 

There's something weird about that, isn't there?

That they are literally giving away gamepass to anyone - even people not interested in gaming in the slightest, and most of whom don't even know how to make use of it, let alone have the hardware to do so...

..and it's still capping out in terms of subscribers.

 

Market rejection. Massive amounts of Day 1 games on Game Pass, slashing console prices heavily, actually finally putting out games. None of it has mattered as people simply don't want Xbox. What will be really nasty will be if it goes beyond Xbox and most people don't buy their games put on other consoles due to them coming from Microsoft. That'll bring the whole rotten structure down.

 

15 minutes ago, BloodyRutz said:

PlayStation fanboys are equally annoying. The reason for peace wouldn't be Xbox fanboys going away; it would be that neither party has the other to argue with anymore.

 

You haven't been paying attention if you believe that. Xbox outputs more toxicity while being far less in number. Only one platform holder straight up promotes such toxicity, which is Microsoft, which they do with their astroturfing and with Xbox management straight up meeting up with the most toxic of influencers to make them more credible to Xbox gamers.

 

18 minutes ago, Gommes_ said:

MS thought the console war can be won with money only and pushing their Game Pass was a top priority only to finally fail. They should've stayed at the "classic competition" of being the best in games and care about the players.

 

It is heart warming to see a soulless company like Microsoft throwing their money around defeated this heavily.

 

20 minutes ago, Peaches said:

Interesting. I just hope this doesn't mean Microsoft is going the SEGA path. A console monopoly for Sony might be the worst thing that can happen. It's not like they aren't above greed (pay to play online, raise the price of PS+, etc.) Less competition is bad for all gamers. 

 

Now if this just means getting rid of exclusives, I'd be down for that. It's kind of slowly happening with Sony and Microsoft releasing their "exclusives" on PC anyway. 

 

What negative effect did Sega dropping out cause?

 

You're putting those as signs of PlayStation being greedy when Microsoft is the source of pay to play online and Xbox's service is more expensive? Look, I get that you've heard it said that such a thing is an absolute rule, but no. Microsoft is poison, that being a bad actor, and getting rid of such companies is actually a good thing. Nintendo's command of gaming lead to more quality control and trust in the market, with their only negative being the strict control they had on what themes you could have in games (remember the times back then being what they were). Sony meanwhile dominated with the PS1 and PS2 and gaming was made cheaper. PS3 was expensive yes, but that wasn't because they held a monopoly. The PS3 was pushing both the brand new Blu-ray and Cell technologies and even at the price it was at, Sony was still eating massive losses.

 

More competition actually had the effect of causing less innovation from Sony in their hardware as they became more cautious. Though even being cautious their consoles are so much better engineered than Microsoft's efforts which are so much more expensive to produce. If Microsoft drops out then we might well see a full ARM console, something which they might not have done if Microsoft was still a concern.

[squaresoft4ever7]

I was on Xbox from 2006-2016 but honestly I got pretty bored once the One launched, it just didn't have that many appealing games, Halo games after reach were camp lejeune water, the MCC was a nightmare to play online even co op was busted, same with Gears of war games after 3. 

[JAK-KRIEG]

Nah they can keep starfield seems like a lukewarm fart, I want bigger and better like game series that were already on playstation to begin with but got snatched away.

[Creasy007]

I gave it a couple hours on the Series X via GamePass before I quit and never returned. It just wasn't at all intriguing and got dull very, very fast.

 

In good news, this info at least means we may still get ES6 on the PS5 (or PS6), fingers crossed. 

[Loutisu]

On 2/4/2024 at 6:35 PM, Cerber108 said:

Huh, I'll gladly play Gears and Halos, Sony has no damn FPSs. So there is hope for TES6, F5 and Dishonored 3 releases for PS.

I truly believe Halo would thrive on PS. (I mean it’s still popular on Xbox/PC.) I could easily see Halo Infinite MP coming to PS5 considering it’s a free live service game and it really seems Sony has no interest in reviving Resistance or Killzone. 

[ZenaxPure]

On 2/5/2024 at 2:29 AM, DrBloodmoney said:

Gamepass just doesn't seem to be expanding at the rate they would need it to to represent any kind of realistic financial model.

 

On 2/5/2024 at 2:45 AM, ziggypossum said:

Game pass is unsustainable; the market they have is not enough to offset the cost

I am shocked, shocked!!!!! It's not like some of us have been saying this for years now or anything, nope.

 

GP has never at any point made sense to me for 1 simple reason. Unlike other subscription services people compare it to (Netflix, music streaming, whatever) gaming isn't consumed in the same way. You need casual/mainstream numbers for something like GP to work, but, the more casual you go with video games the less number of games someone is actually playing. Like my next door neighbor has a PS5, but the dude only plays like 2 games a year (whatever new CoD is out plus maybe some first party AAA game like Spider Man or God of War.) People like him are the norm and they just aren't going to sub to one of these services.

