Caesar Clown Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Wow, thanks, I added it to my library but never downloaded it. Definitely won't now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrickenBiged Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) If the porting studio are not fulfilling their side of a contract, then the right to have returned the entirety of the work to the contract originator arises. There are cases in which a porting studio will have unique material owing to the nature of rewriting to fit onto an alternate platform, but when they breach that contract they are no longer protected by it. You read their contract or something? They might've had shit lawyers who didn't put all these rights and contingencies in the contract for all we know. On topic: From reading the article, it sounds like Blitworks did a cash grab move. Do a quick and lazy port, get it up on PS+ for the quick $'s, then leave it to rot. If the actual game devs can't compel the porters to do anything about it, then it sounds like they had a really, really shit contract in place. Edit: It's a shame also that Sony doesn't seem to care when this sort of thing happens either. What's their certification process for if it's not to protect the customer from dodgy games going onto the storefront? Edit: typos. Edited February 17, 2016 by StrickenBiged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPisTolman Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) You read their contract or something? They might've had shit lawyers who didn't put all these rights and contingencies in the contract for all we know. On topic: From reading the article, it sounds like Blitworks did a cash grab move. Do a quick and lazy port, get it up on PS+ for the quick $'s, then leave it to rot. If the actual game devs can't compel the porters to do anything about it, then it sounds like they had a really, really shit contract in place. Edit: It's a shame also that Sony doesn't seem to care when this sort of thing happens either. What's their certification process for if it's not to protect the customer from dodgy games going onto the storefront? Edit: typos. Which, if you didn't cut the latter part of my post, I address. That said, your assertion that Blit Works are to blame here affirms your fondness for snap judgments and ill informed opinions. Edited February 17, 2016 by LastPisTolman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AARCT1C Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Not to be one of 'those gamers' but I thought PS Plus games had to meet a certain quality criteria? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilded Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I cannot seem to find the date of the original post/source of what is quoted on that website, their link goes to the Playstation forums dating way back. Grimm Bros latest update (that I know of) regarding the PSN version is of 8 February on Facebook, where they say that they are still in the works together with the porting company. Further information regarding the situation of the game can also be read from a post on Facebook, dating 20 January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrickenBiged Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Which, if you didn't cut the latter part of my post, I address. That said, your assertion that Blit Works are to blame here affirms your fondness for snap judgments and ill informed opinions. Point taken. Didn't mean to quote mine you, but the latter part of your post was based on a misunderstanding of defamation, at least as it is known to the law in England and Wales. Being contracted to work on a thing, and doing so badly, would not be a defamation issue in England & Wales. We're all making snap judgments here. We've got very little information to go on and are all ill informed. This is why I said "sounds like" throughout my post - as in "first impressions". Edit: Mistakenly said "... in the UK" when I meant "... in England & Wales". 2nd Edit: I can't speak to the law in other jurisdictions, but as you're profile is a UK based one I assume we're both from hereabouts. Edited February 17, 2016 by StrickenBiged 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubanga Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 What a shit dev team. Can't fix the game but they will continue to sell it anyways. I don't even know what this game is but this shit is revolting in every possible way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullstomp Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 After Txk, also free on PS plus and also getting glitched out and not fixed, I wait a few months for others to report issues before I dive in. Glad I didn't start this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrickenBiged Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Interesting: Blitworks have not included the game on the list of games they have ported on their website. It may not be a simple oversight either, because a screengrab from DFS is clearly visible in the background behind their logo in the header image at the top of the page. If someone took the time to add a screen grab there, you'd expect them to add it to the list too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazeh54 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Well, that's a confirmed delete from my backlog. Was gonna give this a try as it's outta my usual type of game. So glad I didn't start it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonidol38 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I cannot seem to find the date of the original post/source of what is quoted on that website, their link goes to the Playstation forums dating way back. Grimm Bros latest update (that I know of) regarding the PSN version is of 8 February on Facebook, where they say that they are still in the works together with the porting company. Further information regarding the situation of the game can also be read from a post on Facebook, dating 20 January. Here you go: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grimmbros/dragon-fin-soup/posts/1486566 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPisTolman Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Point taken. Didn't mean to quote mine you, but the latter part of your post was based on a misunderstanding of defamation, at least as it is known to the law in England and Wales. Being contracted to work on a thing, and doing so badly, would not be a defamation issue in England & Wales. We're all making snap judgments here. We've got very little information to go on and are all ill informed. This is why I said "sounds like" throughout my post - as in "first impressions". Edit: Mistakenly said "... in the UK" when I meant "... in England & Wales". 