TLOU 2 spoilers galore and also Ghost of Tsushima delayed

[Gladiator995]

1 minute ago, Seraphim_Rez said:

 

Do some women have a chest of that size naturally? Yes, but not with a body that is otherwise very petite.

I could post plenty of pictures to refute that but I’d get banned so I won’t ?

Just now, BloodyRutz said:

 

If the issue is that it's not continuation of original game, that is something I don't want. For me the game ended perfectly. If that's not the case, I still need to leave this thread since I didn't know this and I don't want to spoil the rest. I'm sorry I'm out like this.

It is a continuation of the first game and people are angry as to what actually happens ruins the story. I’ll leave it at that.

[Fubuki]

12 minutes ago, BloodyRutz said:

 

Since you're starting to slowly spoiling it for me, I'm leaving this thread. Also I don't want the continuation of the last game. The game ended perfectly.

Don't see how I'm slowly spoiling it. I didn't mention plot detsils, other than a forced agenda. Besides, it's saving you 60 dollars. Your money, your loss. 

[BloodyRutz]

2 hours ago, The Titan said:

Don't see how I'm slowly spoiling it. I didn't mention plot detsils, other than a forced agenda. Besides, it's saving you 60 dollars. Your money, your loss. 

 

I'm sorry, I guess I'm being overly careful.

 

3 hours ago, The Titan said:

The game already got fucking leaked. Why do you think theres so many people pissed off. People don't want this "sequel" they want a continuation of the last game. Not a forced agenda. Which from the leaks is what it looks like.

 

3 hours ago, Gladiator995 said:

It is a continuation of the first game and people are angry as to what actually happens ruins the story. I’ll leave it at that.

 

Let me rephrase myself. I'm obviously fully aware that the game got fucking leaked. But I can't really formulate my own opinion on the game the story without seeing the spoilers, can I? Hence I was saying the game is not out yet.

 

Also, the reason I mentioned in my post that what can be an issue for one person, does not need to be an issue for somebody else is that I don't really expect the continuation of the story. I mean, I never thought about it. I wouldn't mind but if they come up with a different story I'm good with it. For me personally, the story of the previous game ended and it cannot really be ruined. The worst-case scenario is that I will not like the story of the sequel.

 

Also, regarding the sheep reference. Again, without spoiling the story I cannot really do proper "research". I liked the first game, I liked the official footage shown so far and I liked the rest of the Naughty Dog's games I've played so far. These are the reasons for me to buy it. And if I take your word and will not buy a game because of it, I don't see how it is different from being sheep.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by BloodyRutz

[PatinumNumemon]

Agendas will always be pushed in various media. Here it is no exception. As a straight Caucasian male I love female protagonists in various media (Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII will ALWAYS be among my favorite video game characters ever and I love Ashoka Tano from The Clone Wars) and enjoy making female characters in games where character customization is available (examples being GTA 5, Fallout New Vegas, and Skyrim). However, I must say the execution of the story points for The Last of Us 2 (from what was spoiled, and again no spoilers from me) are terrible. The unfortunate reality about this argument is that it will forever be a stalemate until the side that has not seen the spoilers finally sees the narrative and forms their opinion. After that, the only three options I see happening for that person is 1.) they join the side that is against the story elements and admit the people they have been arguing with the whole time were correct, 2.) they actually enjoy the game for what it is and can effectively explain their reasoning as to why they liked certain elements, or 3.) regardless of whether they actually enjoy what they experienced or not, still try to defend the decisions made at Naughty Dog mindlessly because anyone can be a Stan to anything. Overall, I hope everyone who buys the game and/or sees the final product enjoys the game, because that is what it comes down to at the end of the day: is the final product worth it? 

[Quink666]

1 hour ago, Gladiator995 said:

When people are choosing to ignore the facts and issues and just buy it anyway, I’d say that’s a very sheepish mentality. The game isn’t out yet the majority of the plot has been released for everyone to see, you don’t need a private investigator for that 

 

Some people have not spoiled the game by reading the leaks and want to experience the game as a whole and not snippets from the leak. So the vast majority of people who buy this is old enough to dont give a shit about internet bandwagoners and make up their own mind.

