KimBongUn420 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, MMDE said: ^ Sly just pushed this change out btw. https://psnprofiles.com/games Wow this is pretty much exactly what I had asked for. Well done ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HusKy Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, amurnin100 said: Would be good if this filter was on the website homepage too FYI It does run on the frontpage too. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ScintillaWolf Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 Thank god this has finally been introduced. May this hopefully be the start of eradicating this cash grab trend. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel6burgh Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, diskdocx said: If you want to buy 100 asset flip games to equal one normal game, eventually that would seem likely to lose it's charm. I just spent 10 days going for one trophy in Hunter call of the wild. It's 0.76% rarity. In that time some of the top guys has gotten well over 100 platinums. It's what they do everyday I don't think that alone is enough to make it stop. The guy who had the 100 platinums in the time it has taken me to almost finish my trophy didn't even play but a couple hours a day. I put in 6 to 8 hour evenings. If that person wanted to double up they could easily get 200 platinums in that time frame, 100 asset flips to equal on rare probably isn't enough. they take on average about 3 minutes to compete. Oh and by the way the game I'm playing that was just one bronze trophy in one dlc. The game has over 100 trophies including another one that will probably take a week. If you only delvalue the point awarded for shovelware it's likely to make them play more of it not less, which relates to more games from the developers. Edited October 20, 2022 by steel6burgh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinthoras_96 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Great Addition. Just wondering: Which sections are affected by this setting? Does it only affect the game list section or is the Shovelware also hidden on userprofiles and the leaderboards, if the filter is active? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dreggit Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, serrated-banner9 said: heck yeah @BlindMango https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/18785-united-states-capitals-breakthrough-gaming-activity-center https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/18783-united-states-capitals-breakthrough-gaming-activity-center some to start this off throwing this to anyone but thoughts about a thread to report these games? like with updating trophy lists, psnp+ showing unobtainable trophies etc There is no need to tag us on this matter for a a week or so. We already know, generally, what is going to be flagged like @Beyondthegrave07 said. I've already marked some 1650 games already. Please don't pester us about what to flag until after we've already completed our sweep Edited October 20, 2022 by Dreggit update 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ScintillaWolf Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Dreggit said: There is no need to tag us on this matter for a a week or so. We already know, generally, what is going to be flagged like @Beyondthegrave07 said. I've already marked some 800 games already. Please don't pester us about what to flag until after we've already completed our sweep What if we just tag you to commend you as a hero? @Dreggit 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEI2EK Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Haven’t been following this thread very closely but neat, time to start marking stuff as shovelware 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LastMinuteSavior Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, DEI2EK said: time to start marking stuff as shovelware The day has come, finally. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskdocx Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, steel6burgh said: I just spent 10 days going for one trophy in Hunter call of the wild. It's 0.76% rarity. In that time some of the top guys has gotten well over 100 platinums. It's what they do everyday I don't think that alone is enough to make it stop. The guy who had the 100 platinums in the time it has taken me to almost finish my trophy didn't even play but a couple hours a day. I put in 6 to 8 hour evenings. If that person wanted to double up they could easily get 200 platinums in that time frame, 100 asset flips to equal on rare probably isn't enough. they take on average about 3 minutes to compete. Oh and by the way the game I'm playing that was just one bronze trophy in one dlc. The game has over 100 trophies including another one that will probably take a week. If you only delvalue the point awarded for shovelware it's likely to make them play more of it not less, which relates to more games from the developers. I understand what you are saying, but there is a limit to the sheer number of games that are shovelware. It may seem infinite, but it isn't. To use your example, you spent 2 weeks earning 1 trophy, and someone else banged out 100 shovelware plats - if those were worth the same amount of points, then that definitely has an effect. It negates significantly the shovelware value, and it rewards you for your effort. It isn't perfect - and it isn't intended to be. But the above example is obviously the extreme. Most gamers aren't spending 2 weeks routinely on one UR trophy. And most aren't shoveling shit non-stop. For the average gamer, who is somewhere in between the extremes, this significant improves their overall position relative to the spam. Again, a solution that probably doesn't make anyone entirely happy. I've already pointed out some of the challenges with the psn100 approach, and I fundamentally don't agree with eliminating all stacks or valuing some games at zero. I have come around to the idea though, that there may be a solution to significantly temper the current imbalance towards absolute spam Edited October 20, 2022 by diskdocx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBusToYoker Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) So now games can be marked as shovelware, does that mean to properly reflect that all games trophies marked as such are worth zero points on PSNP? Edited October 20, 2022 by AMadScotsGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steel6burgh Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 Wow the new games list looks normal once again!!!!!!!! Great work!!!!!! