SITE RULES FOR FLAGGING/BANNING

[Rellite]

I would like to dispute the fact that I have been flagged without prior warning. Additionally there is nowhere on the main page that illustrates gameplay etiquette, ie. what is considered cheating and what is not. PSNProfiles is a trophy and game statistic community that helps users connect with eachother and help earn trophies. If boosting is not considered a method of cheating, what would you consider to be cheating? Manipulating save files, hacking consoles, etc. People tell me this is common sense and can be argued either way, but I would prefer not to argue and refer to the 10 commandments of PSNProfiles. If there is not a rules page, then how am I to know if I am in violation of the rules? I should not have to resort to browsing a forum and ask for someones opinion on the do's and don'ts because again, this could just be that individual user's personal opinion, and not representative of the main page as a whole.

 

A moderator closed my previous topic, so I would prefer that this remains open until there are rules put in place. 

Thank you,

Rellite

[stellanovas]

As someone who is new-ish to the forums and only found out the extent of save files being considered cheating by taking it upon myself to read several flagged game disputes out of interest, I agree. I think it would be a good idea to sticky a post in the forums with details for future new members. 

 

(Not that I would use a save file, but just for someone who is new to the forums, hasn't read game disputes and is generally nonethewiser ^^)

Edited May 18, 2017 by ahoyimzoe

[Maitre]

I do agree that clearing rôles for White constitutes cheating would help thé moderators job.

 

It should also include. Procedures on How tout report cheats. How to Know which trophies got reported. What constitutes proofs of innocence and thé procédure to contest à flaged trophy.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Maitre

[damon8r351]

I want to add, or amplify, that there needs to be a single point for forum rules, game sessions rules, things that will get you flagged on the leaderboards, rules for writing guides, and terms of use regarding ownership of your content (videos, guides, etc) should at a later date you want these things removed. Basically every rule that's enforced on all aspects of this site, in a single spot, linked at the top of the screen in the same menu bar as the Guides/Leaderboard/Gaming Sessions/etc, so that it's visible to everyone, including those who never visit the forum. Make this a stickied forum post if need be, but have the link to it visible and easily accessible everywhere on the site, not just the forum. It's been repeatedly demonstrated not everyone goes to the forum. Make every new member have to click a checkbox noting they understand the rules before they can proceed into the site for the first time, and make existing users do the same the first time they log in after the rule page is created. I realize that there's no reason to expect anyone to actually read it, but now there will be no way anyone can say they didn't know because they can't find them. Common sense is not common, don't leave the rules you're going to enforce to common sense. Put them in a clearly visible area in one single spot, and hold people accountable when they break them. Reiterate the specific ones in their applicable areas all you like (i.e. forum rules in the forum), but all of them need to be in one spot for ease of accessibility.

 

And no, "I'd rather work on something else" and a quick lock is not an acceptable response to this. I want a hard, valid reason why this can't be implemented.

Edited May 18, 2017 by damon8r351

[hore]

On 5/18/2017 at 7:15 PM, Rellite said:

Additionally there is nowhere on the main page that illustrates gameplay etiquette, ie. what is considered cheating and what is not. If boosting is not considered a method of cheating, what would you consider to be cheating? Manipulating save files, hacking consoles, etc.

 

Everything can be considered cheating if the mob mentality is strong enough. And unluckily for us, PSNP thrives off the mob mentality.

 

You will get flagged if 1 COD WAW trophy didn't pop when it should've.

You will get flagged if you happen to be skilled enough to do the first COD Classic mission without getting hit.

You will get flagged if trophies pop 1-2 minutes later than they should've. Not sure why? Faulty PS3 or glitchy game? Who cares – go fuck yourself, cheater.

Hell, you'll even get flagged if you get the Your Worst Nightmare trophy in Ratchet: Nexus  before you beat the game – something that is VERY doable.

 

PSNP is a joke and the leaderboards mean absolutely nothing. Take it in stride and just go to another tracking site.

