Can we all agree this game is still a classic and better than Part II?

[ViperLance34]

Yes.

[Lordidude]

Why do you care about some trolls' invalid opinions?

 

The game is great but whether or not it's better than another game can't be determined yet.

It needs time so we can re-evaluate it.

[YonahFuriae]

15 minutes ago, Breadd_93 said:

For me Part II was the better game. Don't get me wrong, the first game is truly sublime and crafts a relationship with characters in a video game like pretty much no other game in history. However, I managed to completely avoid spoilers for 2 and found myself on a rollercoaster.

 

I hated Abby within the first few hours and felt the game could have ended midway through when she storms the theater. The fact that you are then forced to perceive the world through her eyes for another 10 hours was in my opinion some of the best scripting in gaming history.

 

By the final showdown, I too felt weary and ultimately didn't even want Abby to suffer. She'd already suffered way more than Ellie and Joel.

 

Let's be honest people, the apocalypse will not be kind.

 

It was amazing reading this, I've made an answer like this somewhere in the forum too but didn't read anyone feeling the same. It's great to see both of us that we came to the game blind felt exactly the same. To the most minimal detail. Yes, it was an emotional rollercoaster, and I too thought the game would end by the time Abby storms in the theater, maybe one of the reasons I felt this was because I explored every inch and by that point maybe I had like 15-20h. And then suddenly you play as Abby, which for the first minutes I hated, yet it wasn't long until I fell for her.

 

For me they broke every narrative rule to surprise us time and time again, people complaining it's too long probably can't grasp that was also part of it's great narrative resources. Even in the epilogue they got me, I totally thought it would end there, especially after seeing Ellie expression at the idea of going after Abby when first mentioned to her. It was the epilogue, it was over, this time for real. And then again you play with Abby, and then once more with Ellie. I'm so glad I came blind so ND could manipulate my emotions as they desired, it's really one of the best experiences I've ever had. They're masters of the narrative that keep evolving after each title, it's sad to see people mistake one of these great narrative resources as "being too long".

 

I hope more people could have played it without any spoiler as that is key for this game narrative to work, or without being already stained by others opinions.

Edited July 29, 2020 by YonahFuriae

[Deadsh0tdoubleG]

Since you say game, Part II was by far better than the first game. Everything that TLOU did, like the shooting, the stealth, the (mediocre) AI etc., TLOUP2 did it much much better. Level design was also better.

 

Story is another topic and entirely subjective. Personally, I found it equally fascinating and I cannot put one over the other. 

[jonesey46]

51 minutes ago, YonahFuriae said:

 

If you mean about Joel's death, we knew it would -and had- to happen if there was a sequel, in fact the twist in the first one was that both of them survived, magistrally making an even bitter ending as if any of them died the way things turned out.

So if we all agree he had to die, the only thing we can argue is the timing, which for me it was shocking due to not expecting it so soon, and that's why I think it made total sense to do it right at the begining, as everyone knew Joel had to pay for his selfishness and actions, we expected his fate, but probably we'd expect it by the end of the game, and maybe another great move by them was showing Joel in the trailers, making people think he has a major role -at least I've read he appeared a lot in the trailers after I beat the game and looked at people poor arguments against the game-, so yeah, without knowing anything about what was going on in the media until after I beat it, minutes or maybe a few hours after the initial shock I understood that was the only and best way of doing it, to have a bigger emotional impact and shock, as the game strikes you before you have time to even think.

No, I didn't mean Joel's death. Perhaps I was too vague there.

 

I meant the violence was too much to handle at some points, it was so visceral that I actually felt dirty at certain points and I know that's what they were going for but I feel the same effect could have been achieved with the violence dialed back a little.

 

I also felt the sex scene was unnecessary, or at least the amount of detail we got. They could have cut to black and everyone would have gotten the idea.

 

I probably sound like a massive fucking conservative prude but I stand by it. I love violence and sex as much as the next person but some of it didn't sit right with me here.

 

I do agree with you about Joel's death btw. When it happened I was shocked even though I saw it coming, and I felt it was the only way to get people invested in the long journey ahead.

[Ekir]

They improved the gameplay and graphics, and the story ... well they took a really different approach with the sequel, that's one of the main reasons is disliked by so many.

 

TLOU1 shows us an action hero, Joel, and the apocalypsis here is mostly a secondary actor/villain that is constantly losing against the main characters.

 

Now, TLOU2 totally changes that perspective. Joel loses his action hero status. The apocalypsis now feels like a real apocalypsis, bravery is not that heavily awarded, and main characters are way more vulnerable and fragile.