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobThanatos Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 PSNP is saved! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Alchemist Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 I can't remember the last time the new trophy lists section on the front page looked normal and wasn't full to the brim with "games" that have jumping/turbo/stroke in their titles. Any other day and the lists for MWII and Tales from the Borderlands would be quickly buried and almost certain to go unnoticed. It's beautiful and it's all I, and dare I say, most of us here wanted. Sure, getting rid of these "games" and devs completely is a longer term goal, and one I hope is eventually successful, but for now at least we can all rejoice at this minor victory. I can finally get back to using the new trophy lists section like I used to do before the infestation began. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DEI2EK Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) If you want any sort of update on how bad the shovelware problem is Games tab shovelware off 331 pages shovelware on 364 pages Edited October 20, 2022 by DEI2EK 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanolt Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) So cool to see the trophy list page clean again. Many people like me use it to know whether a new game has released or not. The games used to be a few days in there until dissapearing. Until yesterday it was a matter of the Jumping CEO deciding to release a new game and removing everything from the front page, this is a good change. Edited October 20, 2022 by Jeanoltt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beyondthegrave07 Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Just keep in mind that this is a manual process so it won't look clean 100% of the time. Just be patient and please don't badger us about it. We all have other real world responsibilities and could do without being constantly harassed about the front page. Hasn't happened yet, but I want to set reasonable expectations. We'll do our best though. Edited October 20, 2022 by Beyondthegrave07 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Great change. Glad to see our bickering finally paid off. @DEI2EK Any chance this “shovelware flag” can be used for an adjusted leaderboards or toggle games on a user’s profile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEI2EK Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki said: Great change. Glad to see our bickering finally paid off. @DEI2EK Any chance this “shovelware flag” can be used for an adjusted leaderboards or toggle games on a user’s profile? That’s not something GIT can do, that would have to come from the big man himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janzor88 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, DEI2EK said: If you want any sort of update on how bad the shovelware problem is Games tab shovelware off 331 pages shovelware on 364 pages It's insane that these trash games amount to ~10% of total games in a few years, as trophies have existed for over 14 years in total. Pure comedy when people keep repeating that there are not that many of these "games", while they are overtaking real games in numbers. Another brilliant argument we keep hearing from the developers and people buying this trash is that people should be able to play whatever they want, and therefore we shouldn't change the leaderboard. As if people are prevented from playing this trash just because it's filtered out from the leaderboard. Let's see how many of you keep wasting your time on hundreds of these stacks when your points are not counted. The numbers shouldn't change because you keep arguing that the games are fun, so that should be enough motivation to keep playing them, right? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeepEyes7 Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 StOp MaKiNg ThIs ThReAdS... NoThInG wiLL ChAnGe! 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastMinuteSavior Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, DEI2EK said: ...that would have to come from the big man himself ? ? ? Oh, wait... THE big man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumperklever Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, janzor88 said: It's insane that these trash games amount to ~10% of total games in a few years, as trophies have existed for over 14 years in total. Pure comedy when people keep repeating that there are not that many of these "games", while they are overtaking real games in numbers. Another brilliant argument we keep hearing from the developers and people buying this trash is that people should be able to play whatever they want, and therefore we shouldn't change the leaderboard. As if people are prevented from playing this trash just because it's filtered out from the leaderboard. Let's see how many of you keep wasting your time on hundreds of these stacks when your points are not counted. The numbers shouldn't change because you keep arguing that the games are fun, so that should be enough motivation to keep playing them, right? Not even a few years, I would guess 95% the things we call shovelware is litterally the jumping, animal letter shit, that started happening only at the end of 2021. So in 1 year, they added 10% alone of all games released in 14 years. Its crazy if you put it in numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurnin100 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) @Stevieboy‘s idea of the the big man. Edited October 20, 2022 by amurnin100 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedMaverick Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Awesome news!!! It's already so much better with this change. Props to Sly, MMDE, and everyone who supported this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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