What's your unpopular opinion about trophies?

[TheWestPT]

Hey guys! Let's share our unpopular opinions about trophies!

Here's mine: The Mein Leben trophy in Wolfenstein 2 is not that hard. It takes a bit of patience and trial and error.

Your turn now!

[GothGirlMaxine]

Thanks to easy platinums and shovelware, bronze trophies are worth more than gold. 

[ThatMuttGuy]

Unattainable trophies are something that trophy hunters need to accept. It sucks, but not everything can be maintained indefinitely if it has online trophies. 

[DdMac679]

That the majority play for the trophy, not the content 

[CelestialRequiem]

Everyone will play games, but not everyone is going to hunt trophies -- so just make the list as challenging and stimulating as possible, while still being organic to the game.

[DrBloodmoney]

Trophy Rarity is a result of a combination of about 30 or 40 different factors…

 

…and difficulty isn’t even in the top 10 most influential of those factors

Edited March 24 by DrBloodmoney

[Suicide_Tortuga]

It's ok for online trophies to go unobtainable. Sometimes you will miss the boat on stuff, you attempt it and move on.

[D-E-U-S-X]

The more trophies per game, the better.

[KenjiCBZ]

Whether a game has a Platinum or not, it's not a big deal.

[yowzagabowza]

Trophies have ruined the way I play games but also have spurred me to play stuff I would have ignored otherwise.

[sepheroithisgod]

DLC trophies that go on for years should be the standard for any live-service game.

[Terra]

The more trophies in a game, the better. 

[Acceptatio]

29 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

…and difficulty isn’t even in the top 10 most influential of those factors

let’s hear the top 10 then.

[yowzagabowza]

11 minutes ago, Acceptatio said:

let’s hear the top 10 then.

Time consuming, collectibles, missables, all endings, no death, no kill, glitched, online ranks, online wins in a row, MP specific like get 8 people in a certain area.

 

I don't know, I'm just spit balling, but those tend to be lower rarity than just "beat the game on hard".

I'm not the one you quoted though, so maybe they have a better answer 

[GothGirlMaxine]

37 minutes ago, KenjiCBZ said:

Whether a game has a Platinum or not, it's not a big deal.

I agree with this wholeheartedly! (I mean, considering some of the plat-less games I have completed, why would I not?)

[SlowQuorex]

1 hour ago, TheWestPT said:

Here's mine: The Mein Leben trophy in Wolfenstein 2 is not that hard.

I share the same opinion, but in general and not just for Wolfenstein specifically (haven't tried it yet). Many people make trophies appear harder than they really are. Pretty often when a game instead of giving you a default easy platinum requires some sweat and persistence, people rate its difficulty extremely high. And when you say something like "this game's difficulty is definitely not 9 or 10, because there are many much harder games (which then would be rated what? 14/10?", people get all offensive. 

[zizimonster]

Trophies can be a...

 

[iriihutoR84]

Unpopular around these parts? You should stop playing the game when the rest of the trophies don't look fun anymore, regardless of your completion percentage in said game. 

[breakXedge]

Games should never have online trophies.

[DrBloodmoney]

47 minutes ago, Acceptatio said:

let’s hear the top 10 then.

They’re up for debate of course, but IMO:

 

1. Overall Quality of the game
2. General Popularity of the game
3. Genre
4. Inclusion in PS+
5. Stacks/ Autopop-abilty
6. presence of glitches/ exploits
7. Length of game/grind
8. online elements
9. missable-ness
10. Existence of guides

[Ekir]

Our trophies for us: (prideful) ah, how much effort and skill they have cost us.
Our trophies in the eyes of others: (concerned) damn, look how much free time that guy has, to waste.