[Solid-Fisch]

2 hours ago, talespagni said:

 

He talks about diversity, understanding, respect and so on, but the moment he feels people doesn't agree with him, he turns on the "it's either us or them" card.

 

There's an old Lênin quote who goes something like, "accuse them of what you do, call them of what you are".

 

PS: dear moderator, once again, do not delete my posts by saying I'm going off topic. One with a basic reading comprehension would understand the point I'm trying to make by linking one issue to the other here.

I just love how you hit the nail right on the spot. 

[BG_painter]

9 hours ago, panikooooos said:

Druckmann posted this as an instagram story 14 hours ago ? Anyone else getting Battlefield V vibes? "Don't buy our games bigots" *sales tank* ?

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He deleted the post. He used diversity ppl as his shield as usual. This left vs right mentality is so tiring, it feeds and maintain itself so both sides can be rotating in power. I h8 this. I h8 ppl can't see thru this shiz. He is doing this for shock value and he is feeding into the outrage. And as I am one person in one of those grups that he is using as a shield I always worry and ponder if extreme atitudes like this will have a negative impact on the true diversity in games.

A game plot comparing below, i put in spoiler because my comparison is kinda a spoiler without context:

Spoiler

Long ago I was very invested in Metal Gear Solid and I was one of the ppl that got upset  to play as Raiden in MGS2. I remember that I wanted to play as a Beautiful 3D PS2 Solid Snake Model (not that horrible lego squared ps1 model) and when I got how small tanker chapter was I was very #upset (lol). I was a crazy Solid Snake fan. IF Kojima had made us kill Solid Snake while Raiden in plant chapter I would probably be insanely mad, no kidding. I don't think Abby as a character has enough backstory and plot behind her to sustainely make the player don't get offended to use her to kill the main characters. Just as Raiden didn't have. They are too new characters, it needs time. Shifts like this in story need to be very carefully constructed. More like MG4 when we fight Ocelot in the end... I kinda liked him and didn't want him to die. But it took 4 games to build that vibe, and he is a villain..

 

[khaki_pants]

I don't mind spoilers but I completely understand why others hate them.  That being said, what ND did with this games (based on the leaks) is not good.  I realize this is simply my opinion, but this is one of those rare cases when the game getting leaked did most of the US gaming community a favor.  ND will alienate the overwhelming majority of Americans.  Here are a few facts to consider, based on multiple, credible sources - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045218 - https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/ - https://countrymeters.info/en/United_States_of_America_(USA)#population_2019 - (obviously these are only USA statistics):

 

Race: 76.5% White

Age: 66.8% 15-64 years old

Religion: 78.3% Christian

 

For those who have seen the spoilers, you know why these statistics are important.

Edited April 29, 2020 by khaki_pants

[ziggypossum]

 

[scemopagliaccioh]

There really isn't much left  to say about this, I'll just post one last message and go.

People that think only a minority care about "sjw topics"   just show how they  consider it  normal when it's their side, when it's much more simple:  people don't want your arguments/ideology  born of the culturally balkanized anglo countries, because they're a cancer that destroys the fabric of a culture, or society, since you all love Joker, no amount of gun control, free healthcare, black women as president/leader or wealth redistribution  is gonna change that,  it makes people psychopaths, and then you get school shootings, or "knife attacks" or even "van attacks" until you "ban" everything  and you're left with  "lapidation attacks". 

I don't really mean  to offend any INDIVIDUAL  person in one of the  anglo countries, but can I really be blamed if I don't want the atomisation of my country  where it  leads to this mass psychopathy?  "What's wrong with trans people?"  What's wrong with the inverse, sorry? What's wrong in my country where I don't have to worry 1/8 of my neighbourhood MUST  be black at all costs otherwise we're closet racists, or that I don't have to walk on eggshells because thing x is now considered offensive? Nobody in my neighbourhood  is black, asian, hispanic or trans, I don't even think gay, but I certainly don't care enough to verify for your fetishes, and guess what? It's not the end of the world, nobody has died from it, we may not have the riches of say, a place like California, but guess what, we don't even suffer from extreme inflation or high taxes, nobody here in my place is homeless and they can all buy their daily food, even in a critical condition like this pandemic. Then, stuff like this from America/other places, but IIRC ND is in California has to come up with this kind of shit under the illusory guise of "entertainment", you ask "what's wrong", but think about it under the same "venom lenses" you  reserve for "russian trolls spouting pro-Trump propaganda"  and the like, and then you clearly see, it's a propaganda mouthpiece to change your way of life, because too many people have become psychotic and they think caring about lgbtq+, minority, whatever is gonna redeem them and make them compassionate people, then it's back at slaving your co-workers, bonus point if they're "whites" or christians, ultra combo if both. Of course, many italians would love working in a place like  for example California for the pay (and you'd like it too, as you could easily trick them into taking less money than a "normal" Cali), but I said working, not living. There is a mental divide that will have to be faced in the future in these anglo countries I'm afraid, and there is no easy way out for one side like "stop being a bigot icsdee" in the meantime though, you could do your job... entertainment, not indoctrination, so that other countries can be a mess too.