 

 

EDIT: Sick censorship, Parker. You were supposed to be the objective adult of PSNP, but it's very childish to delete my ad-hominem post (and giving WP) while keeping the guy's that I was replying to in the first place. 

For posterity: http://i.imgur.com/9yxKqPe.png

Edited May 20, 2017 by Thropy_Hore

[MesopithecusUK]

I've been looking at other tracking websites recently and they have more clearly defined rules that are in one singular place (they also have more decorum in how they handle flagging and disputes but that's another matter entirely)

 

There definitely needs to be something here to explicitly explain what is allowed and what is not allowed.

 

And before the "WAH! But it's common sense comments"  you realize not microwaving animals is common sense, yet we still have to put that in the instructions manual for a microwave oven 

 

Maybe someone like @BlindMango could assist with drafting up a set of rules.  After all he did a pretty good job of rewriting the dispute forum rules (for what it's worth)

[Rellite]

3 minutes ago, Thropy_Hore said:

 

Everything can be considered cheating if the mob mentality is strong enough. And unluckily for us, PSNP thrives off the mob mentality.

 

You will get flagged if 1 COD WAW trophy didn't pop when it should've.

You will get flagged if you happen to be skilled enough to do the first COD Classic mission without getting hit.

You will get flagged if your trophies pop 1-2 minutes apart. Not sure why? Faulty PS3 or glitchy game? Who cares – go fuck yourself, cheater.

 

PSNP is a joke and the leaderboards mean absolutely nothing. Take it in stride and just go to another tracking site.

 

Exactly why I would like to have rules put in place, this way there is one place to refer to the 10 commandments rather than argue with 10 different gods claiming to be the real messiah.

Rules page please. 

Thank you,

Rellite

[Super-Fly Spider-Guy]

I second this bitch.

 

And also that it should be innocent until PROVEN guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. There's too many people lately getting CoD trophies and shit popped by other people in the lobbies and being stuck with it. You can't tell someone that removing your entire account and needing to back up all your saves and potentially even redownload all your games just so you can sign in without having those trophies is a viable option. It's crazy and way more effort than it's worth, if you wanna do that then fine, but it's not a solution and it's a crock of shit. I know there's no way to prove that that's what happened to you and that you didn't hack it yourself, so what I would propose is that everybody gets one (http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/09/09477172619189fbe2b0a74b603e17b99a5b0024c33ccdc336f0b4da5130bb76.jpg) chance. If Black Ops 2 gets fucked up by someone else, well, that sucks. You're cool, you can still be on the leaderboards and not be flagged and all that. Oh, you also got Modern Warfare 2 fucked up? Well, shit, guess you're flagged if you got no proof like a video of it happening or something. That would be more fair to me, I think. 

 

Dylan, you're just saying that bullshit about a chance to fuck up so you can get your save game bullshit over turned

Literally no. Leave me be as is, I don't care.

 

There are too many genuinely innocent people out there who have been fucked by this shit. I was looking on my mate's profile on my PS4 the other week and he plays for fun, he mostly plays like GTA and CoD and that's it, not much. Which is why I was surprised to see he nearly had Black Ops 2 100%. I looked in the list and they were all popped within a minute or two of eachother and I realized he must have got fucked on by a lobby. Now, he doesn't care about trophies or anything, so this doesn't affect him in even the slightest, but there are people who are incredibly proud of their trophy count and would be devastated if they were labelled a cheater because some fucker in their lobby was screwing with the game. They deserve a chance. There should be a list made up of games that this happens in often, like those 2 or 3 Call of Duty games, and of games like LittleBigPlanet and other games where you can use your save files to instapop, and everybody should get one chance. If it happens twice with no proof, well, that fucking sucks but you can't say you weren't given a chance.

Here, for reference, here's the friend in question. He's never been on this site before, and I assume never any other trophy site out there. I just added him, so he can't be flagged or anything just yet. And yet, give it time, there will be a flag on the way for his Black Ops 2 trophies, of which he had no say in the popping of.

