Sikutai Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ViensDanser said: all of these games in this section may not earn any points for the leaderbord ? that would be a good thing I would be for that too, but not retrospectively, that wouldn't be legal and not fair. But if it were to apply from today, for example, I could save more money in the future and afford one more holiday a year. Edited October 21, 2022 by Sikutai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: It's well within its rights to cater only to one side of that diagram, if the majority of its members want that - and the majority of members of this one joined prior to the exponential rise of the other side of the diagram. What site functionality did your side of the diagram lose when the other side showed up? From what I can tell, the leaderboards are working exactly as intended and functioning perfectly. You earn trophies, you get a score, your score is ranked. You haven't lost anything. Your side of the diagram just seems to be whining because they have to share space. They don't like the fact that they have to even look at these dregs that they call "addicts". From what I can tell 95% of the complaints are driven by overwrought disgust. I'm not sure why that demands action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, GraniteBeast603 said: What site functionality did your side of the diagram lose when the other side showed up? From what I can tell, the leaderboards are working exactly as intended and functioning perfectly. You earn trophies, you get a score, your score is ranked. You haven't lost anything. Your side of the diagram just seems to be whining because they have to share space. They don't like the fact that they have to even look at these dregs that they call "addicts". From what I can tell 95% of the complaints are driven by overwrought disgust. I'm not sure why that demands action. I don't think it lost any I've actually been pretty vocal about my "live and let live" stance on this - and my opposition to amending leaderboards etc - as most of the site members would confirm. If you're looking for someone to lose their cool, or come back at you with some Difficulty or Rarity Elitism, you picked the wrong mark. If there's anything I'm elitist about, it's game quality - and that's not a metric than can be measured with numbers or leaderboards - it's all about discussion and nuance. However, I am a gamer, and can't deny it was disheartening to see such a massive swathe of artless, joyless, cynical products drowning out all the games on the site, to the extent that it was becoming difficult to find the games among them. So is the change a massive change for me? Not really - but it's welcome. It makes the site marginally more user-friendly for me. That's not my point though - my point is, you are fighting a losing battle with this argument - because the converse is also true. What functionality have you lost, by not seeing the Shovelware games in the new release list, without pushing a button? None... ... so what exactly is your issue with the change? If you maintain the assertion that the change will make no difference to me... and to you... then why would you mind how the site chooses to filter its game list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: What functionality have you lost, not seeing the Shovelware games in the new release list You answered your own question dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, GraniteBeast603 said: You answered your own question dawg Okay - so you have to push one additional button. Well, that's quite the inconvenience - I'll give you that - however, the site caters to lots of other people too, and they were having to click quite a few extra buttons to flip pages, just to find games that were actually games... ...so on balance, the median inconvenience level has dropped pretty dramatically. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: median inconvenience level has dropped For whom? the change only affects this site. It's not a site for advertising new games, shopping, or store browsing. It's not a site for previews, reviews, or 'before-you-buy' columns. The PS Store hasn't changed. The inconvenience has been removed for the population of gamers who: Use this site to shop for new games (or to "decide what to play") Couldn't get that information from any of the dozens and dozens of places specifically made for that purpose. Aren't trophy hunting on a level competitive enough to want to see the "shovelware". It's a pretty narrow population, don't ya think? Everyone seems to be worried about some poor underprivileged but extremely hard working "indie" game developer who happened to program that rare gem that everybody loves but no one's ever heard about. Let's shed a tear for this poor aggrieved soul who is a genius at game design but apparently completely blows at marketing, sales, product placement, and every other skill a businessperson needs to deliver their product to a market. Let's shut down other businesses so this guy doesn't have to endure any consequences for his complete lack of competitive savvy. It all sounds so made up. I don't believe anyone is actually affected positively by this change. It seems to me that it's just a hand-waving exercise of appeasement. Edited October 21, 2022 by GraniteBeast603 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: For whom? the change only affects this site. It's not a site for advertising new games, shopping, or store browsing. It's not a site for previews, reviews, or 'before-you-buy' columns. The PS Store hasn't changed. The inconvenience has been removed for the population of gamers who: Use this site to shop for new games (or to "decide what to play") Couldn't get that information from any of the dozens and dozens of places specifically made for that purpose. Aren't trophy hunting on a level competitive enough to want to see the "shovelware". It's a pretty narrow population, don't ya think? Everyone seems to be worried about some poor underprivileged but extremely hard working "indie" game developer who happened to program that rare gem that everybody loves but no one's ever heard about. Let's shed a tear for this poor aggrieved soul who is a genius at game design but apparently completely blows at marketing, sales, product placement, and every other skill a businessperson needs to deliver their product to a market. Let's shut down other businesses so this guy