Popular Post Psy-Tychist Posted January 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) RPG Mania has become such a success, that it's becoming the popular new thing for the cool kids. Or just those that like RPG's. Like @kingofbattle8174. As there was such an overwhelming amount wanting to join last time, signups will be until the 10th of February, with no limit on the amount of competitors. The Start Date will be Feb 1st UTC Time and will run until next Jan 31st 11:59PM UTC. Signups begin with the posting of this notice and will run until time is up. I hope to see some of the faces from last year, plus some new blood. Competitors: @Kishnabe @Leon Castle @Warpedsavior @kingofbattle8174 @Mesopithecus @acasser @fisty123 @AlterArchuria @Lord_Bane999 @AppleKratue @Briste @Jens @Kittykat-san @TenebraZero @CaptainMonkster @Laburnski @Ampplaca @Arctic Cress @da_eMTy @Eternal_Rach @willythom88 @xZoneHunter @Lodbizarro @Hisuiryu ... @Psy-Tychist So there has to be some requirements right, So here is what direction I am leaning in. Spoiler 1) Please have at least 6 months forum experience on the current profile you are using. I say this because this is a year long event and having someone drop out because the they get deterred with their account and having to readjust afterwards is not something that I want to deal with. If you are competing, please also be sure you want to commit. 2) To determine what games qualify, it should specify RPG on this site under Genre on this site. There will be instances where some games will have RPG as a genre but have no RPG elements or even actually be an RPG. There will be three websites used to compare between to come to a consensus (PlaystationTrophies.org, PSNProfiles and TrueTrophies). 3) To make a game count, the Platinum trophy is what needs to be achieved. There will be point considerations given for each individual DLC pack completed and 100% games that might not have a Platinum, because they need love too. Child of Light would be a good example for a 100% game and completing any one of the many DLC's for Neverwinter. 4) The scoring system will not be too complicated, because Maths is hard. Points are awarded for completing the games and modifiers will be added to increase or decrease the score based on difficulty, length of time, amount to be completed and infamy. Each month though I will do an audit to make sure everything is adding up right. 5) I am the final decision maker for any disputes or questions, but I am not a tyrant. There are people who will know more about RPG’s than I do, and in these instances I will trust the judgement of the many or of the well informed. 6) Enjoy the games, challenge each other, give each other pointers. If you have any other suggestions or questions please don't hesitate to ask. Scoring Spoiler Platinum scoring would be a base of 100 + trophies earned during competition - Plat rarity - percentage already completed before the event begins. 0-10%: -0 points 11-35%: -10 points 36-60% -15 points 61-80% -20 points 81% + -25 points Bronze = 1pt Silver = 2pts Gold = 6pts Adventures of Mana 100 base score + 62 trophy points - 26.01 completion rarity - 10 completion negation = 125.99 points scored Non Plat scoring base of 75 + trophies earned during competition - completion rarity - percent already completed. DLC will be counted separately from the main game. Each DLC will be counted per trophy that has been earned after the event starts, with each trophy having a flat score per type of trophy. Bronze trophies are worth 1 point, silver trophies are worth 2 points and gold trophies are worth 6 points. Bonuses: There are ways to really gain an edge and yes bonuses are added together to make good combo. Double point game - You are allowed two, and you are allowed one swap of each during the event. Declare them before or on the 1st of Feb. Triple point game - There is one triple point game. Declare it at the same time, it cannot though be in the previous category, and it can be changed once. Most Wanted: I have a list of the most notorious RPG’s around and I’m calling on YOU to help me tame them and lock them up in the vault for good. These games will require lots of effort and time to complete and you should be rewarded for completing these. Each game on this list has a 5x bonus for beating it into submission. These cannot be used as Double or Triple Point Games. Series Stacker: A game in a series of more than 3 games is worth an increasing amount of points with each game you complete in the related series and that counts as an RPG. Example: Kingdom Hearts 1: No bonus Kingdom Hearts 2: 25 point bonus Kingdom Hearts RE: Chain of Memories: 50 point bonus Kingdom Hearts BBS: 75 point bonus Kingdom Hearts 3 100 point bonus Etc until there are no games left that count as RPG’s in that series. New game bonus - 50 point bonus for a new game beaten within 30 days of being released. Speed Run bonus – If completing a game within the top 10% a bonus of 50 points can be added. If there are less than 200 completions of the game in question, for the point bonus to be added, the time must be in the top 25 