I forgot to link him, here https://psnprofiles.com/Timoko_15

[Sergen]

I'll say in regards to autopopped trophies like COD WAW and Black Ops 2, where the hackers unlock the trophies for people. The people can be technically flagged, but it's not a flag that gets them removed from the leaderboards, it's just the points for Black Ops 2 or whatever game it happened on shouldn't count towards your leaderboard rank and you shouldn't count towards the rarity of Black Ops 2, I'm saying this because for some people it's not good for them to have to hide trophies in any case. Whenever I see someone with more than 50 hidden trophies, I'm always thinking "that person is probably hiding a hacked trophy list" but that might not always be the case. I'll say this, it's gonna be impossible for every person that got Black Ops 2 hacked for them in a public lobby to get flagged, so I think the cheater team should just take a passive approach to that game. Hacked lobbies on that game occur faster than the people can get flagged, just look at the recent achievers list for Big Leagues that trophy became unobtainable in December 2015 but the 50th latest achiever on the list is in July 2016... I think at least for Black Ops 2's sake, getting Big Leagues should be white-listed if every other trophy is in order and that trophy in particular should be treated as a glitched trophy. If you don't need to mod your own console to get the trophies or mod your save data, it shouldn't be flagged as cheating because you played by Sony's rules. I would have given some of you people reputation on this thread for what you've said, but I've exceeded my daily limit, why did there have to be a limit in the first place? Lol.

[Azaan60]

2 minutes ago, Super-Fly Spider-Guy said:

I second this bitch.

 

And also that it should be innocent until PROVEN guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. There's too many people lately getting CoD trophies and shit popped by other people in the lobbies and being stuck with it. You can't tell someone that removing your entire account and needing to back up all your saves and potentially even redownload all your games just so you can sign in without having those trophies is a viable option. It's crazy and way more effort than it's worth, if you wanna do that then fine, but it's not a solution and it's a crock of shit. I know there's no way to prove that that's what happened to you and that you didn't hack it yourself, so what I would propose is that everybody gets one (http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/09/09477172619189fbe2b0a74b603e17b99a5b0024c33ccdc336f0b4da5130bb76.jpg) chance. If Black Ops 2 gets fucked up by someone else, well, that sucks. You're cool, you can still be on the leaderboards and not be flagged and all that. Oh, you also got Modern Warfare 2 fucked up? Well, shit, guess you're flagged if you got no proof like a video of it happening or something. That would be more fair to me, I think. 

 

Dylan, you're just saying that bullshit about a chance to fuck up so you can get your save game bullshit over turned

Literally no. Leave me be as is, I don't care.

 

There are too many genuinely innocent people out there who have been fucked by this shit. I was looking on my mate's profile on my PS4 the other week and he plays for fun, he mostly plays like GTA and CoD and that's it, not much. Which is why I was surprised to see he nearly had Black Ops 2 100%. I looked in the list and they were all popped within a minute or two of eachother and I realized he must have got fucked on by a lobby. Now, he doesn't care about trophies or anything, so this doesn't affect him in even the slightest, but there are people who are incredibly proud of their trophy count and would be devastated if they were labelled a cheater because some fucker in their lobby was screwing with the game. They deserve a chance. There should be a list made up of games that this happens in often, like those 2 or 3 Call of Duty games, and of games like LittleBigPlanet and other games where you can use your save files to instapop, and everybody should get one chance. If it happens twice with no proof, well, that fucking sucks but you can't say you weren't given a chance.

But then that will fuck over everyone else. All those people who worked hard to get fastest or first 100% will get fucked over by hackers who can claim someone else popped their trophies. The leaderboards for those games will become practically useless. Defeating the whole point. 

 

When someone gets flagged they're not being flagged for being a cheater, they're being flagged for having illegitimate time stamps that would fuck up the leaderboards. I agree that there should be a list of rules that should clarify this. 

 

There's already a three strike rule before someone gets removed from leaderboards for situations just like this. 