doesn't have to endure any consequences for his complete late of competitive savvy. It all sounds so made up. I don't believe anyone is actually affected positively by this change. It seems to me that it's just a hand-waving exercise of appeasement. Again - your argument is nonsensical, because it is predicated on doublethink. You are saying both: "This change is wrong, because it inconveniences people like me, who now need to press an extra button to find my new releases" and "No one uses this list to find new releases, so there was nothing wrong with it before" If one is true, then the other can't be. If it matters what games are shown in that list, then the site should cater to the dominant user-base - and the majority user base doesn't want to see them by default. If it doesn't matter what games are shown in that list, then you have no basis for complaint, since, well... it doesn't matter. Edited October 21, 2022 by DrBloodmoney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurnin100 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Don’t like the feature, don’t use it , sorted. Everything else is non-applicable in this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LastMinuteSavior Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 Now we just need a button to turn off people looking to start a fight in the forums. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: Again - you're argument is nonsensical, because it is predicated on doublethink. You are saying both: "This change is wrong, because it inconveniences people like me, who now need to press an extra button to find my new releases" Not me. I took my money out of this industry quite a while ago. I only buy physical copies of games on the secondary market. However, an analogous example would be if I complained that Ebay should filter out annual sports titles (Madden, Fifa, etc) from retro video game search results. Requesting that kind of change would be "wrong" because it's an exercise in spoiled, selfish, elitism. Quote "No one uses this list to find new releases, so there was nothing wrong with it before" Which is why whining for change would be an exercise in spoiled, selfish, elitism. I think my thoughts are consistent across the board. No doublethink at work here. If you see a bear in your yard, don't throw a steak out the window hoping he'll be satisfied and go away. It won't be satisfied. It will come back. And if it doesn't get another steak, it will maul your face off. Sly gave the bears a steak yesterday. Let's see if he still has a face in two weeks. Edited October 21, 2022 by GraniteBeast603 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HusKy Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, ViensDanser said: all of these games in this section may not earn any points for the leaderbord ? that would be a good thing You reap what you sow. Have fun playing these turds. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Not me. I took my money out of this industry quite a while ago. I only buy physical copies of games on the secondary market. However, an analogous example would be if I complained that Ebay should filter out annual sports titles (Madden, Fifa, etc) from retro video game search results. Requesting that kind of change would be "wrong" because it's an exercise in spoiled, selfish, elitism. Which is why whining for change would be an exercise in spoiled, selfish, elitism. I think my thoughts are consistent across the board. No doublethink at work here. Okay - well in that case, no issues. You aren't inconvenienced - lots of other people are mildly convenienced - a net gain all round ☺️ I'm not sure I've been called an Elitist for quite some time, even in a round-about-sorta-way - that was fun! I wish I were elite enough at anything to be called that more regularly ? Still, seems odd to consider a requirement for a game on a gaming site to be a game is elitist - but I'll take it! ? Edited October 21, 2022 by DrBloodmoney 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepEyes7 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 52 minutes ago, Sikutai said: I would be for that too, but not retrospectively, that wouldn't be legal and not fair. But if it were to apply from today, for example, I could save more money in the future and afford one more holiday a year. Legal? You will still have all your trophies, level and whatever in the PSN app and your console, in the other hand PSNP isnt sony affiliated, if Sly wants tomorrow to not count all trophies that start with "a", he can, thats why we always have called for Sly whenever we wanted something change... and waited... and waited... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post B1rvine Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: I don't believe anyone is actually affected positively by this change. It seems to me that it's just a hand-waving exercise of appeasement. Well, it won’t benefit you anymore, since you can’t sell this crap as easily anymore. Good riddance. 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrmivo Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, GraniteBeast603 said: It's all coming from people who seem to be upset that they have to share space on the venn-diagram with this alternate metagame. I’m not someone who plays this meta game, only relatively recently returned to consoles, and with my four platinum trophies I am obviously not competing on the leaderboards. Nevertheless I feel that “games” that unlock platinum trophies in minutes, and that are released in increasing numbers, tremendously devalue trophy hunting as a hobby and by doing so hurt sites that are aimed at trophy hunting. A new person wanting to start trophy hunting is likely to get completely put off by these “games”. I see no fault with people who enjoy this hobby and who do want to play this meta game for opposing this development. I would, too. Reducing the attention these “games” get is an effective countermeasure (and this is evident by the opposition to them from interested parties, like seemingly you), but I feel it is only a first step. Follow up steps, like a carefully designed and prominently featured rarity based leader board, or counting stacks differently, would likely further counter the negative impact of these “games” that are solely made for cashing in on people who want to compete on leaderboards. They have no value or redeeming qualities as actual games. Calling them shovelware is generous. