Microsoft deletes unobtainable achievement from game

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

 

This certainly sets a precedent.

 

I can see the demand for Sony to follow suit if Microsoft makes this standard practice.

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Abby_TheLastofUs

[sepheroithisgod]

First, they add rules to block EZPZ trophy lists, and now this. Another big W for Microsoft. Really hoping that Sony follows their lead in fixing the trophy system.

[HuntingFever]

Yes, they absolutely should nuke these knackered trophies out of existence but it should only apply to new games going forward, else you risk opening up a whole other can of worms if you start doing it retroactively to older games.

Edited June 2, 2023 by HuntingFever
Update.

[LastMinuteSavior]

 

[Valzentia]

Based Microsoft moment.

 

Sony should follow suit. Glitched unobtainables are extremely irritating.

[LastMinuteSavior]

Xbox out there having all these great ideas while Sony wastes time making breathtaking videogame experiences. SMH

 

[Floorkiller74]

The 3rd option makes no sense. How can people have earned an unobtainable trophy? I think you mean discontinued. Nothing that's simply discontinued should be removed.

 

I think it's a little different with Sony. With Xbox they can theoretically just have the game go below 1K gamerscore. With Sony, do you delete the platinum too? I imagine reconfiguring the Plat would be a whole lot more work than just deleting trophies. 

[MidnightDragon]

Interesting. I think MS has always treated achievements more seriously than PS did trophies. Doubt things will change here, though at least it should improve things some on the third party end.

Edited June 2, 2023 by MidnightDragon

[DanielTheManieI]

I’m all for this. Come on, Sony! 

[LastMinuteSavior]

1 minute ago, Floorkiller74 said:

With Xbox they can theoretically just have the game go below 1K gamerscore.

 

"Microsoft has deleted an unobtainable Xbox achievement from a game and reallocated its Gamerscore"

 

2 minutes ago, MidnightDragon said:

Any idea what game it was?

 

 

[Floorkiller74]

Just now, LastMinuteSavior said:

 

"Microsoft has deleted an unobtainable Xbox achievement from a game and reallocated its Gamerscore"

 

 

OK. A good precedent. A shocking number of games have unobtainable ach's, post 360. 

[Speling_Expirt]

Hats off again to Microsoft - this is really great to see - nailing the micro details recently.

 

I would love this, I really would. Sadly, I don't see Sony implementing this soon. I hope I'm wrong.

 

 

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

11 minutes ago, Floorkiller74 said:

The 3rd option makes no sense. How can people have earned an unobtainable trophy? I think you mean discontinued. Nothing that's simply discontinued should be removed.

 

I was referring to both server shutdowns and trophies that become unobtainable after a patch, that the devs never get around to fixing. 

[sepheroithisgod]

14 minutes ago, Floorkiller74 said:

The 3rd option makes no sense. How can people have earned an unobtainable trophy? I think you mean discontinued. Nothing that's simply discontinued should be removed.

I think it depends on how it is applied. My understanding is that this was just a fully bugged unobtainable trophy that no one could earn legitimately. In these situations, there would be no earners to worry about. I think option 3 is more theoretical if it was expanded.

 

 

If they branched out to trophies that became unobtainable post-launch, for example, the Big Leagues trophy in BO2 (play a game of league play, which was removed even though the MP is still online), my interpretation is that the trophy is reworked into something else that is obtainable, but the people who earned it originally would still have it earned. I really doubt they would do this, but that's my guess on what option 3 means.

Edited June 2, 2023 by sepheroithisgod

[The Alchemist]

I don't see why the developer in this case couldn't go back to try to fix the achievement, unless I'm missing something that the article doesn't explain. Couldn't this set a precedent for developers to be lazy and resort to asking MS/Sony to nuke broken achievements/trophies instead of taking the time to fix them? 

 

On the surface this might seem like a great move to many people but I'm a little conflicted and need more information about it before making my mind up. Some positives to it for sure, but also some potential negatives. 

[MrTacos98]

If a trophy is glitched and has never been obtainable and the developers can't/won't fix it, then it absolutely should be removed.

[Xillynoc]

2 minutes ago, The Alchemist said:

I don't see why the developer in this case couldn't go back to try to fix the achievement, unless I'm missing something that the article doesn't explain. Couldn't this set a precedent for developers to be lazy and resort to asking MS/Sony to nuke broken achievements/trophies instead of taking the time to fix them? 

 

On the surface this might seem like a great move to many people but I'm a little conflicted and need more information about it before making my mind up. Some positives to it for sure, but also some potential negatives. 

Devs are definitely capable of fixing broken trophies - the game Disintegration actually had 3 online trophies completely changed to offline trophies (complete with new descriptions and goals) when the game's online servers shut down, keeping the plat wholly obtainable. Was pretty cool of them to do, even if the game itself apparently wasn't that great.

[jimbob12345678]

Instead of deleting the unobtainable, SONY should let the devs release a patch without charging them for it. That's the reason they don't get fixed half the time...

[SpaceIsDandy]

18 minutes ago, Floorkiller74 said:

The 3rd option makes no sense. How can people have earned an unobtainable trophy? I think you mean discontinued. Nothing that's simply discontinued should be removed.

 

I think it's a little different with Sony. With Xbox they can theoretically just have the game go below 1K gamerscore. With Sony, do you delete the platinum too? I imagine reconfiguring the Plat would be a whole lot more work than just deleting trophies. 

 

There is a trophy on Little Deviants (NA) for responding to an online score challenge however it is glitched and now only people who last played the game in 2012 can be used to send a challenge. Soon enough every single possible person will be unable to help, and since its a vita title no patches. 

 

I agree that a platinum could make things more difficult though. What would happen if someone had every trophy other than the unobtainable one(s)?

[serrated-banner9]

37 minutes ago, LastMinuteSavior said:

 

 

eassnity my reaction.

 

this is interesting and nice for xbox players to finally complete that game.

 

The only downside i see to this is that there may be a rift between devs and sony/Microsoft as they the devs may feel that Microsoft is intruding on what should be *their* problem

 

 

 

[Mori]

12 minutes ago, jimbob12345678 said:

Instead of deleting the unobtainable, SONY should let the devs release a patch without charging them for it. That's the reason they don't get fixed half the time...

 

Do you have any realiable source this is the case? I looked into it a bit last year due to some issues with a game having unobtainables and opinions are all over the place with people saying this isnt the case anymore; it is still the case but 3 patches are free before a fee is charged; that has never been the case and more that I can't remember rn.

 

On topic, games like Dragon Fin Soup should be the only ones being affected by such a move. There is too much risk in this going south if they start removing trophies from games people have earned in the past.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Mori

[RNumbers]

Very unlikely Sony will take the effort to do this. Take the aforementioned Dragon Fin Soup as an example. The plat has a 1.3% rarity on PSN, meaning people have earned it. "Obviously cheaters," you would say, and I would agree. But is Sony going to take the time to investigate whether the earners are legit? Snowball's chance, IMO.

Edited June 2, 2023 by RNumbers

[KenjiCBZ]

Personally, I would try to replace unobtainable Trophies with something still obtainable of roughly the same difficulty. Getting an insta Plat when they completely erase the unobtainable Trophies wouldn't feel the same as those who instead obtained them.

[No longer here]

Good job Microsoft, ya needed this after Redfall lol

[LastMinuteSavior]

1 minute ago, KenjiCBZ said:

Personally, I would try to replace unobtainable Trophies with something still obtainable of roughly the same difficulty.

 

That has already occured with Rainbow Six Siege I believe.