completions. Call Out Bonus: A competitor will choose a played or unplayed game from your backlog to complete. This will be another x3 opportunity. You may only call out one other person who is competing and only call out games that can be seen on their backlog. Example: Final Fantasy XV = 100 base score + 70 trophy points - 28.16 completion rarity - 0 completion negation = 141.84 points scored * bonuses ( 3 (Triple Point Game) + 3 (Call Out) = 141.84*6 + 50 point speed bonus = 901.04 total points. Other Score FAQ’s Spoiler You cannot receive a negative score. If for some reason your subtractions would make you go below 0, that is where you would stop, but I do not think the situation ever came about last year. There is no stacking in the event. Remasters and games with similar naming conventions (eg. Soul Sacrifice and Soul Sacrifice Delta) which share the same base game with no real difference in gameplay or content, only one can be considered for points. Autopopping games will also score no points. Score Spreadsheet: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AlxWIbnVkK3JhgiO3XWeg2VR35eh?e=cfi9je Most Wanted: Guided Fate Paradox Cross Edge The Elder Scrolls Online Mugen Souls Touhou Genso Wanderer Shiren The Wanderer Disgaea 4 Star Ocean: Til the End of Time Star Ocean: The Last Hope Record of Agarest War Zero Edited April 18, 2023 by Psy-Tychist Finished Event 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kishnabe Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) Interested in Joining. Double Point Game 1: Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth Double Point Game 2: Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth: Hacker's Memory Triple Point Game: Digimon World: Next Order Checklist Before Feb 1st: Spoiler Penny-Punching Princess 94% Spellspire Vita 88% Reverie • NA PS4 46% Natural Doctrine 40 % Shiren The Wanderer 37% The Adventure Pals 36% Dragon Ball Xenoverse 24% God Eater 2: Rage Burst 23% Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth 20% One More Dungeon • NA Vita 20% Gal*Gun Double Peace • NA 20% Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age 17% Steins;Gate • NA 16% Revenant Saga 16% Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters Daybreak: Special Gigs • NA 15% Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention • NA 14% Devious Dungeon 2 • NA PS4 14% The Count Lucanor 12% Doom & Destiny 12% Oceanhorn: Monster of Uncharted Seas 11% Final Fantasy XV • NA 10% Spellspire PS4 10% One More Dungeon PS4 10% SteamWorld Heist 10% Super Cane Magic Zero • EU 8% Mary Skelter: Nightmares • EU 8% Monster Hunter World 8% Toukiden 2 8% Valhalla Knights 3 7% Darkest Dungeon 7% Operation Abyss: New Tokyo Legacy • NA 6% Tales of Symphonia 5% Fallen Legion: Sins of an Empire 5% Knights of Pen and Paper +1 5% Ara Fell: Enhanced Edition 5% Ninjin: Clash of Carrots 5% Dragon Quest Heroes II 5% inFamous 4% Infinite Adventures 4% Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment 4% Dark Souls 4% Edited January 26, 2021 by Kishnabe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Castle Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I like to join this year RPG Mania. My Double point games and Triple point game will be Utawarerumono trilogy(the 1st/Prelude to the Fallen being my Triple point game while the sequels will be my Double point games) Triple point: Utawarerumono: Prelude to the Fallen Double point 1: Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception Double point 2: Utawarerumono: Mask of Truth Also like to mention @TenebraZero that likes to sign up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpedsavior Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I'll join RPGmania this year, here are my double and triple point games: Double 1: Star Ocean 4 The Last Hope Remaster Double 2: Star Ocean: First Departure R Triple: Star Ocean 5: Integrity and Faithlessness 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofbattle8174 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Thanks to @Psy-Tychist for taking on the torch. I look forward to seeing how this year plays out. I am glad that there is still a following that it is going to continue on. I am going to participate. It will be interesting to be on the other side of this. And yes, I do love my RPG's, I always have. From my first one, Dragon Warrior for NES to the latest blockbuster. I think this year I can make some good things happen. I will let you know later what my bonus games are, so many to choose from... