National Football League Thread

[PHIL_DADDY1]

Let's go KC, let's go!!!

[MidnightDragon]

Hell of a game. Could’ve easily gone either way.

[chriee]

I think I won 1st and 4th quarter at work on the Super Bowl board.  I didn't watch a single second of it.

[Grotz99]

Game was kinda boring first 3 quarters but damn the 4th and ot was great to watch. Sad about the outcome but my wife got the ending score square so w.e.

[djb5f]

Same ol Kyle Shanahan and same ol Niners.  Can’t cross the finish line.  

 

Even the Cowboys have won a Super Bowl more recently 😂 

[PHIL_DADDY1]

KC did it!!!

[RadiantFlamberge]

Yes... KC did it! That last pass of the game was amazing. All the way it was anyone's game.

[MidnightDragon]

I thought my sister was going to have an aneurysm those last few minutes.

[NetoStyle]

call me crazy but at this pace I think Mahomes can possibly surpass Tom Brady in number of rings… only time will tell.

 

Congrats to KC! Big game players will always make a difference.

[MidnightDragon]

I live close enough I could go to the parade Wednesday, but will just stay home. I can watch it on TV. Going to be a madhouse.

Edited February 12 by MidnightDragon

[Don_Chipotle]

On 2/11/2024 at 11:09 PM, NetoStyle said:

call me crazy but at this pace I think Mahomes can possibly surpass Tom Brady in number of rings… only time will tell.

 

Congrats to KC! Big game players will always make a difference.

Hope he keeps the mind clear and good health, wonder what changes will come for the next season because competition is good in any sport even when you dont like the team or teams that are in a good moment, it was a good SB in general, congrats to KC fans

[acasser]

On 2/12/2024 at 12:09 AM, NetoStyle said:

call me crazy but at this pace I think Mahomes can possibly surpass Tom Brady in number of rings… only time will tell.

Tom Brady didn't win his 4th title until he was 37, right?  I know the Patriots went a decade without winning the whole thing (2004 - 2014).

 

It's certainly possible that Patrick Mahomes can challenge Brady's marks.  But if he wants that, he probably ought to get some in the next few years before that team gets torn apart by all the usual forces of NFL attrition.  We've seen plenty of really talented quarterbacks succeed early in their career and never get back because the team around them simply wasn't good enough; that's bound to happen to Mahomes sooner or later.

 

I don't think it's crazy.  But I'd bet against it if you obliged me to pick a side, because it's simply so difficult to get to the Super Bowl.  Let alone win it.  And KC has been there four of the last five seasons.

[PerryToxteth]

  Congrats to the NFL for getting their storybook ending. The Wonder Boy leads his team to the game-winning drive. The Princess is in the stands cheering. Only thing missing was the Knight in Shining Armor catching the winning TD. 

Of course, the Pop Tart’s Boy Toy commits insubordination by shoving his head coach, but that gets quickly ignored. And I’m still befuddled by not calling a timeout at the end and saving the clock to get a couple tries. Maybe someone can explain Reid’s logic. 
 

It was obvious what team made the halftime adjustments and what team was scrambling. How many times does Mahomes need to prove to DC’s that it’s a terrible idea to blitz the house at him? Niners kept doing it in those final drives and it was painful to watch. 

 

I feel for Niners fans. They had this one. The Football Gods cursed them with the punt off the ankle. Terrible luck at a crucial moment.  Maybe NFL coaches don’t watch enough of the college game, but getting the ball second in overtime works in your favor bc you know what is needed to continue or win the game. AND, you get an extra down to work with. That is extremely crucial in altering your drive scheme. Four tries every time for a first down. 
 

I had no idea how much impact the Swift/ Kelce season-long tryst has had, until I attended my annual Super Bowl party. The teenage girls that normally sulk in the corner, or never look up from their phone, were absolutely glued to the TV. A bit frustrating having to explain some rules, bc in their minds, KC should’ve never gotten a penalty. Do the Sportsbooks have odds on how long this hookup lasts? God, I hope it’s the under.

