Oh Dear

[Deadly_Ha_Ha]

7 hours ago, BlindMango said:

 

It's funny, every now and then I venture upon an account with none of these games and each of their platinums took a normal to impressive amount of time to get and my reaction is "wow, this profile is great!" when just 5 years ago it would have been a completely standard profile  We really have come a long way

This is so true it can pretty much sum up most threads of this nature. Years ago, seeing a profile with 200 plats would have been pretty sick. Nowadays I see a profile with that many plats and my expectation is that it's filled with garbage. 

[TheSleepyBeauty]

Just a friendly reminder. While these people play these terrible game they're missing out on some really awesome ones you and me are playing. I laugh at the profiles I look at and they literally only have easy games with platinums. Not even one indie or AAA game. It's sad really. They're not here for the videogames, they're here because they have an obsession of collecting trophies. Let me tell you something, when you Platinum a game that took you several weeks through blood sweat and tears to obtain, it's a complete different feeling than platinum a game that took you less than 10 minutes. 

[Red-Izanagi]

Who cares about Leaderboards anyway, besides of those People who want to chase them. Filling the market with easy Games, gives them a reason to compete. If you don't want playing those Games, then don't do it. In fact you can Ignoring those type of Games and their playerbase entirely if you want.

 

I have personal reason why i don't want to compete in the Leaderboard aymore, beside that i'm ranked im my Country at the top 50 and soon i will fall down, since i don't need those Accomplishment of digital Numbers just to ''Compete''

 

At the End of the day ask yourself one thing: It is worth it competing in an Online Enviroment full of Numbers with an Leaderboard, who just aiming for digital Pictures and a specific type of Gamers, in that case Trophyhunters, of something, that doesn't add any value for your Life?

 

 

Gaming should be considered to be fun, not chasing Numbers.

 

Enjoy your Day People, Peace Out.

[AJ_Radio]

32 minutes ago, OFFICER_OILDAB said:

Do you know what fixes this? Not playing the games that makes anybody feel this way! So long as people are willing to buy them, companies are willing to sell them. If you think that interferes with the leaderboards and *your* sense of competition, because people buy and play games that you have no interest in, then you were never equipped to compete to begin with.

 

Whenever theres a competition or a placement system, people do whatever it takes to be number one. Plain and simple. If people can buy platinums, thats how they'll become number one. Whoever this upsets personally, should STOP COMPETING!!!! Competing in these leaderboards if like competing on CoD leaderboads ... Did you ever think you'd be on top? Atleast PSNP weeds out the cheaters. Thanks team

 

Play games for fun, trust me. Not that it ever bothered me too much, but Im way less concerned now that I play and plat the games I want to, and have no care as where the leaderboards thinks Im at.

 

This is exactly the same piece of advice a lot of people give to those who gamble excessively. It's not as simple as telling somebody who is dying from lung cancer to quit smoking cigarettes, or quit taking meth, or stop gambling their life savings away. It's an addiction, and for many people it is hard to just quit. That's why we have rehab programs, they're supposed to help people who were/are addicted to drugs. Gambling, it's not just people spending money at the casino. Gambling on the internet has risen exponentially over the past decade or so. Microtransactions/lootboxes are a new form of gambling. You spin a wheel and you keep spending money until you get something that you want. It's not as simple as just quitting.

 

You're not going to be number 1. Ikemenzi and Hakoom are too far ahead. Most people realistically get trophies in games that they feel they're going to have fun with. Part of my stigma is I like to challenge myself every now and then, which is why I'm playing Max Payne 3 before the servers shut.

 

The Call of Duty leaderboards measures ones talent and skill, the bad variable is a lot of those players cheat by using wall hacks and auto aim bots. PSNP weeds out the cheaters sure, but many of those top players have team accounts. Paying somebody else to get a trophy or platinum for you is something that doesn't go accounted for either.

 

It's fruitless to be a competitor when the playing field isn't level. Hakoom probably gets a lot of his games for free on his account just because he is the most famous trophy hunter out there. How is that fair and honest?

[SKiL_Clash]

Why do people want these on your list. Least Ratas games were somewhat finished. Granted you never even finished the whole game to even get the plat. But it’s a game at least. These are just complete trash. it’s just a mark of shame if you even think of buying this for $1

[dmland12]

The next logical step is "games" that just pop all trophies and the plat when you start them up.  Or maybe they could just skip that whole part completely and pop the trophies when you pay at the store.  No need to download anything.