[WiktorM101]

Most lists are boring and bland and people still call then good because they liked the game itself

 

I'm very happy when I see trophies on the list that are more interesting

 

I really liked lists like

Hohokum - trophies have nothing to do with finishing the game or with collectibles (game can have collectibles and not even 1 trophy tied to them, cool)

Just few fun things to do and a challenge 

Good list

It takes two and A way out also have great lists

Most of the trophies you will get doing small things that are not connected with finishing the games.

 

I remember only 1 trophy from whole Assassin's Creed series

Air kill on poisoned guy trophy

 

I would add simple things to the lists like run around an npc in spiderman or follow them for a while

 

Stop at the red light and wait for green light in GTA 

Brake checking police would be fun too

 

Try to shoot/throw something at quest npc's in far cry before accepting a quest

 

Make a symbol with bullets on the wall in CoD

 

Fun, quick things like that would add personality to bland lists

 

My most favourite games have most boring lists you can imagine

 

 

Edited March 24 by WiktorM101

[KenjiCBZ]

7 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

They’re up for debate of course, but IMO:

 

1. Overall Quality of the game
2. General Popularity of the game
3. Genre
4. Inclusion in PS+
5. Stacks/ Autopop-abilty
6. presence of glitches/ exploits
7. Length of game/grind
8. online elements
9. missable-ness
10. Existence of guides

Instead of Ps Plus, we may extend ourselves to the price: even if a game has never been on Ps Plus, but it's often cheap, chances are it would have rarer Trophies than they should be.

 

Either way your points are valid, but I would frankly put difficulty in there as well. It's definitely not the biggest factor when it comes to Trophy rarity as many folks say, but I would never put it out of a Top 10.

14 minutes ago, iriihutoR84 said:

Unpopular around these parts? You should stop playing the game when the rest of the trophies don't look fun anymore, regardless of your completion percentage in said game. 

* evil laugh *

How do you think I got my completion percentage to 98/99%? 😈

Edited March 24 by KenjiCBZ

[JohnCenaSong-]

1 hour ago, TheWestPT said:

The Mein Leben trophy in Wolfenstein 2 is not that hard. It takes a bit of patience and trial and error.

Oddly specific, but I agree. Wolf 2 got a highly inflated reputation and could comfortably be considered one of the easiest so-called '10/10' games out there. But I think this is common in games that are fairly popular in a more mainstream sense because they attract a wider and more casual audience who aren't used to encountering a higher level of difficulty and can be quite reactive to it. A large proportion of popular AAA lists tend to sit around the 3/10 region, it's a shock to the system to folk who typically don't deviate from the large AAA releases.

1 hour ago, ThatMuttGuy said:

Unattainable trophies are something that trophy hunters need to accept. It sucks, but not everything can be maintained indefinitely if it has online trophies. 

55 minutes ago, Suicide_Tortuga said:

It's ok for online trophies to go unobtainable. Sometimes you will miss the boat on stuff, you attempt it and move on.

Very much how I feel with unobtainables, so long as they were obtainable at some point in time otherwise it's incompetence from the part of the developers

 

It is the reality of life, nothing is forever. Did you know that packet of biscuits in your cupboard can't be saved forever? Eventually you gotta eat them or accept that you'll need to throw away some mouldy biscuits. There's a new movie in the cinema? Sure, you can watch it in the future on streaming services or physical but if you want to see it in the cinema guess what it ain't gonna be there forever so either go or accept you'll miss that chance. These are casual everyday examples of realities we seem to have no problem accepting in life but with trophies or online components of videogames it's like some entitlement to expect the world to pause for when you're personally ready to play it. Sometimes you miss the boat, oh well, tough luck.

 

Whilst not unobtainable, I missed the boat on Black Ops 2 zombies DLC easter eggs. Technically I could still do them but realistically everyone else has long moved on and they require 4 players and that's just a reality I have to accept, it's something I never got to experience just like how I never got to see Linkin Park in concert before Chester died. We can't rewind.