  Neil Druckmann is the current perfect example of this, and before  I go into details, can I say how cute some of you bringing earlier examples then pompously shouting "see!? It was always like this"? It doesn't even require much efforts, as most of them  are recycled through and through, like how Bioshock is a clear "fuck you" to libertarianism, while forgetting how Ayn Rand's anagram betrayed those same values long before his death, or how Fontaine, the final  antagonist  worked tirelessly to destroy that  same ideal and city, while also trying to have a monopoly around Adam. Or how about FF7's eco terrorists fighting "corporate fascists" at the first section of the game, only to then realize they've been bad too later on, hell, a nazi could even say that Shinra, the major problem, is formed from  descendants of a desert tribe that invaded said planet and now use their vast monopoly of riches to do whatever they want. Or Metal Gear, with Big Boss talking (briefly) about Che Guevara, but also having Senator Steven fucking Armstrong, both presented as competent antagonists the games do not push you to hate. Or FFX and religion,  Yu Yevon  revealed to be a broken man that just wanted to protect his homeland, not an almighty god like the one in the abrahamic religions, on the contrary, he's just a mindless shell that acts on protective instincts by the time you meet him, then  FFX-2  has Nooj, possessed by a spirit that (literally) wants to blow up  the entire world,  founding and leading a political party that wants to do away with  religions and the old ways.

Do you see a pattern here? The games don't show you a caricature of what you/the author hates, or love, they show you complex and interesting characters with the purpouse of telling an entertaining story, that, is the difference between entertainment and indoctrination.

Don't even get me started on the creatively bankrupt comic book industry,  who've been coasting by barely for decades and only have to thank the recent Marvel movies for relevancy, oh wow, this character is Superman, but she's a girl, oh wow, everyone loved Batman who Laughs, let's Jokerize everyone.

But, feel free to disregard everything I said, perhaps wait some years so that enough people forget, and then you can say "nobody gave a shit when BF5 introduced a crippled female soldier and a fucking european soldier with a katana, you're just fixated on politics now".

Now, Druckmann... I despise this man ardently,  and for many reasons:

- He's a jew, as a (non-believer) jew myself, it pisses me off that he has to contribute to the stereotype that all jews hate europeans (what you call "white" people).

- He's a bully, this is intrinsically connected to left wing ideology, but basically, since "white" people, especially men have no protection he can do whatever he wants with his white employee, with at worst, having another sellout like Schreier handwaving everything with talk about unionisation (aka, find a job to some of their friends, so that they get cash and can join the "Druckmanns" in the bullying

- which  has a turning point  with majority of the older staff leaving, but the company still wearing the "mask" of what they were previously

- Contributed to the microtransaction shit, quite early at that,  but since people always go on autopilot, whenever they hear that word, always think of EA, Activision and Ubisoft, but not darling Naughty Dog, nono, can't be.

- The gravest sin of all to me, as a (small) company founder: has no respect to his seniors or juniors, and has shown that many times, hope you end up  like Cobain since you like him that much, you pos.

- Overworking his staff so that  all NPCs can have beating hearts, this is wrong on so many levels, I guess he doesn't mind if they're "whites" or christians, but is this really the direction gaming is going? You wanna tell me that it's perfectly fine, and that other devs should applaud and emulate that? What the fuck does this have to do with videogames? Jesus 

- "diversity as important as gameplay  and graphics" I won't touch with diversity, as any people not intrinsically connected to the dogma is aware it means shit (and it goes outside   "pepe frog gangs" or whatever hip names you imbeciles can come up with), but graphics as important as gameplay? Really?