 

I have faith we'll get there.  And if we do, there will be no shortage of people at the trough.

[PS_Bowser]

3 minutes ago, dmland12 said:

The next logical step is "games" that just pop all trophies and the plat when you start them up.  Or maybe they could just skip that whole part completely and pop the trophies when you pay at the store.  No need to download anything.

 

I have faith we'll get there.  And if we do, there will be no shortage of people at the trough.

you would have to at least load the game for the trophy list to install on the console...

[dmland12]

Just now, PS_Bowser said:

you would have to at least load the game for the trophy list to install on the console...

Depends on how Sony feels about it though doesn't it?  So far this seems kind of low on their radar, but there's obviously a market for just buying trophies.

[PS_Bowser]

7 minutes ago, dmland12 said:

Depends on how Sony feels about it though doesn't it?  So far this seems kind of low on their radar, but there's obviously a market for just buying trophies.

its not how trophies work there's a .TRP file inside the game files that contains the trophy data for the game that is installed once you launch the game... 

34 minutes ago, AJ_Radio said:

 

This is exactly the same piece of advice a lot of people give to those who gamble excessively. It's not as simple as telling somebody who is dying from lung cancer to quit smoking cigarettes, or quit taking meth, or stop gambling their life savings away. It's an addiction, and for many people it is hard to just quit. That's why we have rehab programs, they're supposed to help people who were/are addicted to drugs. Gambling, it's not just people spending money at the casino. Gambling on the internet has risen exponentially over the past decade or so. Microtransactions/lootboxes are a new form of gambling. You spin a wheel and you keep spending money until you get something that you want. It's not as simple as just quitting.

 

You're not going to be number 1. Ikemenzi and Hakoom are too far ahead. Most people realistically get trophies in games that they feel they're going to have fun with. Part of my stigma is I like to challenge myself every now and then, which is why I'm playing Max Payne 3 before the servers shut.

 

The Call of Duty leaderboards measures ones talent and skill, the bad variable is a lot of those players cheat by using wall hacks and auto aim bots. PSNP weeds out the cheaters sure, but many of those top players have team accounts. Paying somebody else to get a trophy or platinum for you is something that doesn't go accounted for either.

 

It's fruitless to be a competitor when the playing field isn't level. Hakoom probably gets a lot of his games for free on his account just because he is the most famous trophy hunter out there. How is that fair and honest?

same thing can be said for someone who is rich that can buy a lot of games vs. someone who is poor who can't...the playing field will never be fair regardless....

Edited August 16, 2021 by PS_Bowser

[You]

There was never any value in trophy hunting but there is even less so now. I know a lot of people just think (including myself) "Hey, it's their money and time, as long as they're happy"

Low quality life goals should not be encouraged and it just cheapens the whole thing.

 

Imagine if at the Tokyo Olympics in the 100m sprint they had an extra event afterwards called call the 5m sprint. Except instead of a race of 8 contestants it was open to the public, gold medal for everybody who entered, and it's not on every 4 years, it's on every 4 weeks.

Why would you bother training to be the best 8 in the world to have a chance at the one gold, silver or bronze available every 4 years, when you could get several golds medals of equal value with almost no effort or time investment in the 5m sprint.

 

Sure everyone would know the 100m is way more value than the 5m one. But the people who got a ton of 5m gold medals would be ranked higher than the actual world best athletes because all gold medals have the same value.

 

This is certainly why rarity of trophies is more important and changes over time.

 

An olympic record set in 1988 might be achieved by hundreds of athletes by 2021. You just don't know, as rarity changes over time.

 

Trophies on PSN all having the same value is the problem, and just like smartphones and the currency in all those inapp games. This is what is making addicted users play cheap and shit games, as it's a shortcut to skipping the effort and skipping the grind. Even if that means skipping good games, it's all about the rare currency of trophy points, which takes time and in many cases effort and skill.

Pay to Win!

We're almost there.

 

Quite literally the same FTP model, psychological tricks gambling and loot boxes.

Edited August 16, 2021 by enaysoft

[dmland12]

6 minutes ago, PS_Bowser said:

its not how trophies work there's a .TRP file inside the game files that contains the trophy data for the game that is installed once you launch the game... 

