Atlus Is Under Attack By SJW's Trying To Force Them To Change Content In "Catherine: Full Body"

[Valtekken173]

1 minute ago, madbuk said:

The way that trans people are portrayed. I haven't looked too deep into it because of spoilers, but most people I know seem to agree it's quite bad. So perhaps I'm wrong about it being legit criticism, but we both know that they'll be attacked with the SJW tag either way.

That's not the issue. The issue is in an ending, so yes it's spoiler territory, but it isn't about portrayal, not by a long shot.

[Priere]

I personally don't think Atlus would redo stuff for people who will not even play it regardless. This is supposed to be a better, enhanced version of Catherine, Atlus would want a death wish to their company if they make people say "why would i buy this game if the original was not censored to please SJWs", so it's probably not going to happen.

 

Also this is an enhanced version of an old game, SJWs should have sat there and ate their food silently when they saw that Atlus didn't change a thing in the original, but obviously that wasn't the case. I believe in justified rights but SJWs should really focus on more important matters than a game that has 3 animated women in it.

 

I just hope that they do Rin justice cuz i wanna see more representation in other great games too

Edited February 25, 2019 by YaoiGod

[visighost]

Reading Polygon, I haven’t found anything clamoring for censorship of the game... They actually loved it? Or have I missed something?

 

Also, do people believe that because Japan’s culture is generally homo- and transphobic, this is not offensive and should be preserved in foreign ports? (Genuine question)

[RevengeancePrime]

Atlus should not yield to these NPCs. All they do is get offended by everything and they'll never be satisfied. What people offended by this need to understand is that countries like Japan do not give a damn about a lot of "issues" in the West and that's how it should be. I'd rather not see Japanese developers start going down the same road as Western developers like Ubisoft.

[MMDE]

4 minutes ago, visighost said:

Also, do people believe that because Japan’s culture is generally homo- and transphobic, this is not offensive and should be preserved in foreign ports? (Genuine question)

 

 

Edited February 25, 2019 by MMDE

[Cassylvania]

Well, this looks like good publicity for Atlus. I'll be purchasing my pre-order of Catherine shortly.

[ProfBambam55]

7 minutes ago, skateak said:

I think the main issue for them is that it is characterized as the Good/True ending. I guess there is another scene

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where someone that looks like a girl turns out to be pant-less in a scene and has a dick and the main character looks surprised by this (as anyone would based on the initial appearance, especially in the real world) therefore that is a negative stereotype. Even though the 'girl' character in question is actually an Alien.

 

I see, thanks...i'm going to have to stand this one out as a "no comment" then out of a certain ignorance on the topic and lack of opinion...personally, I don't find it offensive but have also not played the game so can't really comment...best to leave it to those who feel impacted by the situation to sort it out...

[panikooooos]

This thinking is just amazing ? "We'll outlaw any negative opinion or negative portrayal about our group, oh man that will sure make people love us instead". These people who keep preaching about how they're all about "equality" and "social freedom" are all authoritarians at heart, they want absolute control, they would make thought crimes a real thing if they could, do not be mistaken. Even if a dev does hate transsexuals and does portray them negatively in his game, so what? It's his right to do so, don't buy the game if you don't like it. This leftist virus has infiltrated every medium and it does not seem to be going away anytime soon sadly.

[TJ_Solo]

1 minute ago, ObliviousSenpai said:

Atlus should not yield to these NPCs. All they do is get offended by everything and they'll never be satisfied. What people offended by this need to understand is that countries like Japan do not give a damn about a lot of "issues" in the West and that's how it should be. I'd rather not see Japanese developers start going down the same road as Western developers like Ubisoft.

 

They don't seem any more phobic in their media than the West.  Tyler Perry, Will and Grace, etc lots of comic relief. 

[AnimatedAmateur]

On 2/24/2019 at 4:43 PM, madbuk said:

The way that trans people are portrayed. I haven't looked too deep into it because of spoilers, but most people I know seem to agree it's quite bad. So perhaps I'm wrong about it being legit criticism, but we both know that they'll be attacked with the SJW tag either way.

Well people are diverse both in personalities and thoughts/opinions so it stands to reason not everyone in the trans community, people who support the trans community or people not involved with the trans community would have a the same outlook on this situation. Case in point I have 2 trans friends one is not happy with the original intent and so will not be buying it at release and the other thinks it is interesting and loved the original when it came out but guess what we are all still pals since friendship is more important to us then companies with different artistic visions. Plus, the one against it is still going to play it just by borrowing a copy from one of us so even she is giving it a chance she is not going out of her way to shut it down or force them to alter it. Also, you say the way trans people are portrayed but how can you know the majority of the trans community is offended or not offended by this game? And even if the majority were offended then just do not buy it.  

 

And as we have established SJW is not an attack it is a term that people of that political outlook call themselves. Plus, if a person just comes and calls someone a SJW and that is all their argument is then that just hurts their position; make your argument better and point out how their argument is flawed. However, from what I have seen most people that call others or policies SJW-esque usually have follow up points and examples of why that is the case. Of course I have seen people just throw out names but they at least from what I have seen are in the minority and again that hurts their position and plus this is the Internet it comes with the territory.   