2nd Edit: I can't speak to the law in other jurisdictions, but as you're profile is a UK based one I assume we're both from hereabouts. Defamation is any case to which offers a direct damaging effect to a company's reputation through action or inaction that targets them. For example, refusing to complete work to which you have been contracted, refuse to comment, and leave it to your employer to handle. Practical example; I'm sure the BBC would have a very strong defamation case on their hands if an employee of theirs were to pop into their broadcast room and interlace their programmes with random images, cut the transmission and pop in an advert for Gillette. Analogues I feel it doesn't take much imagination to transpose to the topic at hand. I would say cursory glance as opposed to first impressions personally. First impressions would imply having all the facts and casting an initial lot, cursory glance is a phrase I feel much more apt to your situation. As is its application to your knowledge of English legislature. Don't presume to cast an opinion on mine. Edited February 17, 2016 by LastPisTolman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadeSplit Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 This is the first, and only Kickstarter game I've been interested in to actually be released. Looks like I'll have to keep waiting to actually get to play one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwilightSpira Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) It's really a shame knowing this will happen, at first back when the game was released I knew deep down that would be hard for then to get the PS versions working well, especially the one I played most, the vita. It's also unfortunate for the actual developers, this is their first game and I know from their own website that they were really happy and excited with this game. I just wonder if they will be able to sustain this damage, at least take all the PS versions from the store to keep further backslash from raging gamers and hurt even more their image. Shame really Edited February 17, 2016 by Mah2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_87 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) So much incompetence lol... Not to be one of 'those gamers' but I thought PS Plus games had to meet a certain quality criteria? That Metacritic crap ended several centuries ago, if that's what you mean. Edited February 17, 2016 by Lance_87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangyRV Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I deleted the game at the moment it started to crash for using a language other than english in my PS4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AARCT1C Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 So much incompetence lol... That Metacritic crap ended several centuries ago, if that's what you mean. Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't know they stopped doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrickenBiged Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Defamation is any case to which offers a direct damaging effect to a company's reputation through action or inaction that targets them. This is incorrect. For it to be defamation in E&W, the defendant must have published a "statement", i.e. words or an image or video clip which conveys meaning, which causes damage to the claimant's reputation. For example, refusing to complete work to which you have been contracted, refuse to comment, and leave it to your employer to handle. That would be a breach of contract, (if the contract required them to maintain and patch the game in this case, or provide a comment). Grimm Bros are not Blit Works "employer" - another company cannot be an employee. Practical example; I'm sure the BBC would have a very strong defamation case on their hands if an employee of theirs were to pop into their broadcast room and interlace their programmes with random images, cut the transmission and pop in an advert for Gillette. Analogues I feel it doesn't take much imagination to transpose to the topic at hand. That would be an employment issue between the BBC and the employee. Unless the interlaced images or Gilette advert said anything about the BBC directly, for example "The BBC support child slavery" or something like that, there would be no defamation issues. As is its application to your knowledge of English legislature. Don't presume to cast an opinion on mine. The legislature is the arm of the state which produces legislation - in the case of the UK, that's Parliament - Google could have told you that. The word you were looking for was "legislation". I didn't make any presumptions about your knowledge of the law. You demonstrated it with your remarks. If you'd like to refer me to a case or law which refutes my position, please feel free. I sue people and companies for a living in this jurisdiction and have worked on defamation cases, so I know a little bit about what I'm talking about here. Not saying I'm an "expert" on this area specifically - I'm a general commercial litigator rather than a specialist in one particular area or another - but I know enough to know that this is not defamation in England & Wales. Again, happy to be corrected if you can point me to a case or law which undermines my position. If not, I'm done with this petty spat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPisTolman Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) Removed - I don't want to fuel it - I'll take this to PM if desired, in the interest of not derailing this thread. Edited February 18, 2016 by LastPisTolman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CK-612 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) so it's funded by a kickstarter project, what else can you expected? it's not publish from SCE like Helldiver anyway.. Edited February 18, 2016 by cK-NEw_0NStaT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosmasta00 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Well guess the wait for a patch to come has continued at least i did wait on starting this game. Will redownload it once the bugs and so are fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prem-aka-Prince Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 As others have said on the first page, in my opinion the title of the article is deliberately misleading, so the title of this thread isn't any better... well I'm going to avoid placing blame on one or the other since that seems to be a hot topic, but I'm quite sure they said months ago that they themselves can't fix the PS versions. Judging by how dead every other topic in this subforum went, I don't think there's really anything left to be said until the people responsible for the PS patch(es) (which is clearly not Grimm Bros, for better or for worse) say what they're going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kishnabe Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Hoping it does get fixed. been waiting for a stable version before aiming for the plat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastflowdaman Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't know they stopped doing that. They never did that to begin with. It was a common misconception and misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray-Fox-44 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Al least to me this is a glimpse of hope... " Support Indie Game Dev. Tell all your friends to buy some Dragon Fin Soup. All proceeds will go to helping us pay for the PSN patches and ports to all the other platforms " The article published on Feb. 8th is about the new 1.07 steam patch and you'll find it here: http://dragonfinsoup.com/wp/wordpress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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