 

I sure wonder who it is that decides how trophies work on their own consoles.  Probably not Sony I guess, lol.

 

But, I think you already get the point and are just trying to derail the thread.  So, go ahead and continue pretending and have the last word if you must.  

[PS_Bowser]

13 minutes ago, dmland12 said:

 

I sure wonder who it is that decides how trophies work on their own consoles.  Probably not Sony I guess, lol.

 

But, I think you already get the point and are just trying to derail the thread.  So, go ahead and continue pretending and have the last word if you must.  

Sony created the trophy system so Sony controls how trophies work...

15 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

There was never any value in trophy hunting but there is even less so now. I know a lot of people just think (including myself) "Hey, it's their money and time, as long as they're happy"

Low quality life goals should not be encouraged and it just cheapens the whole thing.

 

Imagine if at the Tokyo Olympics in the 100m sprint they had an extra event afterwards called call the 5m sprint. Except instead of a race of 8 contestants it was open to the public, gold medal for everybody who entered, and it's not on every 4 years, it's on every 4 weeks.

Why would you bother training to be the best 8 in the world to have a chance at the one gold, silver or bronze available every 4 years, when you could get several golds medals of equal value with almost no effort or time investment in the 5m sprint.

 

Sure everyone would know the 100m is way more value than the 5m one. But the people who got a ton of 5m gold medals would be ranked higher than the actual world best athletes because all gold medals have the same value.

 

This is certainly why rarity of trophies is more important and changes over time.

 

An olympic record set in 1988 might be achieved by hundreds of athletes by 2021. You just don't know, as rarity changes over time.

 

Trophies on PSN all having the same value is the problem, and just like smartphones and the currency in all those inapp games. This is what is making addicted users play cheap and shit games, as it's a shortcut to skipping the effort and skipping the grind. Even if that means skipping good games, it's all about the rare currency of trophy points, which takes time and in many cases effort and skill.

Pay to Win!

We're almost there.

 

Quite literally the same FTP model, psychological tricks gambling and loot boxes.

Its been pay to win since day 1 you need a lot of games to be at the top of the leaderboard....

[KunoGuy]

May all your Hannah Montana Plats be pardoned...

[You]

11 minutes ago, KunoGuy said:

May all your Hannah Montana Plats be pardoned...

 

Even a speed run of Hannah Montana and Terminator Salvation requires about 5 hours of your time, and Terminator Salvation, some of those stages near the end are really quite hard on the hardest setting.

 

Both of those games would be considered hard games by today's standards, that is how low we have sunk.

[DeepEyes7]

25 minutes ago, KunoGuy said:

May all your Hannah Montana Plats be pardoned...

 

Man, thanks to this my NCIS plat now is a respectable one

[DEI2EK]

Punching myself for not learning how to code a low quality game, giving it 11 golds and putting it on PSN to rake in the cash

 

Don’t hate the player hate the game

[You]

4 minutes ago, DEI2EK said:

Punching myself for not learning how to code a low quality game, giving it 11 golds and putting it on PSN to rake in the cash

 

Don’t hate the player hate the game

 

Quality isn't the issue (almost it is) It's the length of the game that is paramount.

 

Doesn't matter if it's the worst game ever or the best game ever, unless it takes 3 minutes to complete AND is very cheap, nobody would buy it.

 

The next Breakthrough gaming should as a test, sell one of them for 40 dollars or make the next Church RPG 10 hours long. I guarantee few people would buy it.

Edited August 16, 2021 by enaysoft

[B1rvine]

11 minutes ago, DEI2EK said:

Punching myself for not learning how to code a low quality game, giving it 11 golds and putting it on PSN to rake in the cash

 

Don’t hate the player hate the game

I have a semi decent game I’m making that’ll probably be out in the PSN store within the year. I’ll give it easy trophies, BUT I’m also going to put DLC with nearly impossible online trophies like five years after the games release. 
 

Just be careful what you buy, everyone, if you care about completion

 

[Dr_Mayus]

2 hours ago, Deadly_Ha_Ha said:

This is so true it can pretty much sum up most threads of this nature. Years ago, seeing a profile with 200 plats would have been pretty sick. Nowadays I see a profile with that many plats and my expectation is that it's filled with garbage. 

Exactly. I made huge events around my 100 and 200 plats (sort of around my 300 but got lazy during covid).

