Sony Reportedly taking steps to ban Shovelware

[lostforever77]

11 hours ago, Infected Elite said:

 Real compelling argument. Bravo.... zzzz

Why so hostile?

You should stop

And "no" was enough for me, arguing with hostile people is pointless

[MonaSaxPayne]

17 minutes ago, sepheroithisgod said:

This is great news. Now if they could just also remove all of the trophies earned from these associated games. As the damage has still been done.

 

if they do this (99.9% unlikely), they should also refund everyone who bought these games off the store

[steel6burgh]

4 minutes ago, Thrillhelm said:

hats your personal view,

it's not just my personal view.  it's Sony's view now too buddy along with countess others.

[lostforever77]

25 minutes ago, Good_Sir_Matt_II said:

iBadDriveri sweating buckets seeing this 

Why openly bash someone? Uncalled for and hostile

[fresquinho]

I freaking love their tears LMFAOOOOO the guys at IBadDriverI twitter account are crying so damn loud I love it ?

 

I absolutely love this. A great step moving forward for the PSN Trophy Hunting community, it's about time that this absolute trash content gets removed/regulated. So many indie companies that actually create good games suffered with this. I fuckin' love it. The abuse was ridiculous... Tons and tons of releases, different regions, some company even had the nerve to release DLC trophies just to appear in the PSNProfiles main page again , embarassing. Disgusting and abusive behavior by these "developers".

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by fresquinho

[GodKaio-Ken]

20 minutes ago, Thrillhelm said:

Thats your personal view, I don't dwell in griefing or shaming. But then again thats a common sport in this forum, given the number of griefers in this thread who want people have their trophies removed. 

 

So on one hand its a big issue and Sony has to do something but on the other these games do not make Sony enough money to care about because Sony bathes in billions yet these products somehow damage their reputation beyond repair. 

 

 

It's not about griefing or shaming. It's about the fact most of us just think it's really pathetic people waste their lives chasing trophies on games that aren't even games.

 

You obviously care what other people think to some degree or you wouldn't be posting/tracking trophies on this site. 

 

Unfortunately for you, the majority opinion is that profiles loaded with these types of games aren't impressive, they are really sad. 

 

They display the fact you're trying to impress others and the sad part is that once others view the profile stacked with these games they lose respect. 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by GodKaio-Ken

[Colin_Raleigh]

News travels fast, I've been hearing about this from multiple places online.

[Han_the_Dragon]

I'm still waiting for either Sony makes an official claim on this or for the games to desapear from the store.

 

Until that, I will take the news with a truckload of salt...

 

On another news: several of the "Strocks" games are currently on sale with a special price for ps+ subscribers.. yes, this definitely help me believing in the news about they being banned..

Edited November 22, 2022 by Han_the_Dragon

[Thrillhelm]

26 minutes ago, steel6burgh said:

it's not just my personal view.  it's Sony's view now too buddy along with countess others.

Strawman's argument. A lot of people tend to speak on behalf of others to booster their argument. 

 

Sony did not say people wasted their money, you did. 

 

Enough of your hostility, "buddy".

[TheBlaskar]

AH VINDICATION! I posted something about shovelware when I found out about it earlier this year, pleading for people to not buy these "JUMPING" "RUN" etc games. The comments made fun of me for saying these games taking up space on the new releases store drowns out the actual new indie releases that need attention. Eat sh*t, gamers  nobody cares about having time and money and choosing to buy shovelware, it's ruining the gaming experience and Sony agrees

Edited November 22, 2022 by APeskyAxolotl

[TJ_Solo]

1 minute ago, Han_the_Dragon said:

I'm still waiting for either Sony makes an official claim on this or for the games to desapear from the store.

 

Until that, I will take the news with a truckload of salt...

 

On another news: several of the "Strocks" games are currently on sale with a special price for ps+ subscribers.. yes, this definitely help me believing in the news about they being banned..

 

Why would they make an official claim on this? They way the opening post is worded is that this is about some email or contractual changes between Sony(PSN) and game makers. Something completely behind the scenes we generally shouldn't be a part of. 

 

PlayStation®Partners Account and CertOps? Nothing to do with the public. 

[DrBloodmoney]

6 minutes ago, Thrillhelm said:

Thats your personal view, I don't dwell in griefing or shaming.

 

At various times in the past several weeks, you have called people Trolls, Elitists, Reddit Noise, Strawmen, Rabid, Bullies, Harassers, Gatekeepers, Lorekeepers - and my personal favourite "The doom of the community".