Edited February 14 by PerryToxteth

[majob]

For those of you who suspect the league tries to bend things a certain way, it looks like it paid off. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39515554/super-bowl-lviii-sets-tv-ratings-record-1234m-viewers

 

[Don_Chipotle]

Live updates: 1 dead and multiple injured in shooting following Chiefs Super Bowl rally (cnn.com)

 

Hope everything is ok for everyone, sad news, hope we know what and why this happened

[MidnightDragon]

There are no words to describe what happened today. I could say, but this isn’t the place for it. Children are among the ones shot. 😢 

Edited February 14 by MidnightDragon

[Murderer__211]

20 hours ago, PerryToxteth said:

And I’m still befuddled by not calling a timeout at the end and saving the clock to get a couple tries. Maybe someone can explain Reid’s logic. 

 

If you're talking about in overtime, the game would not have ended if time expired and the Chiefs still had the ball. The new overtime rules guarantee a full possession for each team so if time expired, a second overtime period would have started with the Chiefs in the same spot on the other side of the field.

[Conker]

Add lasting 1 year as 49ers dc to Steve Wilks resume as he has been let go https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-part-ways-with-defensive-coordinator-steve-wilks-after-one-season/

 

 

[djb5f]

It seems that our resident 49er fans @Zio_Sam87 and @Matto_lsi conspicuously haven’t weighed in since the Super Bowl.

 

Any thoughts on the game?  What happened?  

 

I thought the 49ers had the better roster and this would finally be their year but you can’t give Mahomes the chance to win at the end.  I don’t like taking the ball first in OT, even in the playoffs.   Knowing what you need is a huge advantage.  
 

 

[Matto_lsi]

4 hours ago, djb5f said:

It seems that our resident 49er fans @Zio_Sam87 and @Matto_lsi conspicuously haven’t weighed in since the Super Bowl.

 

Any thoughts on the game?  What happened?  

 

I thought the 49ers had the better roster and this would finally be their year but you can’t give Mahomes the chance to win at the end.  I don’t like taking the ball first in OT, even in the playoffs.   Knowing what you need is a huge advantage.  
 

 

 

Yeah, it's been hard.  I've wanted to post a few times, but couldn't bring myself to do it.  I still remember that SB 10 years ago, one of my friends, who is somehow a bigger Niners fan than I am, told me the friday before the SB as we were leaving work "Don't worry, the Niners don't lose Super Bowls".  Since then they went from 5-0 and undefeated in SBs to 5-3 and losing 3 in a row.  His words made me more nervous back then, and have stuck with me ever since.

 

So the game... well, it was a game that didn't go our way.  Nothing nefarious, I didn't think the refs blew it, if anything it was just another typical Shanahan SB - finding ways to lose a game you should have won.  The OT rules have been dumb for a long time, and they're now dumber.  OT should never be treated as a new game.  I didn't like letting other teams get the ball after an OT field goal, and I definitely don't like it with a TD.  That said, the rules are how they are, and getting the ball second may be an advantage, but it was the first NFl game played with the new rule, so it is what it is.  But obviously the handful of big mistakes hurt a lot more.  They were moving well on the opening drive until the fumble, which changed momentum entirely.  Also the punt that went off the blocker's leg and led to an easy TD for the Chiefs didn't help matters at all.  They were also lucky that the long completion they allowed in the first half didn't lead to any KC points cause they forced a fumble.  The second half is what I figured it'd be after the way the defense played in the first half.  It reminded me of the second half against the Patriots all those years ago in Foxboro when Kaep was the QB.  A much different score and final outcome, but the Niners were rolling big in that one, something like up 35 points at the half.  Brady came out and made massive adjustments, including changing the tempo of the game, the Niners D got tired and almost gave away the game (while the offense couldn't find a way to score points in the second half, until a late TD put the game away).  Without all the big scores, this game was the same.  Mahomes is good, really good, too good to not constantly be making adjustments on D to match his adjustments.  And when the Niners D got tired late in the game, they couldn't keep up.  Those last 2 Chiefs drives won them the game, and they earned it. I won't say the Niners D gave up, but they definitely ran out of juice.  They just couldn't match the Chiefs offensive intensity that late in the game.  Wilks got blamed for it (and fired), and that's fine, he certainly wasn't Demeco Ryans or Robert Saleh, and his strategy at the end of the game was way too soft.  But blown coverages, blown assignments, and waiting until the 74th minute of the game to forget that Mahomes can run with the ball was what gave up the TD in OT.  Bosa played nearly perfect contain on Mahomes the whole game, until he didn't.  Warner was all over Kelce... until he wasn't (and part of that I think is Greenlaw hurting himself in the most ridiculous way imaginable, leading to a rotation of back-up LBs who weren't up to the task rotating in and out around Warner).  But part of that was Mahomes and Reid.  They did what they had to do when it mattered most.  Meanwhile, Shanahan had the same dumbass look on his face that he did when the Chiefs destroyed us in the 4th quarter of the SB 4 years ago, and when he watched the Patriots bamboozle their way to a victory over the Falcons a couple years before that.  He gets praised so much for his offensive scheming, but never any of the blame when the team sputters and loses, and he's been the one consistency in all those 4th quarter/OT SB losses.  Also - fun fact - only 2 SBs ever went to OT and he lost in both of them.  Btw, the Niners offensive scheming, especially their elaborate run game, was there long before Shanahan.  Harbaugh was running those same plays over 10 years ago.  We have a better RB now, but had a better O-line then.  Either way, its the same kind of strategy.  I've never understood why he gets credited for it like running plays with pulling guards is his creation or something.