 

Nowadays I see accounts that are clocking that many plats in a couple of months

 

1 hour ago, dmland12 said:

The next logical step is "games" that just pop all trophies and the plat when you start them up.  Or maybe they could just skip that whole part completely and pop the trophies when you pay at the store.  No need to download anything.

 

I have faith we'll get there.  And if we do, there will be no shortage of people at the trough.

53 minutes ago, KunoGuy said:

May all your Hannah Montana Plats be pardoned...

What do you think my 100 Platinum celebration was built around  

[AJ_Radio]

58 minutes ago, DEI2EK said:

Punching myself for not learning how to code a low quality game, giving it 11 golds and putting it on PSN to rake in the cash

 

Don’t hate the player hate the game

 

The players are to blame. If that asshole who keeps making that crap wasn't getting a profit, even he wouldn't see the worth in making those games that automatically hand you the trophies.

 

A good 75 percent of players around my world ranking have a majority of their trophy lists filled with EZPZ games. Not that it matters, but my rankings have plummeted drastically over the past couple months. I was around rank 5300 - 5400 or so, now I'm sitting at around 5650 rank worldwide. That's because of everybody stacking the easy shit.

 

You can get the platinum in hundreds of these bastards in the same time frame it would take you to finish Max Payne 3. That is how bad it has gotten.

 

47 minutes ago, B1rvine said:

I have a semi decent game I’m making that’ll probably be out in the PSN store within the year. I’ll give it easy trophies, BUT I’m also going to put DLC with nearly impossible online trophies like five years after the games release. 
 

Just be careful what you buy, everyone, if you care about completion

 

 

I'm not that worried. Being hardcore all the time and trying to maintain a 100 percent account can't be good for one's health. You can't have everything, that's a lesson everybody should learn in their childhood.

 

Sadly, it seems a lot of people have forgotten that message, because they're playing an numbers game on the leaderboards.

[AJ_-_808]

6 hours ago, Rowbokop said:

Its just unfortunate that it’s all done on the same leaderboard/ranking system. I’ve only done about 50 or so real game platinums and plan on going back to them once I’m caught up on these which I nearly am, because I still love real games too and have not forgotten what true gaming is about.

 

This is a perfect example of the damage these types of "games" cause. You're at least the 3rd person in this thread that said something along the lines of "I'll get back to my real games after I play catch up with this garbage"

 

By all means, you do you, but at least you recognize the problem.  You're playing for the trophy count, not for the enjoyment of the game. 

 

This stuff, combined with region stacks, pollutes the leaderboard, spans the recent games lists, and takes money out of your pocket that could have been used to buy a real game you'd enjoy and support a legitimate developer.

[You]

15 hours ago, Elusion_428 said:

I recently picked up a few games from this developer out of sheer curiosity and boy even if each game lasts about 1-2mins, I found them very fascinating in an odd and disturbing way. It's like jumping down in a rabbit hole, trying to sniff whatever the creator was sniffing while making these games. Main reason why I enjoyed the Attacking Zegeta games and the mystery surrounding them too. 

 

To the people in this thread who keep on attacking players for buying them, I honestly fail to understand you. Blame Sony for allowing games like this to exist in the store, not the players for buying them. They cost around a dollar each which is nothing and some will buy them out of sheer curiosity like me or for boosting their stats. No big deal. Besides, these games are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of when did trophy hunting start to go wrong. Ever since the introduction of the PS4 era most plats are super easy to attain. This is just a continuation of a very old trend 

 

But that's how it starts. Why on earth would you find them "very fascinating in an odd and disturbing way".

So many people are in complete denial on why they buy shit games, which is simply just to subtly boost their stats, that they'll just about make any old excuse to justify their purchases.

 

If you want easy trophies, just admit it. We'll all be fine with it.

 

In this particular case, why would you want to go down a rabbit hole by paying money, you can do all of this stuff for free. Just watch how bad they are on youtube like the rest of us, and for free, only takes 5 minutes to platinum these games but takes even less time than that looking on youtube.

Other people (casual dippers) saying things like "Oh I just like to play these easy games every now in some downtime from playing the good games". The fact that there are people even casually playing them is still an issue. What, how or where is this pressure coming from that tells you that you need any at all?