- " we don't use the word fun" that's the magnus opium of an embodiment of said generation in desperate search of ways to feel more intelligent and/or unique, a pretentious little shit, unable to work at movies, going into the videogame industry  and banking there because "gamers" (ugh) have the lowest of standards, they even police themselves the critics in the first place!

- And all the fucking movie games they inspired this generation.

You're goddamn right if you think I want Naughty Dog to crash and burn, it's past the point of saving, only thing left is for the company to fuck off and the talented ones going somewhere else, and that, may have already happened, curiously enough.

But  this is why I think this game will be a trainwreck, mind you, I only played the first chapter of TLOU1 on grounded,  but I watched the entire thing on Youtube, as intended by the devs:

There will be no online, I'm sure Druckmann  did this to avoid  a micro backlash but it will bite him back, many people, for some strange reasons liked the online, and, while I hate it because it reminds me of the PSPlus Mafia (psst, kid, it's just 50, errr 60 euro a year, you want that online and "protection" against bad servers, don't cha?) online greatly adds longevity in games. Offline wise, the characters aren't anything to write home about  but this is where the interactive medium strikes, as you play an interactive, not passive role in the videogame  it's easier to build a "connection" compared to other forms. And so, what are Joel and Ellie?  A father-daughter relationship, non-biological one to boot, so we even take those fathers that parent non-biological childrens, as it's something greatly growing in places like America.

So, we have an older male protecting his daughter after having a trauma at the start of the game, won't spoil more but I guess all of you know what happens, it's a goldmine, as  a self insert, an adult woman see a competent father figure with a grizzly past, slowly  opening up again during the course of the game, a young boy see a badass, an adult man can self insert as him, whether he's a father or not (though, if he's a father, even better for the self insertion)  and a young woman see a strong father figure making her engaged in the story. It's a very strong formula  for a protagonist in an ageing demographic, male, female, white, black etc, and, as a matter of fact, Cory Balrog later on took Kratos and remodelled him in a similiar way, with a wonderful reception, and, I gotta admit, I strongly prefer current Kratos than the old one, my gripe came with the combat. Even Druckmann  himself, self inserted as Joel later on, by making him jewish, though, by the TLOU2 leaks, I suspect that this is not enough anymore for him. So you see, how "important" this character is, alongside Ellie, which is deeply connected to the character of Joel. But the new character? It's gonna be a "It's ma'am" cascade of memes, and sure, I could very well be wrong, as I want ND to fuck off already, not so because some neckbeard youtuber in search of revenue can talk about shitty unionisation or get woke go broke (but as a sidenote, that both the left wing and right wing have a schematic ready in case ND fails to deliver, does not bode well for them), but because they're a cancer in the philosophical, game design, and inspiration factors.

T. Terrone from Terronistan, we already have  the entire problem of the North stealing riches  from the South  during the unification, so no, we don't care about  your "you're white, you should be ashamed of yourself, you racist, sexist, transphobic bigots", illusory problems you create out of your bored minds, and definitely, we don't need them in a videogame, who we play after a long, stressful day at work.

 

[Gladiator995]

28 minutes ago, Quink666 said:

 

Some people have not spoiled the game by reading the leaks and want to experience the game as a whole and not snippets from the leak. So the vast majority of people who buy this is old enough to dont give a shit about internet bandwagoners and make up their own mind.

So I keep getting told yet it clearly bothers a few people here that I’ve pointed out the issues with the game as well as what many others have. You want to buy the game anyway, good for you, have a little pat on the head.

[Quink666]

7 minutes ago, Gladiator995 said:

So I keep getting told yet it clearly bothers a few people here that I’ve pointed out the issues with the game as well as what many others have. You want to buy the game anyway, good for you, have a little pat on the head.

 

So you keep pointing out things that might be an issue for you but not others. Other people can formulate their own opinion after experiencing the full game is it was meant to. 

 

Might the game suck? Maybe. I prefer not to have politics shoved down my throat. But if it's done well i don't care as much, like in Left Behind.

 

The story of TLOU wasn't the best part about the game, the best part was the relationship between Joel and Ellie. So even if i read the spoilers i would probably still buy it. Can't make up your mind while only knowing parts of the game and seen only a few minutes of gameplay. Reading a text about spoilers and playing the game for yourself is totally different.