 

Anyway... I think this year was the Niners shot.  If they'd won this year, they may have come back strong next year and had another good year and who knows.  But losing this one, the 3rd one in 10 years, and the second one to the Chiefs, I just don't see them coming back as strong next year.  It was a miracle CMC didn't get hurt this year... well, bad enough to miss any real time.  He has a longer laundry list of injuries than Jimmy G.  He's a warrior, and the best RB I've seen in a Niners uniform in a long time.  But he's always had trouble remaining healthy.  So we'll see what happens next year.  Samuel was hurt a lot this year too, and playing injured in the SB.  Plus guys waited until the SB to drop like flies.  Not sure what happened, but I saw more injuries on Sunday than I've seen the whole year, and that's saying something with this group.  My understanding is that cap space will be an issue next year when BA renegotiates his contract.  They may lose some key guys in the off-season.  And next year is Purdy's last before someone pays him.  And if the Niners offer him a monster contract like they did for both Kaep and Jimmy G, say good-bye to half the other talent on the team who they will no longer be able to pay.  But who nows.  Maybe for the first time in team history they won't prioritize defensive picks in the draft and will actually go out and get a couple good O-linemen who will actually block for Purdy so he doesn't get decapitated when they play strong, blitzing defenses... ha, yea right!  Their first pick of the draft will be another edge rusher or LB.

 

Oh yeah, last thing, I can never watch another Chiefs game again.  I got nothing against that one guy's gf, but every time they showed her and her army of random morons in their $3 million dollar luxury booth, I wanted to puke.  Though to be fair, they only showed her when the Chiefs were doing well, so I can watch any Chiefs game where they suck, but holy crap is it nauseating to see the camera pan to her over-cheering every time they do anything productive.  I know this is live sports and not a movie (or is it...?), but its so immersion breaking that I almost forget what just happened on the field.  Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll break up before the regular season starts again in the fall.

Edited February 16 by Matto_lsi

[djb5f]

Nice reply.  I think SF will be right back in the mix next year, but I’m sure the path won’t be as friendly (home games against Packers/Lions).  So yeah, it will be tougher but I definitely think the window is still open.  And this Niner roster is more likable than a lot of ones in the past.  Some of those 90’s teams were the worst lol.

 

Got to tip my hat to Mahomes/Reid.  Their offense was so far from vintage Chiefs offenses but they found a way each time in the playoffs.  Reminiscent of Brady, just finding a way.

 

I don’t mind the Taylor Swift reaction shots BUT it’s only fair to include ones after the Chiefs mess up or Kelce drops a pass or fumbles.  Would have loved to see her reaction when Kelce nearly bowled Reid over!  Missed opportunity.  
 