 

Why would anyone buy such awful games, buying one of them is just as bad as buying 10. The first purchase is arguably the worst.

Buying cheap and shit games for trophies, that's all it is. Even if you don't admit it to, you're just lying to yourself.

Doesn't matter if it's cheap, doesn't matter if it's easy, or whatever excuse you can conjure up. This is how micro transactions work too, to get you to believe you're getting a good deal. XP boosters, purposely make the game super grindy so you buy XP boosters. You've just been conned! You are paying money for nothing, paying to fix a problem that was put in your way.

 

Giving money to a corporation for no real value, buying these games have no real merit, real indie devs need your money.

Are they shit games available on Nintendo Switch? Funny that, I wonder why. Well the reason is obvious.

 

Here's an idea off the top of my head, why not play Gems Of War? Seems like a pretty good match 3 game, absolutely tons of content.

That isn't just cheap, it's FREE! 0.79 dollars, or 0.00 dollars if you needed it relaying in actual numbers. 79 times cheaper than a shit game.

 

Also, why not go play the games free on PS+ that you are subscribed too, they are technically *free* and all of them are way more fun.

 

Of course you won't play good games, because you've become a trophy addict.

 

And the sad thing is, just like with the issues with quantitative easing. As more and more people become trophy addicts, the trophies you have now from these easy games, will become even less value over time, so you'll need to invest in more and more of them just to keep up.

 

These games truly do damage to the games industry, people playing shit games aren't playing good games and people paying for shit games aren't giving their money to good developers.

 

You're being conned, and yet you love it!

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by enaysoft

[Rowbokop]

3 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said:

 

This is a perfect example of the damage these types of "games" cause. You're at least the 3rd person in this thread that said something along the lines of "I'll get back to my real games after I play catch up with this garbage"

 

By all means, you do you, but at least you recognize the problem.  You're playing for the trophy count, not for the enjoyment of the game. 

 

This stuff, combined with region stacks, pollutes the leaderboard, spans the recent games lists, and takes money out of your pocket that could have been used to buy a real game you'd enjoy and support a legitimate developer.

That’s not entirely true. As I’ve said in numerous other forums, a lot of the easy platinums are actually quite fun to play. Overall I’m having fun doing this and enjoy a lot of the games and dislike others. Yes, obviously this one and others like it are garbage, but you do them because it’s part of your quest to gain platinums and they’re just super quick, easy and cheap so it’s a no-brainer. So no, for me it’s not a “problem” or “disease” that I have. I am fully aware of what I’m doing and obviously wouldn’t pay any more than what they’re charging because that’s all they’re worth. It would be different if these kind of games were like $20 or something and people still lapped them up. Then you have a real addiction. Remember, these games are literally $1 US. I add games to my watchlist and only buy them when they go on sale and have set myself a limit of $3-4 NZD max per game. If it’s above that, I don’t buy it, doesn’t matter how easy it is.

 

And that’s what I said about earlier. If they had an option to switch between sorting based on overall points and sorting based on trophy rarity, then those much better players would get the recognition they deserve and simple trophy [read: platinum] hunters like me wouldn’t have to pollute the latter. I support both causes.

[CB7Tuner91]

18 hours ago, arcanehornet_ said:

I know this is the millionth thread about these games, but this one irked me quite a bit. It’s one thing to release a new “arcade” game every Sunday, but it’s a new low to release a SINGLE LEVEL of a garbage looking platformer, complete with 11 gold trophies and a plat.

 

This proves how little quality control Sony has anymore. Any random person (or religious organization) in this case can make a quick, easy cash grab “game” that trophy hunters will buy up.

 

Some of you may criticize Ratalaika Games for the same thing, but those games have effort put into them, even if their platinums doesn’t ask much.

And they’re FULL GAMES, not a single level. ? It’s clear that they’re trying to milk a single game as much as possible, evident with the Bowling games story one, story two, pammy version, etc. Honestly it deeply saddens me that people buy into this stuff.

 

The religious ties are also quite scummy.

 

Anyways, rant over, I know I made no difference in the grand scheme of things but this just pissed me off.

 

Whats sad is the gamers who support this trash. Any account I see littered with these type of games is garbage. 

[zid2016]

4 hours ago, TheSleepyBeauty said:

 I laugh at the profiles I look at and they literally only have easy games with platinums.

Dude you have like 100 rata plats.