Edited February 28, 2019 by AnimatedAmateur

[Parker]

10 minutes ago, madbuk said:

The way that trans people are portrayed.

 

Trans people or a trans person? If the trans character is this game is a piece of shit person that doesn't mean that all trans people are shitheads and it certainly doesn't make the game "transphobic." If the developers make the claim that all trans people are like that, then it is a different story.

 

I think a lot of people (not saying this applies to you, just a general thought) are under the impression that if a minority character is a bad person, it reflects the entire community when that simply isn't the case. I would like to know what the controversial content in this game is so I can form a more informed opinion, though. 

 

 

Parker

[Gamer-Girl-Noire]

47 minutes ago, skateak said:

Holy hyperbole. You ruin your point by acting like there aren't any protections for trans people. Leading people that are actually willing to engage in a dialog think you are just irrational. 

yet alot of trans people are attacked still for being trans be it verbal, physical or even killed over it. so yeah i would say we're pretty much on the low end of being seen as people.

 

there's also cases of doctors being trans-phobic and not actually giving trans people the right help like referring them to a gender clinic so you can get specialised help and even those places can treat us like scum of the earth. 

 

trans people really don't wanna be demonized more thanwe already are or god forbid create more of those fetishists out there.

 

[Priere]

4 minutes ago, Parker said:

 

Trans people or a trans person? If the trans character is this game is a piece of shit person that doesn't mean that all trans people are shitheads and it certainly doesn't make the game "transphobic." If the developers make the claim that all trans people are like that, then it is a different story.

 

I think a lot of people (not saying this applies to you, just a general thought) are under the impression that if a minority character is a bad person, it reflects the entire community when that simply isn't the case. I would like to know what the controversial content in this game is so I can form a more informed opinion, though. 

 

 

Parker

Sorry to butt in but i think they mean that Vincent's negative reaction is what spurred all of this. I have yet to play the game to justify this madness but as long as they get along together in the end, it could actually mean that Vincent learned from his mistakes and was more accepting.

Edited February 25, 2019 by YaoiGod

[Vampirehunter145]

?People in the West first world countries don't have anything better to do than whining about a single scene incluiding an specific video game character?  ?You don't like it?: Don't buy the game but making this niusance look like an urgent social emergency makes you look like a poor excuse of a buffoon. I won't ask you about your emtional maturity to overcome mental issues because i think daddy and mommy did a terrible job on you.

Edited February 25, 2019 by Vampirehunter145

[Parker]

Just now, YaoiGod said:

Sorry to but in but i think they mean that Vincent's negative reaction is what spurred all of this. I have yet to play the game to justify this madness but as long as they get together in the end, it could actually mean that Vincent learned from his mistakes and was more accepting.

 

I recall seeing an image where Vincent was sitting crotch level next to someone with a very surprised face, I think was the trans character, right? I don't know the context behind that scene, but if Vincent believed he was courting a woman and when she removed her pants and there is a penis there well... I think that would be a pretty understandable reaction. Certainly not what I would consider transphobic. Hell, even if Vincent himself is transphobic, that doesn't mean he reflects the opinions or views of the developers. To me, it seems like some people are making a big deal out of nothing, but again, I don't have the full view to have an informed opinion right now. 

 

 

Parker

[ItsXaphanex]

I just tend to ignore anything remote to whining or just people complaining over small things in general. If they get their way, so be it.

 

What happens, happens. There's always going to be another game that appeals to my taste.

[visighost]

2 minutes ago, Parker said:

I think a lot of people (not saying this applies to you, just a general thought) are under the impression that if a minority character is a bad person, it reflects the entire community when that simply isn't the case.

 

That’s a good point. I would argue it comes from minority characters being cast in “bad” roles more often than not. Ergo the reaction that may appear kneejerk or overreaction. 

 

In Japanese popular culture, gay and trans characters aren’t usually “bad”, but are usually kept at a distance or are object of disgust when their sexuality is expressed. Maybe if there were more balanced portrayals, that reaction of disgust may be seen as personal and topical, and not a general comment on LGBTQ people at large?

 

Of course, everyone should vote with their wallets. Game makers will adjust the content one way or the other...

[skateak]

Just now, Mikoto_railgun01 said:

yet alot of trans people are attacked still for being trans be it verbal, physical or even killed over it. so yeah i would say we're pretty much on the low end of being seen as people.

 

there's also cases of doctors being trans-phobic and not actually giving trans people the right help like referring them to a gender clinic so you can get specialised help and even those places can treat us like scum of the earth. 

 

trans people really don't wanna be demonized more thanwe already are or god forbid create more of those fetishists out there.