 

Like SkillUp put it. Imagine spoling God of War to someone just stating that Kratos and his son walk up a mountain? Not very intruiging is it? You need the full experience to make a educated opinion. You can have your pat back but on the shoulder. Good boy!

[panikooooos]

22 minutes ago, scemopagliaccioh said:

*just pure king shit*

One of the best posts I have ever seen on this website, thank you for taking the time to write this.

[Gladiator995]

8 minutes ago, Quink666 said:

 

So you keep pointing out things that might be an issue for you but not others. Other people can formulate their own opinion after experiencing the full game is it was meant to. 

 

Might the game suck? Maybe. I prefer not to have politics shoved down my throat. But if it's done well i don't care as much, like in Left Behind.

 

The story of TLOU wasn't the best part about the game, the best part was the relationship between Joel and Ellie. So even if i read the spoilers i would probably still buy it. Can't make up your mind while only knowing parts of the game and seen only a few minutes of gameplay. Reading a text about spoilers and playing the game for yourself is totally different.

 

Like SkillUp put it. Imagine spoling God of War to someone just stating that Kratos and his son walk up a mountain? Not very intruiging is it? You need the full experience to make a educated opinion. You can have your pat back but on the shoulder. Good boy!

So you didn’t read the spoilers and therefore have no idea what everyone is getting angry about, no pat for you silly boy! Walking up a mountain is very different to the main plot points of the story being leaked. The best part which you liked about the original is about to be disrupted in the worst possible way I’m afraid ? And there was nothing to read, it was all videos which I assumed you would know if you actually knew what was going on.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Gladiator995

[Quink666]

Just now, Gladiator995 said:

So you didn’t read the spoilers and therefore have no idea what everyone is getting angry about, no pat for you silly boy! Walking up a mountain is very different to the main plot points of the story being leaked. The best part which you liked about the original is about to be disrupted in the worst possible way I’m afraid  

 

If that's true i'll probably be dissapointed but still i'd like to discover that myself. As i said the game might suck. I never thought it could live up to the first game since Ellie is now older and probably doesn't have that father/daughter relationship with Joel anymore. But i won't be outraged before i know it all. I also know that alot of genuine fans of the first are dissapointed after reading the leaks so that is always a bad sign. Still I'll make my opinion after July 16th. 

 

If the game sucks i'll just sell it to a friend for 40 bucks as i usually do with games i dont like, meaning i'll only pay 20 for it. Not the end of the world.

[Gladiator995]

Just now, Quink666 said:

 

If that's true i'll probably be dissapointed but still i'd like to discover that myself. As i said the game might suck. I never thought it could live up to the first game since Ellie is now older and probably doesn't have that father/daughter relationship with Joel anymore. But i won't be outraged before i know it all. I also know that alot of genuine fans of the first are dissapointed after reading the leaks so that is always a bad sign. Still I'll make my opinion after July 16th. 

 

If the game sucks i'll just sell it to a friend for 40 bucks as i usually do with games i dont like, meaning i'll only pay 20 for it. Not the end of the world.

But if you actually looked into the topic instead of turning a blind eye to the outrage from fans, you’d see why the anger is there. The spoilers that have been released have completely put off fans from playing it due to what actually happens. I didn’t enjoy the first game but was tempted to buy the second anyway to see how it plays out but fortunately this situation has stopped me from giving my money to a studio that clearly doesn’t deserve it. At the end of the day, the sales figures will determine the outcome.

[BloodyRutz]

1 hour ago, Gladiator995 said:

So you didn’t read the spoilers and therefore have no idea what everyone is getting angry about, no pat for you silly boy! Walking up a mountain is very different to the main plot points of the story being leaked. The best part which you liked about the original is about to be disrupted in the worst possible way I’m afraid And there was nothing to read, it was all videos which I assumed you would know if you actually knew what was going on.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Gladiator995 said:

But if you actually looked into the topic instead of turning a blind eye to the outrage from fans, you’d see why the anger is there. The spoilers that have been released have completely put off fans from playing it due to what actually happens. I didn’t enjoy the first game but was tempted to buy the second anyway to see how it plays out but fortunately this situation has stopped me from giving my money to a studio that clearly doesn’t deserve it. At the end of the day, the sales figures will determine the outcome.