It reminds of all the Ford Field shots of happy Lion fans in the first half of the NFC championship.  But not a single shot of sad/angry Lions fans during the colossal meltdown.  C’mon now!  it’s got to go both ways. 

[Zio_Sam87]

16 hours ago, djb5f said:

It seems that our resident 49er fans @Zio_Sam87 and @Matto_lsi conspicuously haven’t weighed in since the Super Bowl.

 

Any thoughts on the game?  What happened?  

 

I thought the 49ers had the better roster and this would finally be their year but you can’t give Mahomes the chance to win at the end.  I don’t like taking the ball first in OT, even in the playoffs.   Knowing what you need is a huge advantage.  
 

 

Hi man, don't know if you remember but I'm not in the USA, I'm from Italy. Long story short, was 5:30AM when all finished, a mix of angry and sadness because it's the third time now (I follow NFL since the Harbaugh era) and I really thought this was the year.

Then I work when you guys sleep, and sleep when you post or are awake so I tend to forget to check the forum.

Anyway, the game... Was clearly worried when we stopped PM for nearly an half but can't put points on the board... Both D were outstanding considering no receivers were doing thing (even Kelce was a non factor). Then Greenlaw went down in the worst way possible and oh boy, the difference he and Warner can make on the field: Kelce feasted in the middle with the backups.

Then what I think was the real difference between W and L: not the QBs but the fact that one team has a premium DC and the other an idiot. How in the hell do you throw a blitz at Mahomes with everything on the line?!? I'm dead sure that with Saleh or DeMeco the game would end in the regulation.

Adds that SF historically did not have a decent OLine and you're served, Jones (the real MVP no matter what) saved his team twice from an easy TD.

Don't want to discuss the coin toss thing, I think it's all BS going first or second, Mahomes would have scored a TD in both cases with that poor play calling from Wilks. I'm glad he's gone.

 

Now I really hope the draft will focus on that damn OLine because Aiyuk apart, the entire gang is still there next year and despite the short cap space there's plenty of opportunities next year.

[skidmarkgn]

Been seeing a lot of "Russ is, was, and always will be an overrated bum" articles out there since he was released and it's kind of pissing me off.  I'm not saying he didn't benefit from right place/right time because, who doesn't?  You show mw any of the all-time greats and I'll show you the support they had to help them achieve what they achieved.  I'm saying the hate he's getting is ridiculous.

I get it that Russ is a weird guy who eventually fell into the "diva/brand" trap but in his early years he was pretty amazing.  Don't know if it's more East coast ignorance or just good 'ol gotta get 'dem clicks "journalism" but everyone is seeming to forget that it was a pretty regular occurrence for Russ to will Seattle to a win using his insane scrambling skills and pin-point long-ball accuracy.  Watch any highlight reel of his and it'll be full of him getting .0001 seconds of protection before having to scramble around, evading 3 or 4 unblocked lineman, followed by throwing a ball 40 yards across his body into a window only his receiver could catch (back me up here Matto, his scrambling had to have driven you crazy more than once).  This bandwagon hate train is stupid and *now that Seattle doesn't benefit from his failure anymore* I really hope he lands on a team where he can thrive.

 

[Zio_Sam87]

10 hours ago, skidmarkgn said:

Been seeing a lot of "Russ is, was, and always will be an overrated bum" articles out there since he was released and it's kind of pissing me off.  I'm not saying he didn't benefit from right place/right time because, who doesn't?  You show mw any of the all-time greats and I'll show you the support they had to help them achieve what they achieved.  I'm saying the hate he's getting is ridiculous.

I get it that Russ is a weird guy who eventually fell into the "diva/brand" trap but in his early years he was pretty amazing.  Don't know if it's more East coast ignorance or just good 'ol gotta get 'dem clicks "journalism" but everyone is seeming to forget that it was a pretty regular occurrence for Russ to will Seattle to a win using his insane scrambling skills and pin-point long-ball accuracy.  Watch any highlight reel of his and it'll be full of him getting .0001 seconds of protection before having to scramble around, evading 3 or 4 unblocked lineman, followed by throwing a ball 40 yards across his body into a window only his receiver could catch (back me up here Matto, his scrambling had to have driven you crazy more than once).  This bandwagon hate train is stupid and *now that Seattle doesn't benefit from his failure anymore* I really hope he lands on a team where he can thrive.

