Kittens Are Awesome Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 When is this being implemented? I thought the last site maintenance would have been it. How far along is the program/process? I ask this because of the next game I'm going to get: Motorstorm: Pacific Rift. I like to see the latest players and how far along they are. I noticed one of the recent players has hacked the crap out of his collection. That kind of errks me. Also, when I look on ebay for Motorstorm, one of the top three results is a trophy buying service. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Lilith Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 When is this being implemented? I thought the last site maintenance would have been it. How far along is the program/process? I ask this because of the next game I'm going to get: Motorstorm: Pacific Rift. I like to see the latest players and how far along they are. I noticed one of the recent players has hacked the crap out of his collection. That kind of errks me. Also, when I look on ebay for Motorstorm, one of the top three results is a trophy buying service. Crazy. People that pay for trophies are crazy, yes. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimydawg___ Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 When is this being implemented? I thought the last site maintenance would have been it. How far along is the program/process? I ask this because of the next game I'm going to get: Motorstorm: Pacific Rift. I like to see the latest players and how far along they are. I noticed one of the recent players has hacked the crap out of his collection. That kind of errks me. Also, when I look on ebay for Motorstorm, one of the top three results is a trophy buying service. Crazy. You would have to ask Sly that question (obviously). MotorStorm is relatively easy and can be done in a week. That was when the online was active though. I'm sure it's dead now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allenbird Posted June 6, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2012 I have many different opinions regarding this. The integrity of a leaderboard is only as good as the people who are on it. The quality of the gaming community is only as good as the people who have knowledge of the games they are playing. Hacking a game adds nothing to the integrity of the leaderboard nor the quality of the community. If you have a question about a game, you can't ask a person who has hacked that game for any constructive advice. In this community especially where trophy rarity is put on display, hacking undermines that system entirely. Sure you could say that not enough people hack a certain game to make any difference. One thing I would also like to bring up is the fact that groups of players on a single account do not equal single players on their own accounts. There will be an obvious disparity in stats on the leaderboard for accounts shared and ones that are not. I only talk about this because I have heard of several players talk about being part of a group that gets trophies on one account just to boost leaderboard stats. In that case, If I were to join my trophy earnings with someone else who has a decent amount, anyone at all could be at the top of the leaderboards. This of course is not the same as hacking and has never been frowned down upon from what I have read, just pointing out that it isn't the same talking about single players accounts compared to joint accounts. I don't really care about the leaderboards so the hacking issue comes down to what you want for the community. To me there is no way to separate all the cheaters or groups and make it an all player leaderboard who has earned every trophy they have. That would be ideal and I suppose this is a step in the right direction. Though I don't see much difference in one hacked game or 3 hacked games. You don't hack games by mistake and just because it was a popular trend back in the day doesn't give you any integrity back. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Though I don't see much difference in one hacked game or 3 hacked games. You don't hack games by mistake and just because it was a popular trend back in the day doesn't give you any integrity back. While I agree with everything you said, I understand the wanting of at least 3. 1 plat could be a glitch...with 3 there is no doubt....however, if you gone to lengths to cheat one, I'm willing to bet the farm that you'd do it again wherever possible. You can have all the timestamp changing hacks possible, but with enough detective work, eventually every cheater would be eventually removed. You get the obvious ones initially and round up the stragglers in the following days. You just don't advertise how you're finding/figuring out how it's being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCChrono Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 While I agree with everything you said, I understand the wanting of at least 3. 1 plat could be a glitch...with 3 there is no doubt....however, if you gone to lengths to cheat one, I'm willing to bet the farm that you'd do it again wherever possible. You can have all the timestamp changing hacks possible, but with enough detective work, eventually every cheater would be eventually removed. You get the obvious ones initially and round up the stragglers in the following days. You just don't advertise how you're finding/figuring out how it's being done. Of course some people have a glitch and would be wrongfully removed if a one strike system was used, but if they truly were a "clean" player they could explain to Sly and be brought included again. I would think many people would not care they were off the leaderboard too, so I suspect the wrongfully kicked would be a severe minority. And hearing the complaints from those wrogfully removed would better compile a list of easy/glitched platinums. If the system is already skipping a no timestamp platinums, there shouldn't be too many games that can cause a platinum to show up in under 25 minutes. ...