 

Again, putting it like being so-called informed customer equals to spoil the game for yourself and everybody else dare to buy the game and formulate their own opinion is a sheep. 

[Gladiator995]

7 minutes ago, BloodyRutz said:

 

 

Again, putting it like being so-called informed customer equals to spoil the game for yourself and everybody else dare to buy the game and formulate their own opinion is a sheep. 

I haven’t once said what the spoilers are specifically, seems to me like you’re clinging for straws. Again I’m not stopping you from buying the game, I’m calling people a sheep when they dismiss people’s concerns as being ignorant and wrong.

[BloodyRutz]

2 minutes ago, Gladiator995 said:

I haven’t once said what the spoilers are specifically, seems to me like you’re clinging for straws. Again I’m not stopping you from buying the game, I’m calling people a sheep when they dismiss people’s concerns as being ignorant and wrong.

 

Putting it like this, makes sense and I agree.

Edited April 29, 2020 by BloodyRutz

[Redgrave]

As someone who only played the first game on PS3 when it released, I wasn't really a huge fan of the game but I do think it earned the praise it got and I find the story and it's set pieces very memorable. It's one of the few games where I can look back at it again through a LP or something and still think it looks great, and I'm even willing to say it can be considered timeless. I'm not exactly sure what's kept me from really loving it like a lot of other people do but I would have been on board with a sequel had things not turned out the way they did.

 

Seeing the leaks now (even if I wanted to avoid them I know I wouldn't have) the sequel to me spells out that it's going to be like what The Last Jedi did to Star Wars where instead of a sequel where things build off from the original we just get our expectations subverted (not in a good way anyway) and it not only makes the game itself bad but also takes away the accomplishments of the first game. Even more to that is that there obviously is some kind of agenda to it and seeing Neil's childish responses say more than enough on how he handles criticism.

 

But at least there's Ghost of Tsushima to look forward to. Even if it doesn't sell as much as The Last of Us 2 does, everything that we've seen on it has shown that it's only real goal is to be a cool Samurai game that the devs clearly put a lot of love into and that's what should really matter at the end of the day. I'm glad we still have Sucker Punch willing to make a fun game where Neil apparently isn't interested in doing so. The Samurai shall stand strong!

 

[damon8r351]

You know, I'm starting to wonder if maybe the CDC started putting pandemic information on 4chan, Reddit, and Youtube (already is), if it would be embraced and followed as unquestionedly as this is.

Edited April 30, 2020 by damon8r351

[Starcade_Legend]

So I’d like to give my thoughts on this game (which I have not played, admittedly; moreso giving thoughts on the confirmed leaks) and the entertainment institute nowadays as a whole.

 

My industry that I make a living from is business.  The more involved you are with the art of business, you realize that you’re really becoming a disciple in the art of psychology...understanding people.’s behavior to be able to make a more precise business decision.  Some good business decisions (understanding what people want) were a he many iterations of Street Fighter 2, Nintendo with their closed/niche gaming ecosystem, and Microsoft with their Windows platform.  Each of those scenarios saw a small light develop (by accident, usually) and the owners/creators asked themselves ‘what about this success has the people enamored with our product/service?  Because we need to keep giving them MORE OF THAT.’

 

Examples of the bed being wet is Disney’s take on the Star Wars franchise, Microsoft in the home gaming console (they’ve never came in 2nd place in 3 generations of home consoles), and now I’m (prematurely) adding...TLOU 2.  What do those 3 have in common, you ask?  Having success in a certain field, giving the aura of ‘I know what I’m doing, because I’m successful in life!’, and with that head of steam, they don’t PROPERLY gauge/respect their audience on what *THEY* want.  Who are *THEY*?  The masses, and not the vocal few.  Your true demographic of consumers.  The people who will watch a Star Wars movie 5 times/buy all the movies on VHS, DVD, BluRay, and digital/buys as money toys and Star Wars source material as their next couple of paychecks will afford, and not the blue twitter check marks that have never seen a Star Wars movie in their life but has ‘influence’.