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesopithecus Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) I'd like to join up for this please Triple Point Game: Dark Rose Valkyrie Double Point Game 1: God Wars: Future Past Double Point Game 2: Persona 4 Golden I'm just curious if there will be any changes to the point scoring now this is under new ownership? I was thinking about a time modifier, so that longer games (specifically thinking of things like Star Ocean 4) are worth more points. If not it's all cool, but thought I'd throw that suggestion out there. Edited January 11, 2021 by Mesopithecus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofbattle8174 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mesopithecus said: I'm just curious if there will be any changes to the point scoring now this is under new ownership? I was thinking about a time modifier, so that longer games (specifically thinking of things like Star Ocean 4) are worth more points. If not it's all cool, but thought I'd throw that suggestion out there. It is up to the new owner but it was hard to get people to agree last time it was brought up. There were two methods that were brought up. @eigen-space came up with one using the 25th percentile. You'd just look at the number of platinum achievers and do the 25th percentile. So if there are 1000 platinum achievers, you'd look at the time for the 250th fastest time. If there are 2000 achievers, you would use the 500th fastest time. 0-1 Day - x0.11-2 Days - x0.52-7 Days - x17-14 Days - x1.514-30 Days - x230+ Days - x3 or you can set up a tier system that uses a certain hour blocks like 20. It is based of the time found on the guides on an approved site such as PSNP or PST. Those were the thoughts in RPG Mania version 1. but no one could agree so it was left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cckerberos Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mesopithecus said: I'm just curious if there will be any changes to the point scoring now this is under new ownership? I was thinking about a time modifier, so that longer games (specifically thinking of things like Star Ocean 4) are worth more points. If not it's all cool, but thought I'd throw that suggestion out there. Yes, I think the scoring could use some adjustments. Some suggestions: Taking into account length would be nice, although hard to do objectively. My thought (which I haven't really looked into in practice) would be to use the time from a trophy guide (or the "Main + Extra" time listed on https://howlongtobeat.com/ if there's no guide) and award points in 40 hour increments past the first 40 hours. So a game that was 41-79 hours would be +50 points, 80-119 would be +100 points, etc., for example. This would also reduce the big impact DLC has on scores. For the speed bonus, I'd recommend using a flat percentage rather than finishing in the top 25 as this really penalizes those playing games that have been around a while and have been popular. Finishing in the top 25 in Skyrim, for example, means being in the top .07% of times. By comparison, there are lots of less popular games where it's kind of trivial to be in the top 25. The list of Let's Play games is really arbitrary. If there's going to be a bonus to promote those games, I don't think it should be a x2 multiplier (and it definitely shouldn't stack with other multipliers). +50 seems good enough, to be honest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpedsavior Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I’m also in favor of there being a time bonus. Maybe a small multiplier? Like maybe an extra 10-20% points for every time increment? Maybe 15-25 hours increments? It’s just an idea for now. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind at all if the bonuses for Let’s Play games were removed, though I would have no problem at all if they were kept in. Changing the modifier as cckerberos suggested seems like a good idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesopithecus Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Warpedsavior said: Honestly, I wouldn’t mind at all if the bonuses for Let’s Play games were removed, though I would have no problem at all if they were kept in. Changing the modifier as cckerberos suggested seems like a good idea. I agree with this, it seems like a lot of the Let's Play threads are largely inactive with the exception of a small number of people that still post. Looks like the only ones on the first page of the sub-forum are Mugen Souls and Yakuza. As for scoring, I'm happy to use any metric whether it be from the 25th percentile or taking the times from trophy guides/how long to beat. Adding a time bonus only actually occurred to me seeing all your Star Ocean games, as I feel spending 400 hours on that should be worth more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acasser Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I'm up for a second go-round at this competition. Though I'm pretty certain I won't do nearly so well in the sequel: my backlog pile has shrunk by a dramatic amount, and I do want to try and get back to some incomplete (non-RPG) games on my trophy list to try and finish them up. I'll figure out my double and triple score games later, once I have an idea of what I might be playing in the next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpedsavior Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Mesopithecus said: As for scoring, I'm happy to use any metric whether it be from the 25th percentile or taking the times from trophy guides/how long to beat. Adding a time bonus only actually occurred to me seeing all your Star Ocean games, as I feel spending 400 hours on that