[Bullstomp]

7 minutes ago, Azaan60 said:

But then that will fuck over everyone else. All those people who worked hard to get fastest or first 100% will get fucked over by hackers who can claim someone else popped their trophies. The leaderboards for those games will become practically useless. Defeating the whole point. 

 

When someone gets flagged they're not being flagged for being a cheater, they're being flagged for having illegitimate time stamps that would fuck up the leaderboards. I agree that there should be a list of rules that should clarify this. 

 

There's already a three strike rule before someone gets removed from leaderboards for situations just like this. 

I don't think I could have said this better so I'll just say " ^^^^This"

[Shadiochao]

1 minute ago, Super-Fly Spider-Guy said:

I second this bitch.

 

And also that it should be innocent until PROVEN guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

 

The thing is about flagging is that it's not about whether you've cheated or not. It's whether an account has timestamps that would be impossible to earn through normal gameplay. If somebody's trophies have been forcefully unlocked during a multiplayer game, they may very well be innocent of cheating, but they're still guilty of having unusual timestamps. The dispute forum's main purpose is for the community to work out if a set of timestamps could actually be possible, not necessarily to point out the ones who have used hacks because it's not always relevant.

 

This also means players who haven't cheated may be getting their trophies removed from the site, but it's because their trophies are indistinguishable from those that have been intentionally cheated. It's unfair on them, but if exceptions were being made for people who say they used one of their own save files or were unlocked in a hacked multiplayer game, then we may as well not have any sort of flagging system because most people would be able to claim that.

 

I do agree that there should be more information given as to why people have been getting flagged. Almost all the disputes I have seen so far were from people who used save files and were confused about what had happened to them.

[Dragon-Archon]

40 minutes ago, Thropy_Hore said:

Everything can be considered cheating if the mob mentality is strong enough. And unluckily for us, PSNP thrives off the mob mentality.

Not exactly, PSNP follows Sony's rules about what's considered cheating. Though members can report others and yeah, the flag dispute threads do not depict the best side of the community.

[acasser]

43 minutes ago, Super-Fly Spider-Guy said:

And also that it should be innocent until PROVEN guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the process require one of the admins to go through a flag report and confirm that it looks fishy and the supplied reasons for the flag are confirmed BEFORE the flag sticks and the whole appeals process gets to start?  Sure, the burden of proof for this step might not be as high as some people would like, but it's not quite as easy as someone filing a report and "bam!" the flag is there without further action being necessary.

[DaivRules]

1 minute ago, acasser said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the process require one of the admins to go through a flag report and confirm that it looks fishy and the supplied reasons for the flag are confirmed BEFORE the flag sticks and the whole appeals process gets to start? 

 

We don't know for sure if that's how it works. We can only assume until there are rules posted for such a process.

[BlindMango]

4 minutes ago, acasser said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the process require one of the admins to go through a flag report and confirm that it looks fishy and the supplied reasons for the flag are confirmed BEFORE the flag sticks and the whole appeals process gets to start?  Sure, the burden of proof for this step might not be as high as some people would like, but it's not quite as easy as someone filing a report and "bam!" the flag is there without further action being necessary.

 

This is correct

 

1 hour ago, Rach said:

Maybe someone like @BlindMango could assist with drafting up a set of rules.  After all he did a pretty good job of rewriting the dispute forum rules (for what it's worth)

 

I may do something like this, maybe add a second post to that Dispute Rules & Format thread. In the meantime maybe you guys can make some bullet points in this thread of stuff considered cheating you think I may forget. I'm not quite a great an expert with disputes as some of you are!

[MMDE]

10 hours ago, Ms Serzilla said:

I'll say in regards to autopopped trophies like COD WAW and Black Ops 2, where the hackers unlock the trophies for people.

 

EDIT: I'm mixing CoD WaW with Classic. ;D Sorry about that!