1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said:

Trophy Rarity is a result of about a combination of about 30 or 40 different factors…

 

…and difficulty isn’t even in the top 10 most influential of those factors

Surprising no-one who's ever seen me around the site because I've more or less posted this a couple times before myself but... yeah... I totally agree on this one and I hate the elitism surrounding ultra rare trophies. 

 

The majority of exceptionally hard trophies will tend to be ultra rare. This does not mean the majority of ultra rare trophies are exceptionally hard. These kind of stats are rarely reversable, it's like saying something random like 60% of forum members are men, therefore 60% of men are members of this forum  it doesn't work like that though it would be hilarious to see what effect that would have on the site.

 

We can all agree that really hard trophies trend towards being ultra rare or at least close to it but there are numerous other factors which are the reason for a good majority of ultra rare trophies. I mean, I friend of mine has hit 2,000+ specifically avoiding any game above 6/10. I don't know why he's set himself that goal/challenge of getting as many easy ones as he can but... there we are

 

PSNP lists a total of 51,158 ultra rare trophies (yes, that does include 0% unobtainables, can't find a way to easily filter them off) and 3,604 of those are platinums, they certainly ain't all gonna be hard lol, its honestly going to be a minority that are hard with that kind of volume.

46 minutes ago, Acceptatio said:

let’s hear the top 10 then.

I've seen a post elsewhere, I think it was even from Bloodmoney actually which did exactly that, listed a multitude of factors. So, yeah, I've seen a good 10+ reasons other than difficulty that weigh more significantly in rarity to be fair.

56 minutes ago, sepheroithisgod said:

DLC trophies that go on for years should be the standard for any live-service game.

Controversial to some, but absolutely agree on this. I always see complaints any time a game does decide to put a new set of trophies out with new updates (Killing Floor 2 was a fun popcorn game to watch for that). I was admittedly disappointed that games such as Apex never had a trophy for winning with each new legend they added. Obsessive completionism has ruined some people, there's nothing wrong with new trophies for new content.

 

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Okay, now for my entry into this and this is going to almost come across elitist but I want to preface that I do not care what other people do with their time/profiles/trophies and won't judge anyone negatively for this but my unpopular gripe is...

 

Wanting a trophy without doing what the trophy asks, basically every single use of boosting, exploiting etc. I don't see the point of having a badge on your profile saying 'I did this' when you quite literally did not do the thing in the description. 'Beat the game without dying' but you died 100 times reloading cloud saves. I just don't get it personally, I wouldn't want that because I know that factually I did indeed not beat the game without dying. 'Win 50 online matches' but I just traded wins with a friend... So, I never actually won a single online match? Why would I want a badge on my profile saying that I have?

 

And it's not about dishonesty because people will openly admit to how they obtain these trophies, I just personally don't understand why you'd want them though? Especially when there's hundreds of quick easy platinums to get if you just want numbers. I don't see the point in explicitly pursuing something that may be difficult and/or inconvenient but then skipping on the difficult and/or inconvenient parts of the game  just stroke some animals instead, surely?

 

Like I said, no judgement on it but it has been someone in the trophy scene that just always baffles me. I sometimes see it in events that go against the spirit of it. I once saw a difficulty event somewhere and the purpose was to go from 1/10 up to 10/10 doing a game of every number along the way or something and the fact there was dramas about wanting to ban certain games because they have exploits that nerf the difficulty seems odd because surely the spirit of the event is to encourage you to challenge yourself so why would you intentionally enter to pick the easiest games possible to cheese through each number? I don't get it? It wasn't a competitive event IIRC so I didn't understand why someone would try to circumvent the point of it lol.

[Breakingthegreen]

The best kinds of trophies are the ones that teach you about game mechanics. Were you aware that you can place a unpinned grenade in someone's pocket in fallout 4? I didn't until I read the trophy list.

 

And a trophy that mandates a second complete playthrough (like the one in Virginia or New Game+ boss in Persona) is good since it forces people to not rely on a guide on the initial playthrough.