should be worth more. Yeah, any time bonus would be appreciated. I mean not having a time bonus didn’t stop me from doing Mugen Souls back during the first RPGmania ?, but I feel that longer games should be worth more then shorter games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisty123 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) I'll sign up again. Still have issues with things like Beast mode as that was basically the killer for the previous season but ah well. Let's play bonuses hurt as I've done a lot of them already but I get why they are there. Double point game #1: Ys OriginDouble point game #2: Star Ocean: Integrity and FaithlessnessTriple point game: Conception PLUS: Maidens of the Twelve Stars Edited January 29, 2021 by fisty123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlterArchuria Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I would also like to join again. My Triple Point Game will be Omega Quintet. My Double Point Games will be Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of DANA and Kingdom Hearts 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Bane999 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Couple questions. First is a new release title coming this year allowed for a triple or double point game? Second I noticed that in series samples you had mentioned Warriors (One Piece specifically) and Yakuza series, my question is how far do we take the RPG genre label? If certain games from those series are included would other action-adventure games with skills that can be leveled be included then by proxy? I have a huge backlog of RPGs I'm planning to play this year but wanna just confirm what may make some RPG-Lite titles as an entry. P.S. Thanks for bringing this up again this year I missed out on the deadline for last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cckerberos Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lord_Bane999 said: Second I noticed that in series samples you had mentioned Warriors (One Piece specifically) and Yakuza series, my question is how far do we take the RPG genre label? If certain games from those series are included would other action-adventure games with skills that can be leveled be included then by proxy? You're absolutely right that there's no reason why Yakuza 3 is an RPG yet Yakuza 4 isn't. Or why Ghost of Tsushima isn't an RPG but God of War is. As I understand it, the rationale behind using PSNP's genre labelling was to have an objective, clear-cut list of what did and did not count so as to avoid arguments. I can see the benefit of that, even if it means that some outliers make it in. IMHO, including other games on the basis of having them having leveled skills would stretch an already nebulous genre past the breaking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Bane999 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, cckerberos said: You're absolutely right that there's no reason why Yakuza 3 is an RPG yet Yakuza 4 isn't. Or why Ghost of Tsushima isn't an RPG but God of War is. As I understand it, the rationale behind using PSNP's genre labelling was to have an objective, clear-cut list of what did and did not count so as to avoid arguments. I can see the benefit of that, even if it means that some outliers make it in. IMHO, including other games on the basis of having them having leveled skills would stretch an already nebulous genre past the breaking point. Honestly the only couple games I can think from either series being a RPG is Yakuza Like A Dragon (RPG styles stats and various classes) then One Piece Unlimited World Red and One Piece World Seeker, which depsite having Warriors/Beat'em Up style combat still are made to be more Action RPG in design. Edited January 12, 2021 by Lord_Bane999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppleKratue Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Like to play RPGs, so this seems like a great event to join. Sign me up, please. Triple Point Game: Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories Double Point Game 1: The Legend of Heroes: Sora no Kiseki FC Evolution Double Point Game 2: Demon's Souls (PS3) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlterArchuria Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Gotta say i also agree with cckerberos that the Let's Play multiplier part needs to be toned down since that multiplier combined any of the other ones makes it kinda too much and some games especially ones with DLC which could easily be almost a half to whole game total when multiplied, so it being a fixed number would be a more better solution really then having one game be like 5+ game worth. Not to mention given how some people might have already done the LP games so having it be a fixed number over a multiplier would make the competition a little more competitive since the gap would be smaller making it possible to catch up since nothing is worse then seeing 300+ points done with ease with some of those LP games since its basically a free double multiplier. I'm all in for the time modifier to be in it if possible but also I'm curious how