 

 

He won a ring, almost won a second one and during the too much long "we have a garbage qb" stretch everytime we played each other I was like "why did they have Russ and always find a way to score?".

Journalism is the new cancer of the world.

[D-Square23]

On 2/15/2024 at 8:23 PM, Matto_lsi said:

 

Yeah, it's been hard.  I've wanted to post a few times, but couldn't bring myself to do it.  I still remember that SB 10 years ago, one of my friends, who is somehow a bigger Niners fan than I am, told me the friday before the SB as we were leaving work "Don't worry, the Niners don't lose Super Bowls".  Since then they went from 5-0 and undefeated in SBs to 5-3 and losing 3 in a row.  His words made me more nervous back then, and have stuck with me ever since.

 

So the game... well, it was a game that didn't go our way.  Nothing nefarious, I didn't think the refs blew it, if anything it was just another typical Shanahan SB - finding ways to lose a game you should have won.  The OT rules have been dumb for a long time, and they're now dumber.  OT should never be treated as a new game.  I didn't like letting other teams get the ball after an OT field goal, and I definitely don't like it with a TD.  That said, the rules are how they are, and getting the ball second may be an advantage, but it was the first NFl game played with the new rule, so it is what it is.  But obviously the handful of big mistakes hurt a lot more.  They were moving well on the opening drive until the fumble, which changed momentum entirely.  Also the punt that went off the blocker's leg and led to an easy TD for the Chiefs didn't help matters at all.  They were also lucky that the long completion they allowed in the first half didn't lead to any KC points cause they forced a fumble.  The second half is what I figured it'd be after the way the defense played in the first half.  It reminded me of the second half against the Patriots all those years ago in Foxboro when Kaep was the QB.  A much different score and final outcome, but the Niners were rolling big in that one, something like up 35 points at the half.  Brady came out and made massive adjustments, including changing the tempo of the game, the Niners D got tired and almost gave away the game (while the offense couldn't find a way to score points in the second half, until a late TD put the game away).  Without all the big scores, this game was the same.  Mahomes is good, really good, too good to not constantly be making adjustments on D to match his adjustments.  And when the Niners D got tired late in the game, they couldn't keep up.  Those last 2 Chiefs drives won them the game, and they earned it. I won't say the Niners D gave up, but they definitely ran out of juice.  They just couldn't match the Chiefs offensive intensity that late in the game.  Wilks got blamed for it (and fired), and that's fine, he certainly wasn't Demeco Ryans or Robert Saleh, and his strategy at the end of the game was way too soft.  But blown coverages, blown assignments, and waiting until the 74th minute of the game to forget that Mahomes can run with the ball was what gave up the TD in OT.  Bosa played nearly perfect contain on Mahomes the whole game, until he didn't.  Warner was all over Kelce... until he wasn't (and part of that I think is Greenlaw hurting himself in the most ridiculous way imaginable, leading to a rotation of back-up LBs who weren't up to the task rotating in and out around Warner).  But part of that was Mahomes and Reid.  They did what they had to do when it mattered most.  Meanwhile, Shanahan had the same dumbass look on his face that he did when the Chiefs destroyed us in the 4th quarter of the SB 4 years ago, and when he watched the Patriots bamboozle their way to a victory over the Falcons a couple years before that.  He gets praised so much for his offensive scheming, but never any of the blame when the team sputters and loses, and he's been the one consistency in all those 4th quarter/OT SB losses.  Also - fun fact - only 2 SBs ever went to OT and he lost in both of them.  Btw, the Niners offensive scheming, especially their elaborate run game, was there long before Shanahan.  Harbaugh was running those same plays over 10 years ago.  We have a better RB now, but had a better O-line then.  Either way, its the same kind of strategy.  I've never understood why he gets credited for it like running plays with pulling guards is his creation or something.