 

CoD WaW isn't like that AFAIK, it's a game with a save file without the usual encryption. People could just download a file and put it inside a folder you already had a copy of a save from that game in, and then just transfer it to your console and use it as normal. Do correct me if I'm wrong about this. This is the case with some few early games. Games like Fuel, FIFA 09, CoD WaW etc, I think LBP2 may have been such a case too, but the three first are very known for this because they had difficult trophies. FIFA 09 and Fuel had trophies that quickly became unobtainable due to the servers going down. CoD WaW had the difficult Veteran playthrough, which doesn't play like the other CoD games due to non-regenerating health etc. Obviously, if I get anything wrong about this, it is because I've not played any of these games or done any of this.

 

EDIT:

SOCOM is another known example, where the online went down.

Edited May 19, 2017 by MMDE

[NathanielJohn]

In response to BlindMango (sorry, forgot to quote), here is the list of things I can remember that the community seems to have decided upon.

 

Things that are flaggable here (please do not use the term "cheating" when describing these rules):

• Using someone else's save file.
• Using your own save file without syncing your trophies in order to earn trophies in an order that is not possible, or in rapid succession that is not possible, through normal gameplay. For example, you may not earn all trophies on PS3, avoid syncing trophies, and then load the save file on another PS3 in order to auto-pop trophies with close together timestamps.
• Any usage of custom firmware whatsoever.
• A hacker unlocking your trophies for you (even without your consent) in an online game. This is particularly common in Call of Duty games. If this happens to you, follow the instructions in <link to that other thread>.

Things that are not flaggable:

• Boosting trophies (i.e. playing online with other people in non-standard ways specifically to unlock trophies for each other).
• Having someone play games and unlock trophies for you via SharePlay.
• Multiple people playing on the same account (i.e., trophy teams).
• Auto-popping trophies in games that have a built-in function that permits this via an in-game cross-save function. Examples of games with such a function include Sound Shapes, Sly 4, Motorstorm RC, and Final Fantasy 14.
• Using turbo controllers/rubber bands/other physical modifications to make unlocking trophies easier.
• Using in-game glitches of any kind to unlock trophies.
• Backing up your save file and re-loading it in order to earn "choice" trophies (e.g., to quickly get trophies for 2 different endings in a game) or to make games easier (e.g., to save yourself in games with permadeath).

Edited May 19, 2017 by NathanielJohn

[AJ_Radio]

This thread blew up in a hurry. 

 

As this thread is trending on the forum politics, I have little to say since I don't dabble with it. 

 

1 hour ago, Thropy_Hore said:

 

Everything can be considered cheating if the mob mentality is strong enough. And unluckily for us, PSNP thrives off the mob mentality.

 

You will get flagged if 1 COD WAW trophy didn't pop when it should've.

You will get flagged if you happen to be skilled enough to do the first COD Classic mission without getting hit.

You will get flagged if trophies pop 1-2 minutes later than they should've. Not sure why? Faulty PS3 or glitchy game? Who cares – go fuck yourself, cheater.

Hell, you'll even get flagged if you get the Your Worst Nightmare trophy in Ratchet: Nexus  before you beat the game – something that is VERY doable.

 

PSNP is a joke and the leaderboards mean absolutely nothing. Take it in stride and just go to another tracking site.

 

This is coming from a guy with a platinum in Super Meat Boy. 

 

That sucks big time man. Hope you get your issues sorted out.

[MMDE]

2 hours ago, damon8r351 said:

Common sense is not common, don't leave the rules you're going to enforce to common sense.

 

Which brings me to this point. In the case of downloading saves and using them, this is usually okay by Sony's rules, but do know that there's an encryption on most of the saves. Even when there's no encryption, you still have to make some manipulation by adding the actual payload file in a folder that has the game id and your id and stuff, not entirely sure, because again, I don't do this.

 

Anyway, as I said, it is okay to download saves and use them. But, doing so will not earn you any trophies, because the system will know it wasn't your save, so it will disable the trophies. For encrypted games there was some early workarounds, like I read about one game that had a trophy patch, you could basically add the save before updating the game, and the save would be recognized by the system as yours.  