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STFUxDxD Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I like the idea of an automatic flagging system for certain game titles but believe the report button would be most effective. The report should also be accompanied by a brief message allowing the reporter to explain why he/she thinks a person may be cheating. Reports should only come from gamers who actually understand the required time it takes to complete a particular game and who have either achieved platinum or have spent a significant amount of time working towards it. I mentioned Street Fighter 4 in my earlier post as a game that I have completed 100% and earned platinum (126 hours to obtain). It would be fair for me to report suspicious completion times for this game. White Knight Chronicles is a game mentioned early in this thread; I have never played this game and would not be qualified to report anyone who has. This is a system I think will work well. Has liberty city always been on the leaderboards? That guy is flying up the boards although I think he is hacking his way up. Yeah, I noticed this one also and must say they are embarrassingly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magifyre Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I hope the cheaters are removed from the leader boards. How can anyone be proud of trophies they did not earn? As far as I'm concerned 1 hacked trophy should be enough for removal, and "gaming teams" are no better than the hackers. Either way, you are not earning your trophies yourself.. what you're doing is attempting to deceive your peers into thinking that you're more talented than you actually are. Sad, really.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool12zzz Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I hope the cheaters are removed from the leader boards. How can anyone be proud of trophies they did not earn? As far as I'm concerned 1 hacked trophy should be enough for removal, and "gaming teams" are no better than the hackers. Either way, you are not earning your trophies yourself.. what you're doing is attempting to deceive your peers into thinking that you're more talented than you actually are. Sad, really.. i agree totally , the leaderboards are stupid until the cheaters are removed . but i agree with roughdawg about being unable to spot team cheaters , you just cant tell for sure , so it is best left alone . but what kind of a sad person gives his time and effort for somebody else's benefit , sad really . the only reason these sad people cheat is so that everyone would be amazed and think they are wonderful for having so many trophies ( they are probably the type of person that lies about how much money they have and how many girlfriends they get in real life ) . so by removing them from the leaderboards ,it is removing the reason for the cheating . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quorthon89 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ban them cheaters fast, on YGC there's been an option to flag cheaters for a long time now. Just compare the leaderboards... YGCs leadboards are more or less "clean" now while the leaderboards here are still infected with cheater scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattas22 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ill ask my question again. If someone gets removed from the leaderboards for hacking games what happens to the platinum club for those games that they cheated on? id like to see the true platinum % for SOCOM Confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Div_Muzza Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) They should have seperate leaderboards for people who play on their own and people who play in these 'trophy teams'. I never realized how much hacking was going on till I looked at the Skyrim 100% club. I'm glad something is being done about it. Props to Sly and the guys who run the site. Edited June 9, 2012 by Div_Muzza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieboy Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ill ask my question again. If someone gets removed from the leaderboards for hacking games what happens to the platinum club for those games that they cheated on? id like to see the true platinum % for SOCOM Confrontation. They will be removed from plat club, 100% club, game leaderboard and trophy achievers lists as well as the overall leaderboard. Sly answered this question way back in post #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattas22 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 They will be removed from plat club, 100% club, game leaderboard and trophy achievers lists as well as the overall leaderboard. Sly answered this question way back in post #4. Ah ok cheers for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil_Mermaid_Girl Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I was just thinking, instead of having a fixed 3 hacked games limit for everyone, what if it was dynamic based on how many games you have? For example, if you have 1% games hacked (1 hacked game for every 100 games played), then you'll be removed. This would also allow users to be able to earn their way back onto the leaderboards for playing legit games. Also, 57 posts removed from this thread. Stay on topic and be nice. No offense but it kind of sounds like playing favoritism with duck360 because this post came in just a few posts after duck posted. I think zero_q8's suggestion that he would make a new username and platinum the games that were