 

We went from the MC of Mad Max or Hokuto no Ken, a bad ass that can chew gun and kill Satan (if he had to), to the MCs of The Road or many other apocalyptic movies where you don't know who's going to die. From a middle aged Nathan Drake in the apocalypsis, to a Yoko Taro product where the characters are miserable and don't act with a black/white approach to life.

 

I can understand the people being disgusted with the change. TLOU2 is a misery porn product. Happiness can happen, sure, but with a world that has gone shit, and population gone ballistic, don't expect to have a long life in such environment. Tragedy is everywhere, and happy endings are scarce.

 

I found the change refreshing, and TLOU2's story way more compelling. Always thought the first part played it too safe.

[Mayellie]

To me, it's almost like comparing apples and oranges. Sure, both fruit, but very different.

 

I found Part 1 to be a "heartwarming" kind of emotional, where you see Joel and Ellie's bond flourish throughout the game. They kinda hate each other first, and by the end, they're inseparable. Another heartwarming moment is the giraffe scene we all know and love, in addition to Joel comforting Ellie at the end of the Winter/David section. It was wonderful to see them come such a long way (literally and figuratively). In Part 1, I would stop and admire the peace and quiet of some sections, Ellie's lighthearted jokes, and the scenery.

 

Part 2 is still very emotional, but in a completely different way. Rather than in a touching way, it's full of hate, fury, and the need for vengeance. Part 2 is gut-wrenching, harsh, unforgiving, dark, and mature. Both games perfectly execute the story based on their respective themes and tones, in my opinion. Unlike admiring the quiet sections of the first game, all I could think about in Part 2 was that this wasn't just "quiet". It was the calm before the storm. So, I can't compare them too much. They're so different, but also so similar.

 

But if I had to pick, it'd be Part 2, over and over. It's a masterpiece.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Mayellie

[Herbset]

The Last of Us is among my favorite games of all time. I didn't play the second part, I was meaning to buy it, even had the money set aside. But then leaks happened and I be like is that a joke? I got me some new timberlands instead. I saw the game play and I'm disappointed to say the least. I might buy it when it goes on sale, but it would have to be a major discount since I don't see a reason to pay more than 10$ for it. As for now, I'm just gonna pretend the second game didn't happen.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Herbset
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[ShadowReplicant]

The Last of Us was my second favorite game of all time... until I played the sequel. Part II spoke to me in ways I find difficult to explain. It is easily the most emotionally satisfying (and draining) game I have ever played. The first game is an undeniable classic, but if I had to pick, it would be Part II.

[The Alchemist]

I agree that the first game is a classic, it's one of my all time favourite games after all. I disagree that it's better than Part II and that's because I can't definitively say that either game is better than the other. There are things that the first game does better than Part II, there are things that Part II does better than the first game.

 

Instead of the OPs question, how about we all just agree that both games are fantastic in their own way, and you either like them or you don't, and that's fine either way. The toxicity surrounding this game on this site is something astounding, and I just don't see the point in threads like this apart from attempting to fan the flames even further. There's already more than enough threads where you can discuss the merits of the game. 

[Seth_Loyce]

Despite liking the first one more, I LOVE Abby's segment in TLOUpt2

[Quaddo1]

Both games are 10/10 for me.

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

Here's a video for people that want an in-depth comparison of both games.

 

 

 

[trojbrown40]

In the first game, I did my best to never let Joel or Ellie die. In the second game, I killed premeditated murder Abby every chance I got. Probably over 500 times and enjoyed it every time. The first TLOU has a better story, better characters and gave us multiplayer. The second game, we got one of the worst written stories (Joel being dumb, patrolling outside the safety of their walls, Seraphites leaving the protection of their island, Seraphites want to kill Lev over a haircut, Seraphites slip in by use of rooftops and cranes, and pregnant women cleared for active duty) and poorly written characters that no one cared about especially since we played Ellie's part and know they all die anyways. 

 

TLOU2 could have been game of the year, had they just ended it after Ellie's playthrough (Cut out all of Abby's crap except for some flashbacks to establish her motive) and give us multiplayer at launch. Instead, game of the year now goes to Ghost of Tsushima or Cyberpunk 2077 unfortunately. 

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

2 minutes ago, trojbrown40 said:

Instead, game of the year now goes to Ghost of Tsushima or Cyberpunk 2077 unfortunately. 

 

You should probably wait till Cyberpunk 2077 actually comes out, before declaring it game of the year.

[Sydoki]

Can we all agree this game is still a classic and better than Part II?
 

18 hours ago, ARH65512 said:

Now, if you liked the sequel and disagree with me, that's fine. But it couldn't hold a candle to the original. 