 

So how do people use them to earn trophies? Well, they decrypt them, resign them to your own user, and then encrypt them again. This is against Sony's rules. It is pretty common sense that this is not acceptable.

 

I know downloaded or edited save files usage isn't probably what you refer to here. More than likely you refer to the abuse of your own save files to earn trophies out of order or in impossible order etc. There's generally very little reason why you'd delete earned trophies, just to use your backed up saves to earn them out of order or too fast, other than to mess with the trophies. Here's the question, why would we want these trophies on the leaderboards? Isn't it the site's privilege to decide what we want on the leaderboards or not? Allowing it has negative consequences such as making it near impossible to tell who actually earns trophies using CFW or downloaded or edited save files, so we'd almost be promoting it, and the leaderboards would have a lot more of it.  Another negative consequence would be that to even get into the leaderboards, you'd have to do shit like earning all your trophies on an offline console, making sure to backup saves right before each trophy, and then using these saves on another console, or delete your local account without synching the trophies and then re-earning them quickly using the save files. Do we want this? Do you think this isn't abusing the trophy system?

 

Also, I know you've recently been taking a "stance" against boosting, because you want to be a rebellion or whatever (idc). I just want to say that I see it no different than taking advantage of an in-game glitch, which I don't think I've heard much of the community as a whole take a distance from either.  

 

As for having the rules written down. I'm all for it. I've never argued against it. What I have argued for is that it never was okay, and everyone who has done it in the past isn't magically going to be "okay". This goes for PS4 and Vita too. And when people start using CFW and whatnot to pop PS4 trophies, they can easily pop them for earlier times too, and so that won't be some kind of free zone. I know people already hack PS4 and Vita trophies, and it's silly we can't report them yet. It's just it doesn't happen on a large enough scale yet.

 

 

EDIT:

If you're worried you'll get flagged or whatever for trophies out of order or using save files and whatnot. Synch your trophies as soon as you earn them. You won't have any issues then, unless the trophies you synch are trophies you or someone else have hacked, downloaded or edited saves etc (stuff that you very much understand isn't okay).

Edited May 19, 2017 by MMDE

[Rellite]

13 minutes ago, MMDE said:

 

Which brings me to this point. In the case of downloading saves and using them, this is usually okay by Sony's rules, but do know that there's an encryption on most of the saves. Even when there's no encryption, you still have to make some manipulation by adding the actual payload file in a folder that has the game id and your id and stuff, not entirely sure, because again, I don't do this.

 

Anyway, as I said, it is okay to download saves and use them. But, doing so will not earn you any trophies, because the system will know it wasn't your save, so it will disable the trophies. For encrypted games there was some early workarounds, like I read about one game that had a trophy patch, you could basically add the save before updating the game, and the save would be recognized by the system as yours.  

 

So how do people use them to earn trophies? Well, they decrypt them, resign them to your own user, and then encrypt them again. This is against Sony's rules. It is pretty common sense that this is not acceptable.

 

I know downloaded or edited save files usage isn't probably what you refer to here. More than likely you refer to the abuse of your own save files to earn trophies out of order or in impossible order etc. There's generally very little reason why you'd delete earned trophies, just to use your backed up saves to earn them out of order or too fast, other than to mess with the trophies. Here's the question, why would we want these trophies on the leaderboards? Isn't it the site's privilege to decide what we want on the leaderboards or not? Allowing it has negative consequences such as making it near impossible to tell who actually earns trophies using CFW or downloaded or edited save files, so we'd almost be promoting it, and the leaderboards would have a lot more of it.  Another negative consequence would be that to even get into the leaderboards, you'd have to do shit like earning all your trophies on an offline console, making sure to backup saves right before each trophy, and then using these saves on another console, or delete your local account without synching the trophies and then re-earning them quickly using the save files. Do we want this? Do you think this isn't abusing the trophy system?