 

That is not to say no one finds it appealing, it's just, the amount of people who do want to play a lot of different games but have those games be basically completely random picks they have no control over, is a pretty small audience imo.

 

On 2/5/2024 at 2:45 AM, ziggypossum said:

Tim thinks they will go all-digital, with ads on game pass (pre-roll or at the end of a chapter e.g. Like a Dragon) and AI community managers

As terrible as this sounds I actually think they might have more success if GP was free but ad supported honestly. But if the plan is to just throw ads into a paid sub service they're going to bleed subs. A lot of people will not be cool with that.

[Tecnal1]

I never cared about starfield. 

[AlonMercer]

On 2/5/2024 at 9:05 AM, Peaches said:

Interesting. I just hope this doesn't mean Microsoft is going the SEGA path. A console monopoly for Sony might be the worst thing that can happen. It's not like they aren't above greed (pay to play online, raise the price of PS+, etc.) Less competition is bad for all gamers. 

 

Now if this just means getting rid of exclusives, I'd be down for that. It's kind of slowly happening with Sony and Microsoft releasing their "exclusives" on PC anyway. 

Totally agree. Gamers deserve a choice. Didn't like PS3, but it was okay as I went to Xbox 360. The console warriors would have Xbox wiped out. That'd be a terrible outcome, in my view. Like, I wouldn't want to be in a position where the, for example, PS7 was dogshit and ran games worse than an Xbox and there was just no console alternative. It'd be like if Xbox 360 didn't exist and so, I'm stuck on PS3 playing the worst version of Skyrim (it ran worse than Xbox 360). 

 

Who the fuck in their right mind believes LESS consoles is a good thing? The fucking console warriors who wanna argue over which piece of plastic is better.

Edited February 7 by AlonMercer

[Zephrese]

49 minutes ago, AlonMercer said:

Who the fuck in their right mind believes LESS consoles is a good thing?

 

People who pay attention and can tell that Microsoft's consoles aren't really providing significant competition to Sony in the first place, and haven't done so since the 360? Or that Sony themselves hardly pay Xbox any attention on the console front specifically? Even Microsoft is aware of this, which is why they're more focused on Game Pass. lol

 

Every single person parroting this "competition is good" nonsense in these threads (it is, but it's not really applicable here lmao), or generalizing every person that wants Xbox gone as being "console warriors", is either naïve or being disingenuous. Put two and two together, look at what's happened up until this point and what Microsoft has done or been caught/admitting to doing. It's not that hard.

Edited February 7 by Zephrese

[AlonMercer]

13 minutes ago, Zephrese said:

 

People who pay attention and can tell that Microsoft's consoles aren't really providing significant competition to Sony's, and haven't done so since the 360?  Even Microsoft is aware of this, which is why they're more focused on Game Pass. lol

Nah man, Xbox does backwards compatibility way better than PlayStation. Wouldn't wanna see Xbox die for that alone. Yes, Xbox's exclusives have been dogshit. But man, I can't play a bunch of games from my teens that I played on Xbox. Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas... You can't play these games on PlayStation (and that might change but we're talking currently). 

 

Where's Deus Ex: Human Revolution? Where are the fucking 7th Gen games that were never ported??? Xbox doesn't have that issue.

 

By the way, are you wanna 'those' people? One of those toxic PlayStation fanboys someone else brought up? I used to be like that. But it's a shortsighted way of looking at things.

Edited February 7 by AlonMercer

[Zephrese]

7 minutes ago, AlonMercer said:

Nah man, Xbox does backwards compatibility way better than PlayStation. Wouldn't wanna see Xbox die for that alone. Yes, Xbox's exclusives have been dogshit. But man, I can't play a bunch of games from my teens that I played on Xbox. Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas... You can't play these games on PlayStation (and that might change but we're talking currently). 

 

Where's Deus Ex: Human Revolution? Where are the fucking 7th Gen games that were never ported??? Xbox doesn't have that issue.

 

By the way, are you wanna 'those' people? One of those toxic PlayStation fanboys someone else brought up? I used to be like that. But it's a shortsighted way of looking at things.

 

Their BC is better, but that's not really relevant to what I was saying either as that hasn't really impacted how well they're "competing".

 

Nope, I just think Microsoft is a legitimately evil company and doing far more harm at this point than good to be worth keeping around. But I also don't think their place in the console market is important to Sony or even to themselves at this point (again, Game Pass), so them leaving the console space won't have nearly as much of an effect as people like to pretend it will. Nothing shortsighted about it, just being realistic. Nintendo and Sony are on my shit list for different reasons, but not to the same extent because of Microsoft's actions as of late.

Edited February 7 by Zephrese

[MiahMamoon]

Massive W cant wait to play it