 

NaughtyDog, you made a game, off of the steam of the success of your 1st iteration, based on what YOU wanted to make.  Finicky/immature/unrealistic or not...the people had CLEAR expectations for the sequel, and you looked at that rabid fan base that were willing to throw their wallets at the screen and said, ‘No.’

 

That reminds me of a famous quote from Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glenn Ross, ‘Get out there - you got the prospects coming in. You think they came in to get out of the rain? A guy don't walk on the lot lest he wants to buy. They're sitting out there waiting to give you their money. Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it?’  Your audience was *CLEARLY* telling you what they wanted more of for the sequel, and just like Disney...you’d rather give the people what YOU want to give them.  I guess you know what you’re doing...
 

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Starcade_Legend
Grammar.

[AJ_Radio]

17 hours ago, rotoninja said:

 

I feel this happens a lot when a franchise/type of hobby (Star Wars, comics, etc.) reaches critical mass. When something niche suddenly becomes overly popular, it then becomes easy to market  and put on a path to maximize it profits; this comes at a cost unfortunately as sometimes decision makers cater to the lowest common denominator vs. the original fans, who supported the product in the first place. There's some initial spin by the page view news and the IGNs, but in the end nothing is left but piles of ash. Where is Star Wars now? How many comic book stores are closing these days? What is the current state of Battlefied? All good things come an end and enjoying ND's games were fun while they lasted...but the red flags started to appear when Druckmann decided to remove Doughnut Drake from UC4 to not offend overweight people.

 

Thank God for indie game developers. 

 

Everyone will agree that Star Wars was one of the most important and iconic Sci-Fi franchises of all time. People have complained about it for over 20 years now. I will still say the old original trilogy was a landmark in American cinema and it provided Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill long fruitful careers in show business. Most of the new stuff is just cashing in on a tired old franchise. All the reviews and the disappointment from old long time fans is concrete proof the franchise has gone down the toilet.

 

This is what happens when a product becomes "too popular". It becomes more profitable to cater to the lowest common denominator. The original fans are the select few. They don't make a company millions. The masses that make up the lowest common denominator do, so eventually you start throwing in crap like Call of Duty or Battlefield being advertised on Monster Energy drink products. You sacrifice creativity and self image for sheer profits and big marketing. Corporate suits love that stuff. They don't care about the quality or the content.

[Vampirehunter145]

19 hours ago, panikooooos said:

Druckmann posted this as an instagram story 14 hours ago ? Anyone else getting Battlefield V vibes? "Don't buy our games bigots" *sales tank* ?

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¿So entitled "jewish" gringo wants to make statements? Fair enough (as Mimir says in GOW 4). I was planning on buying this day one. Now i'm watching this with a respected "youtuber" and after that, i'll decide if i want to spend my well earned (at least) 40-60 dollars in the "vainilla" edition. I don't have a problem with minorities, homosexuals, trans, lesbians. I have a problem when they try to suddenly, without telling anyone, shove ideological crap into my throat, butchering things i appreciated earlier. I mention Star Wars as an example. Ask Rian Johnson what happened with Episode 8 after the crap-fest they stuffed there like in a "Cristmas" turkey. It backfired, the director and the writers got a giant backlash, movie didn't get the waited economical profits and "bye bye" the proyect of doing an "inclusive trilogy parade where everyone will accept whatever the hell a group of 40-50 people wants to feed us". P.D: I'm christian, and no, U.S and european citizens, we are not a bunch of radical retarded jackasses trying to kill other people with pitchforks and torches. Ironically, this plot coming from the studio with a jew as his "creative" head. P.D: Don't try to reach me with the "conservative/chrstian" stuff with Far Cry 5 as an example as that is a whole different thing.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Vampirehunter145

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You guys should see spoilers to get idea about how shitty plot is. I know we talk kinda off context, but man, there are some deeply-wrong bullshit happens in game, as for me. I am not going to spend money for game of this quality. It looks outstanding in visuals design,but what happens in leaked plot are beyond stupid. I hate when companies making games to satisfy social propaganda needs and SJW auditory. I am not hating anyone, but games are not field to make political statements. Sad,sad and again sad. This is one of the reasons I wouldn't buy PS5, because games are cost a lot, but they keep making worst and worst game with every year. I grew up on games made in 90s - classic, complicated,fun, without hand-holding and replayble for many years. But nowdays? I'll pass.