 

Also, I know you've recently been taking a "stance" against boosting, because you want to be a rebellion or whatever (idc). I just want to say that I see it no different than taking advantage of an in-game glitch, which I don't think I've heard much of the community as a whole take a distance from either.  

 

As for having the rules written down. I'm all for it. I've never argued against it. What I have argued for is that it never was okay, and everyone who has done it in the past isn't magically going to be "okay". This goes for PS4 and Vita too. And when people start using CFW and whatnot to pop PS4 trophies, they can easily pop them for earlier times too, and so that won't be some kind of free zone. I know people already hack PS4 and Vita trophies, and it's silly we can't report them yet. It's just it doesn't happen on a large enough scale yet.

 

 

EDIT:

If you're worried you'll get flagged or whatever for trophies out of order or using save files and whatnot. Synch your trophies as soon as you earn them. You won't have any issues then, unless the trophies you synch are trophies you or someone else have hacked, downloaded or edited saves etc (stuff that you very much understand isn't okay).

 

If these are the rules of PSNProfiles, then these should be posted on the site.

[Beyondthegrave07]

25 minutes ago, NathanielJohn said:

In response to BlindMango (sorry, forgot to quote), here is the list of things I can remember that the community seems to have decided upon.

 

Things that are flaggable here (please do not use the term "cheating" when describing these rules):

• Using someone else's save file.
• Using your own save file without syncing your trophies in order to earn trophies in an order that is not possible, or in rapid succession that is not possible, through normal gameplay. For example, you may not earn all trophies on PS3, avoid syncing trophies, and then load the save file on another PS3 in order to auto-pop trophies with close together timestamps.
• Any usage of custom firmware whatsoever.
• A hacker unlocking your trophies for you (even without your consent) in an online game. This is particularly common in Call of Duty games. If this happens to you, follow the instructions in <link to that other thread>.

Things that are not flaggable:

• Boosting trophies (i.e. playing online with other people in non-standard ways specifically to unlock trophies for each other).
• Having someone play games and unlock trophies for you via SharePlay.
• Multiple people playing on the same account (i.e., trophy teams).
• Auto-popping trophies in games that have a built-in function that permits this via an in-game cross-save function. Examples of games with such a function include Sound Shapes, Sly 4, Motorstorm RC, and Final Fantasy 14.
• Using turbo controllers/rubber bands/other physical modifications to make unlocking trophies easier.
• Using in-game glitches of any kind to unlock trophies.
• Backing up your save file and re-loading it in order to earn "choice" trophies (e.g., to quickly get trophies for 2 different endings in a game) or to make games easier (e.g., to save yourself in games with permadeath).

It's worth noting that taking advantage of exploits in servers such as Red Dead Redemption is not considered cheating since Rockstar refuses to fix it and is now accepted as part of the multiplayer. You can even find it in several guides online including PSNP

[BlindMango]

Okay it's not done! However here's what I have so far  Feel free to offer ways to improve/change wording, add to it, etc. I'll get back to it when I can and improve with your recommendations!

 

 

[Rellite]

I will consider this a partial success. I would prefer these to be posted on the main page as I have never found the need to browse the forums for rules until after I was flagged, and was not aware that this was a possibility as a member of the site. It would be nice to see these rules and others listed in a disclaimer when creating a login for the site, and additionally mentioned or linked to elsewhere on the main page. Thank you for taking the time and consideration to hear me out, and I do appreciate your efforts.

Thank you,

Rellite

Edited May 19, 2017 by Rellite

[demonoid321]

I really wish they had a system where you can vote on how reliable people are on the boosting page. I've been screwed over too many times by people who don't show up (people not showing up has happened more then people actually showing up for me) and it would be nice to have a star ranking system like: 1 ★ = not reliable 5 ★'s = really reliable. And yeah I know people have real life issues and stuff that may cause people not to show up. But It still would be a nice implement to the site.

 

Edit: Didn't realize that was actually a thing now ?

Edited May 19, 2017 by demonoid321