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HusKy Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Sly Ripper said: If anyone believes calling them shovelware is mean: Can we please have this shovelware flag clearly visible somewhere in the trophy list? This would help with reducing "suggestions" that might occur since it's impossible to tell if the game has been already tagged or not. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepEyes7 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 55 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Sly gave the bears a steak yesterday. Let's see if he still has a face in two weeks. lol, Sly has been attacked in thia forums for a long time, he is immortal now, imagine how a shitshow this shovelware is than even Sly did something 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post starcrunch061 Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Entitlement and elitism are apparent in about 2/3 of the posts in this thread and others like it. It's about to get a lot worse now that Sly poured gas on this fire. I noticed it took about 2.3 seconds after the latest change was implemented for people to start screaming "THIS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH! I WANT MOAR!!!!" You should be delighted by the possibility, since you only seem to exist within these threads. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelly Soup Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, B1rvine said: Well, it won’t benefit you anymore, since you can’t sell this crap as easily anymore. I mean, I'm sure not having it plastered on the front page that this stuff exists will have an effect on sales. But it's still going to happen. This change will only exclude the normies, the folks who buy cheap, easy stacks are still going to do that. Not that I particularly object either way. Edited October 21, 2022 by Jelly Soup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, DeepEyes7 said: lol, Sly has been attacked in thia forums for a long time, he is immortal now, imagine how a shitshow this shovelware is than even Sly did something "Let's see if he still has a face" Have you ever read something so stupid in your entire life? I can @Sly Ripper and confirm for him how much this community has bashed him for years AS IF HE DOESN'T FUCKING KNOW But we're also all willing to give credit where credit is due and OBVIOUSLY this has made the REAL community happy, and sly ALSO knows that. If he was gonna get his face torn off it would have happened by now but clearly the dude works his own website. Why is that troll you quoted still in this thread? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 now Rainbow mix is showing even when hiding shovelware when its nothing more than a 1min Plat that BadDriver can make a stupid youtube video about . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Briste Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 As a person that doesn't do a ton of research into new games outside of this site, I can say a big thank you for this change. Trophy hunting is my hobby, not my job, and I can't tell you how many times I used to see interesting games on the 'New Trophy List' section that caught my eye and I ended up buying/playing. I had honestly stopped even looking at it when I visited the site because of all of the flooded stacks of obvious shovelware that I never am going to play. It didn't hurt me too much since my backlog is enormous...but it was disappointing to see. To each their own though, and if playing those things is your bag, then more power to you...the good news is that even with this change you will still be able to find and play those trophy poppers quite easily. For those like me, thank you @Sly Ripper for making the change. Thank you @MMDE for not giving up on making a meaningful change for the betterment of the overall community and thank you to all the other mods who will be putting this in action. It's a happy day to see change. My two cents on the leaderboards...I personally don't care all that much about them. Having said that, I don't really think new trophy boards are necessarily needed. I wouldn't mind seeing filters on this one as I would be interested in seeing comparisons to those with similar gaming habits. Filter by genre, rarity, developer, whatever. The music industry had this problem and just made more boards. The Hot 100 is still the Hot 100, but you can look for top Alternative, Country, or Hip Hop artist separately and do not have to worry about your favorite genre of music being obscured by stuff you're not interested in. Again, it's not perfect, but if you're interest in rarity, I don't see the harm in being able to have a filter that filters out Plats that have a certain percentage. If you want to see who the top RPG fans are, I don't see the harm in having a filter that pulls in games with that tag. Keep the leaderboards as they are, but allow people to filter it based on their interest. Having said all that...I'm a dude that plays games and have no idea how feasible any of this would be. I'll leave that to the people who know what they're doing and enjoy the ride. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianSwordsman Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 It feels so naked without seeing 4 stacks of jumping fast food item on the main page. I kinda miss it already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maintzz Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, MMDE said: ^ Sly just pushed this change out btw. https://psnprofiles.com/games I'am a bit late to the party but: EDIT: Weird, my attached image is not included in my post. Nevermind I solved it lol. Edited October 21, 2022 by Maintzz 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumperklever Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Infected Elite said: now Rainbow mix is showing even when hiding shovelware when its nothing more than a 1min Plat that BadDriver can make a stupid youtube video about . The GIT needs to manually select the shovelware games. Since it is removed now, the idea was to label this game as shovelware (cuz it is), but the GIT didnt came around to doing it yet. Unfortunately this is still a thing that will exist in the future, but it's better to have it up for 30 minutes then up for forever imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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