At least make up your mind ... but to answer that unnecessary question in this unnecessary thread - no.

[trojbrown40]

14 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

 

You should probably wait till Cyberpunk 2077 actually comes out, before declaring it game of the year.

You should probably change your profile name and profile pic. At least change it to premeditated murder Abby 

Edited July 29, 2020 by trojbrown40

[Conor]

I absolutely loved both of the games, each for their own reasons. Naughty Dog deserves criticism for various reasons outside of the game itself, but I thought Part II was one of the best games of this generation. It's a shame so many toxic imbeciles came crawling out of their gutters to whinge and trade childish insults over a damn game. "SJW garbage, Cuckmann should khs" "You're just a sexist/ homophobe/ idiot if you didn't like this game". Throw 'em all out with the garbage, such misplaced anger betrays far deeper issues. And no, using Metacritic scores or second-week sales figures from countries you never cared about before doesn't serve to validate or prove your opinion "correct", it makes you look even more childish. Like it or hate it, just don't be such a monumental dick to people with differing opinions. A few people whose opinions I respect- both on this site and on YouTube- just didn't like Part II, and I just disagree with them but none of us are toxic about it. There are several toxic "major" YouTubers who only added fuel to the fire for the sake of clicks so they can get in the trash too. Different views and values make for interesting- and, indeed, necessary- conversation if conducted maturely, but sadly- yet predictably- the gaming community showed its ugly side once again. Most of us here are better than that, surely.

 

 

Also:

 

(EDIT: Yes to the first part, of course)

Edited July 31, 2020 by Lan Stee

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

6 minutes ago, trojbrown40 said:

You should probably change your profile name and profile pic. At least change it to premeditated murder Abby 

 

No, thank you.

[Shenka]

18 hours ago, ARH65512 said:

I'm posting here because I feel the Part II forum is toxic right now. I was so disappointed with the sequel. The first game is quite possibly my favorite game of all time (I was always debate with that or Witcher 3) and I'll always cherish no matter what. 

Now, if you liked the sequel and disagree with me, that's fine. But it couldn't hold a candle to the original. 

 

I personally believe Last of Us 2 to be a much better game than the first. The story adds so much that it actually improves the experience of the first one in so many ways. Then the gameplay is just lightyears better than the first. I've been alternating between the two for about two months now and its really obvious when you go back.

 

Again this is my opinion, but I'd be shocked if Naughty Dog ever makes a game better than LoU2

[HoorayForTyler]

A classic indeed. I still play the multiplayer several times a week. And I can’t speak for TLOU 2 because I haven’t finished it yet, but from what I’ve played so far it’s pretty immersive and impressive gameplay wise. I’m not invested in the story just yet to be honest. 

[matigrosso91]

This kind of threads are silly. Yes, the first was, is and always will be a classic... and if you stopped right there, it would be fine. The fact that Part I is a classic doesn't mean it's necessarily better than Part II. It's pretencious said "can we all agree".

People. Can. Like. Different. Things.

 

EDIT: i edit only to say to @Abby_TheLastofUs: hey Abby, i love you. 

Edited July 29, 2020 by matigrosso91

[TJ_Solo]

18 hours ago, ARH65512 said:

I'm posting here because I feel the Part II forum is toxic right now. I was so disappointed with the sequel. The first game is quite possibly my favorite game of all time (I was always debate with that or Witcher 3) and I'll always cherish no matter what. 

Now, if you liked the sequel and disagree with me, that's fine. But it couldn't hold a candle to the original. 

 

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Can we all agree this game is still a classic and better than Part II?

 

 

You seem conflicted. Either you accept differing opinions or do you want everyone to agree with your opinion? 

[Bloodytears1666]

I like the second a little more, but not less for sure. Can't compare, but part II feels like terrified survival horror flagman game of the genre, that really plays on every kind of feelings and psychology possible, and also have much more better combat and overall gameplay design. Plus part II really darker, that what appeals me more. 

 

To me this kind of moves by game developers are making a genre move forward. Back in the day Survival Horror games were more unforgiving than this, and still part II the only one, which holds up with games it was inspired by. Some people just unfortunately get into AAA game, of production to masses, and didn't expected that this game is slightly different than typical everyone pleased story. Look at the history of a genre, how many doubtful characters we got there and deaths that were shock. If you feel sensitive, than don't take sensitive content, if you do, express yourself freely, hate or love, grief or happiness what ever it should be. Not every game is suppose to be "good".

[LoveInHell]

There is no debate. The Witcher 3, HANDS DOWN!