will the call out thing be this time since as we seen with the last event it was done once and then nothing was heard of it again, so will we be doing it again and maybe will a more time based timer to finish the game in question before moving on to the next bracket or just we will remove/change it as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acasser Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 My opinion is that the call-out bonus ought simply to be discarded as left as a one-time idea that was better on the drawing board than in implementation. The people who are most likely to do whatever game is called out for them are probably the same people who already will play a fair number of games and have an advantage that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briste Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I'd like to join! I plan on playing tons of RPG's this year so this'll work out nicely. I have no opinion on the rules and will just have fun racking up points however they come. I've already done the 'Let's play's' of the game series I think I'd play but that's fine. Should have saved my Kingdom Hearts marathon for this year lol however I'm think of trying to tackle the Dragon Age series and also the Soulsbourne series as well. We'll see if I have the stamina for all that or if I mix in some other stuff. Thanks for hosting! I'll make Dragon Age: Origins my triple point game and Dragon Age II and Dragon Age: Inquisition my double point games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Bane999 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, acasser said: My opinion is that the call-out bonus ought simply to be discarded as left as a one-time idea that was better on the drawing board than in implementation. The people who are most likely to do whatever game is called out for them are probably the same people who already will play a fair number of games and have an advantage that way. I agree on this especially since an opponent could callout a game they know they have a time advantage on. Most RPGs are probably around 40-60 hour average completion time. With some games that people I'm seeing people choose already more into the 80-120 hour average due to grinding. Some countries like my own are going into full lockdown again some people are not working others will be still or more then usual. The callout seems nice on paper as mentioned above. But when you factor in these current variables the person calling out would most likely have an advantage as they would probably know exactly how much time they have to complete it fast. While the person getting challenged would now to need reverse throttle to plan out to times to beat it a game they weren't prepping for or worse trying to fit a 100hr game into a couple weeks they may only be able to spend 50hrs at most between the two. Edited January 13, 2021 by Lord_Bane999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cckerberos Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Lord_Bane999 said: The callout seems nice on paper as mentioned above. But when you factor in these current variables the person calling out would most likely have an advantage as they would probably know exactly how much time they have to complete it fast. While the person getting challenged would now to need reverse throttle to plan out to times to beat it a game they weren't prepping for or worse trying to fit a 100hr game into a couple weeks they may only be able to spend 50hrs at most between the two. I think you may be misunderstanding how the callout works. It's just one player challenging another to complete a particular game in their backlog. It isn't a competition between the two people to see who can complete the game first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenebraZero Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) Like @Leon Castle said, i'd like to join the competition. Edited January 14, 2021 by TenebraZero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Bane999 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 17 hours ago, cckerberos said: I think you may be misunderstanding how the callout works. It's just one player challenging another to complete a particular game in their backlog. It isn't a competition between the two people to see who can complete the game first. "Call Out Bonus: A competitor will choose a played or unplayed game from your backlog to complete. This will be another times 3 opportunity. he call out bonus will be assigned by bracket after the 2.0 begins. The two people competing can use each others profile backlog, or trophy checklist if one is available. Completing the game gets a times three bonus added to the game." Idk this makes it seem like a competition. Otherwise how else would you stop another player from claiming the free bonus you give them? It would essentially make a callout have zero reason for use if the challengee player gets a free bonus for completing the game with really no gain by the challenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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