 

yet alot of Christians are attacked still for being Christians be it verbal, physical or even killed over it.

yet alot of Muslims are attacked still for being Muslim be it verbal, physical or even killed over it.

yet alot of Gay people are attacked still for being Gay be it verbal, physical or even killed over it.

yet alot of Jewish people are attacked still for being Jewish be it verbal, physical or even killed over it.

yet alot of MAGA supporters are attacked still for being supporters be it verbal, physical or even threatened to be killed over it.

 

There are injustices all over the world but Trans people aren't demonized anymore than another group, depending on what part of the world you are looking at. I am not trying to be rude about this at all either so please don't take it that way. 

[BlackCatBurrito]

What I find fascinating is Atlus has received no pats on the back for actually including a trans character. If you're trans you're now being represented in a AAA game. Is that not exciting? You don't have to be represented having positive experiences. 

 

The scene people didn't like to begin with is one that, fits perfectly into real life. If I took a woman home & she had a penis I would be shocked. A lot of trans people believe they don't have to tell a potential partner if they were formerly the other sex. If you still have the opposite parts though, you can't possibly expect any other reaction. I know who is in the wrong in that scenario. 

 

Also if you think a few people having a cry can't get a game changed you're very wrong, it's happening constantly. Not that I care either way. 

Edited February 25, 2019 by BlackCatBurrito

[Mendant909]

25 minutes ago, Parker said:

 

I recall seeing an image where Vincent was sitting crotch level next to someone with a very surprised face, I think was the trans character, right? I don't know the context behind that scene, but if Vincent believed he was courting a woman and when she removed her pants and there is a penis there well... I think that would be a pretty understandable reaction. Certainly not what I would consider transphobic. Hell, even if Vincent himself is transphobic, that doesn't mean he reflects the opinions or views of the developers. To me, it seems like some people are making a big deal out of nothing, but again, I don't have the full view to have an informed opinion right now. 

 

 

Parker

This is correct and was part of the initial controversy as it was translated as Vincent physically assaulting Rin in rejection, but there's a video that shows the rejection more of a slap to the hand. I was hoping the shock face would be for something stupid like she didn't trim, or the Clerks 2 route of the vagina being big and making Vincent's tag partner look small in comparison. As for why Fin is like this, it's because she's 

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an angel/alien. I haven't looked further into that as it sounds dumb and I want to see that ending to see it's clarification.

 

In regards to the remake's new Catherine true ending, there's spoilers so I'll be talking about them to the best of my knowledge.

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The shitstorm revolves around the character of Erica. In the original game she was a male friend of Vincent's group that had a sex change sometime after high school. Erica was treated as a punchline for Toby losing his virginity and this was in Katherine's true ending. In the remake Catherine time travels to the high school days and now she gets a wedding similar to Katherine from her true ending. The vitriol comes from seemingly Catherine time traveling to make Vincent and the group's lives better, but that's not confirmed due to the translation issues. There's video that people can see that Erica is Eric, meaning that he didn't go with the sex change. People thought that perhaps this wedding happened before the sex change, but nope Toby's there and he's the baby of the group, so it's present time.The thing that missed me off was seeing Katherine with Paul instead of Jonathan as that's even worse than the ending to Digimon Adventure 02 in regards to shipping couples. Paul better have a damn good reason for being with her as he was a nobody in the original and he was already in a relationship with a different woman.

 

 

[Mercenary09]

I hope Atlus doesn't change a thing. I'm tired of people in the US and such crying about crap like this. Keep doing you Atlus.

[ShadowStar83x]

We just can't have nice things! 

[Beyondthegrave07]

If I was dating someone and they took off their pants and whipped out a penis, I'd be shocked too. I'd slap her hand and leave her too. That's an honest reaction. If that's what they're upset about, that's petty. I would like to know how they would react in the same situation.

 

Honestly, I thought they'd be more upset at the fact that Erica is not human but is an angel/alien. But, whatever. People get upset about anything these days.

[DEI2EK]

1 hour ago, skateak said:

I think the main issue for them is that it is characterized as the Good/True ending. I guess there is another scene

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where someone that looks like a girl turns out to be pant-less in a scene and has a dick and the main character looks surprised by this (as anyone would based on the initial appearance, especially in the real world) therefore that is a negative stereotype. Even though the 'girl' character in question is actually an Alien.

 

Rin doesn’t have a dick I can assure you

 

[LucianaRosethorn]

People are getting upset about a game they haven't even played, it kinda makes all arguments pointless unless they have experience with it. 

 

And so what if the game does have transphobia? I certainly don't agree with people who are but games have always been sexist, racist and homophobic. It's why older games you could just sit back and laugh at it because no one took it seriously, nowadays there's far too many snowflakes that think everything has to be none offensive meaning when there is something offensive it's such a big news. GTA has a very big history of being offensive but no one cares because its what they've always done and is far too popular for SJW to even attempt to change, plus RockStar don't care.

 

People really need to learn that if a game does upset you then it's not attacking anyone directly, it's just for the game. Unless it's clear that it was only put in to purely attack a group then complain but don't get upset just because it offended you, the world doesn't need to change just to make you happy about something which doesn't even matter. 

Edited February 25, 2019 by LucianaRosethorn