 

Anyway... I think this year was the Niners shot.  If they'd won this year, they may have come back strong next year and had another good year and who knows.  But losing this one, the 3rd one in 10 years, and the second one to the Chiefs, I just don't see them coming back as strong next year.  It was a miracle CMC didn't get hurt this year... well, bad enough to miss any real time.  He has a longer laundry list of injuries than Jimmy G.  He's a warrior, and the best RB I've seen in a Niners uniform in a long time.  But he's always had trouble remaining healthy.  So we'll see what happens next year.  Samuel was hurt a lot this year too, and playing injured in the SB.  Plus guys waited until the SB to drop like flies.  Not sure what happened, but I saw more injuries on Sunday than I've seen the whole year, and that's saying something with this group.  My understanding is that cap space will be an issue next year when BA renegotiates his contract.  They may lose some key guys in the off-season.  And next year is Purdy's last before someone pays him.  And if the Niners offer him a monster contract like they did for both Kaep and Jimmy G, say good-bye to half the other talent on the team who they will no longer be able to pay.  But who nows.  Maybe for the first time in team history they won't prioritize defensive picks in the draft and will actually go out and get a couple good O-linemen who will actually block for Purdy so he doesn't get decapitated when they play strong, blitzing defenses... ha, yea right!  Their first pick of the draft will be another edge rusher or LB.

 

Oh yeah, last thing, I can never watch another Chiefs game again.  I got nothing against that one guy's gf, but every time they showed her and her army of random morons in their $3 million dollar luxury booth, I wanted to puke.  Though to be fair, they only showed her when the Chiefs were doing well, so I can watch any Chiefs game where they suck, but holy crap is it nauseating to see the camera pan to her over-cheering every time they do anything productive.  I know this is live sports and not a movie (or is it...?), but its so immersion breaking that I almost forget what just happened on the field.  Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll break up before the regular season starts again in the fall.

I was discussing the game with a buddy recently and something kind of dawned on me. Kyle Shanahan feels like the NEW Andy Reid (The Philly Era), Where he's a stud when it comes to offensive schemes and plays but can't get over the hump and makes bad decisions in big moments. So I pose the same question to you that I did to my buddy. Do you think Kyle can get it done somehow or is it going to take his 2nd Head Coaching gig on a different squad for him to figure it out?

17 hours ago, skidmarkgn said:

Been seeing a lot of "Russ is, was, and always will be an overrated bum" articles out there since he was released and it's kind of pissing me off.  I'm not saying he didn't benefit from right place/right time because, who doesn't?  You show mw any of the all-time greats and I'll show you the support they had to help them achieve what they achieved.  I'm saying the hate he's getting is ridiculous.

I get it that Russ is a weird guy who eventually fell into the "diva/brand" trap but in his early years he was pretty amazing.  Don't know if it's more East coast ignorance or just good 'ol gotta get 'dem clicks "journalism" but everyone is seeming to forget that it was a pretty regular occurrence for Russ to will Seattle to a win using his insane scrambling skills and pin-point long-ball accuracy.  Watch any highlight reel of his and it'll be full of him getting .0001 seconds of protection before having to scramble around, evading 3 or 4 unblocked lineman, followed by throwing a ball 40 yards across his body into a window only his receiver could catch (back me up here Matto, his scrambling had to have driven you crazy more than once).  This bandwagon hate train is stupid and *now that Seattle doesn't benefit from his failure anymore* I really hope he lands on a team where he can thrive.

 

I try to refrain from personal shots at a player I don't even know, but he did seem kinda strange. Regardless, that first year in Denver I remember talking to my Dad about it as we witnessed it, and as Chiefs fans we were glad Denver was losing (because division rivals) but we were shocked how bad he was really playing. I think my father said, "Russell is playing his way OUT of the hall of fame.... what is going on here!?" We were just kinda stunned by how bad he was. This most recent year it seems he figured out how to get back to decent status and I am sure he will probably start somewhere else that is QB starved. But his time in Seattle he was a stud! So I don't think he is out of the Hall of Fame anymore. If he had a repeat year from that first year in Denver I think I would consider him OFF the ballot. I hope he finds success elsewhere. Kinda feel bad for him cuz it seems that Sean Payton wanted to cut him the moment he came into the building.