hacked on it, to prove to you that they did get it legit at least once, would "make up" for the hacks. It will be good for forum users to see that, but hard to explain to the average joe who looks at the leaderboard knowing duck had hacked games and not visiting the forums to see they tried to make amends by legitly platinuming them. I just saw the post where you said cheaters will be removed from the 100% clubs but not the main leaderboard. I think that's fine. I know some people really want cheaters removed from the leaderboard too (I do too) but with the xploder thing people can do now, people will just get sneakier about it anyways. I think the 100% club removal is a great first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M-Easy Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Where are we with this. I love the original idea and hopefully it gets implimented soon. And again please dont take punishment adice from the people getting punished. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobitojlbs Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Hi, i think i have seen some misterious platiners in Dragon Ball Raging Blast 2 trophy list, there are some guys that got the platinum in 1 day..., and you need at least only 2-3 days to complete galaxy mode... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaDenmad Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 It seems a lot of cheater accounts go for japanese-only games. Just look at https://psnprofiles.com/100-club/The-Reminiscence-of-Haruhi-Suzumiya-JP . Estimated platinum time from legit players is 12 to 40 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool12zzz Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It seems a lot of cheater accounts go for japanese-only games. Just look at http://psnprofiles.c...uhi-Suzumiya-JP . Estimated platinum time from legit players is 12 to 40 hours. if you check out the fastest platinums for this title, you will see XxAgExOFxJoHNxX has 4 profiles which he cheats with . i have watched him a bit because he is from the same country as me . his 1st profile XxAgExOFxJoHNxX goes all the way into the worlds top 20 but all the other trophy leaderboard sites banned him so he puts another one through , that 2nd one AgeOfJohn was going up the leaderboards and got noticed and banned so now he is doing it with more profiles ! what a troll ! is the need to be liked or impress people so high that you have to spend all your time and effort copying peoples files . i would love to sit him in a psychiatrists chair for a while , and find out . also if you check out the cheaters friends lists you will in many cases see other cheaters , its like they have their own little community going on to help each other out . also they are getting smarter with timestamps if you check out XxAgExOFxJoHNxXs splinter cell pandora tomorrow trophies , they are still clearly downloaded but done in such a way as to appear like it took weeks to complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielVT Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 removing them completely seems easier than removing game points from the psn id. Agreed, removing just the points would be a painstakingly imperfect process. Just delete the frickers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLew-- Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 tbh if you going to remove any cheaters your have to do it with no exceptions. you can allow certain games like socom etc, if they have done it then they are no better thats just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobitojlbs Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I think they should be remove without exception, https://psnprofiles.com/shakka_26, this guy is a cheater for life, he add people asking for saves, offering 90 days of plus..., tellin lies like " Only 2 trophies needed, and dont want to sincronice because i like to see the 100%..." Well the outline for this guy should be: 5 platinums the firs day he turned on the ps3. Catherine platinum 6 hours. Splaterhouse platinum 5 minutes... Dragons Dogma 2 hours... Sengoku Basara 4 minutes... And so on... This kind of people is the worst and should not appear in rankings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STFUxDxD Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 The list of trophy hackers is definitely growing, or at least I’m becoming more aware of them. I won’t name names but just check out the 100% clubs of Modern Warfare 2, LittleBigPlanet 2, and GTA IV. This thread has become somewhat stale and still nothing has been done to remove any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sly Ripper Posted June 27, 2012 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2012 The list of trophy hackers is definitely growing, or at least I’m becoming more aware of them. I won’t name names but just check out the 100% clubs of Modern Warfare 2, LittleBigPlanet 2, and GTA IV. This thread has become somewhat stale and still nothing has been done to remove any of them. There's a lot of work that needs to go into it since I'll be excluding them from all stats/trophy rarities. The automatic flagging has 1,506 users cheating 3,105 games. When I do implement the removal all those will disappear instantly. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 There's a lot of work that needs to go into it since I'll be excluding them from all stats/trophy rarities. The automatic flagging has 1,506 users cheating 3,105 games. When I do implement the removal all those will disappear instantly. Thank you sir, glad to know something is in the works. Obviously I knew you were working on it but it's always nice to hear updates. Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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