 

There's been plenty of name-calling to go around, so let's not get up on our high horses here.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Thrillhelm said:

But then again thats a common sport in this forum, given the number of griefers in this thread who want people have their trophies removed. 

 

I've not seen any more "griefing" than I see in any thread about any subject.

 

I've seen arguments in favour of a blanket reduction of non-game "trophies" points values to 0...

...that's hardly a scathing attack on an individual, or even a group.

 

It is a demonstration of mass recognition of a loophole in the system that is being exploited, and a desire to fix that exploit, in order to somewhat re-connect the fun aspects of this hobby with the competitive side.

 

 

I've also literally no idea why someone - even someone like yourself, who is very high on the LB, and has farmed many of these softwares - would be against their removal, and reduction of their points. If anything, you should be the most in favour of such a change!

 

If this happened tomorrow, my position would likely stay about the same.

I wouldn't lose points, I don't think, but it's not like I'd gain any either, and I'm hardly competitive with the Big Beasts on the Leaderboard.

 

It's the same for you, really.

 

Would your points total decrease?

Yes, certainly.

But would your LB position?

Probably not...

...because all the people with whom you are in direct competition would ALSO have their points total decrease by a similar factor. 

 

 

Literally the only thing that would change materially, is that you would no longer feel beholden to play every stack of every worthless "gif-with-trophies" vapourware - and neither would any of your high-placement-brothers and sisters.

You could remain competitive - AND actually spend your time playing some games...

 

Wouldn't that be more fun?

 

 

 

 

 

You need to stop thinking of these threads as an attack on you.

They are not an attack on anyone - at least, not from the majority of people who matter - they are a request and/or expressed desire for a change in the rules of the game.

 

 

It's interesting that you mention sports - because there are ample examples of such rule changes in real sports that have happened in order to make said competition more fun.

 

Men's tennis balls are specifically designed to slow the game down, to allow less instant wins.

Formula 1 has spending caps on individual teams.

Football has offside rules.

Boxing doesn't allow rabbit punches.

 

None of those rules existed at the outset of the sport...

...but they were introduced to make the game healthier, more fun to watch, and more sportsmanlike to engage with - and it didn't kill the competition, or "poison the community".

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Thrillhelm said:

So on one hand its a big issue and Sony has to do something but on the other these games do not make Sony enough money to care about because Sony bathes in billions yet these products somehow damage their reputation beyond repair. 

 

 

False argument.

 

No one, as far as I can tell, is saying these games make enough money for Sony to need to care about them.

 

They are saying Sony needs to care about them, because their customer base cares about them -  and not in a positive way.

They are flooding the store, and poisoning the Leaderboards of sites like this one - but not because they make substantial amounts of money.

 

If Harrods suddenly started selling all the wares from a £0.99 shop, it might make some profit from that line too...

...but it would do far more harm than good - especially if those products became so prevalent, that they were spreading across the shop floor.

 

 

[Thrillhelm]

14 minutes ago, GodKaio-Ken said:

 

It's not about griefing or shaming. It's about the fact most of us just think it's really pathetic people waste their lives chasing trophies on games that aren't even games.

 

You obviously care what other people think to some degree or you wouldn't be posting/tracking trophies on this site. 

 

Unfortunately for you, the majority opinion is that profiles loaded with these types of games aren't impressive, they are really sad. 

 

They display the fact you're trying to impress others and the sad part is that once others view the profile stacked with these games they lose respect. 

 

 

Another strawman's argument. "Majority opinion", no its a vocal, hostile, griefing minority creating a toxic environment, turning threads like these into flaming dumpster fires.

[Han_the_Dragon]

Just now, TJ_Solo said:

 

Why would they make an official claim on this? They way the opening post is worded is that this is about some email or contractual changes between Sony(PSN) and game makers. Something completely behind the scenes we generally shouldn't be a part of. 

 

PlayStationPartners Account and CertOps? Nothing to do with the public. 

Yes, but until we actually see something of this becoming true, that letter is as real has wishful thinking..

 

I will believe it when I see some action on it, as I said it doesn't need to be an official statement, they removing all that shovelware from the store is also a valid confirmation for me.

[MichMasteR]

34 minutes ago, lostforever77 said:

Why openly bash someone? Uncalled for and hostile

 

Why so sensitive? Can't take a joke nowadays? Wasn't even targeted to you and got offended

[Groudon199]

2 minutes ago, TJ_Solo said:

 

Why would they make an official claim on this? They way the opening post is worded is that this is about some email or contractual changes between Sony(PSN) and game makers. Something completely behind the scenes we generally shouldn't be a part of. 

 

PlayStation®Partners Account and CertOps? Nothing to do with the public. 

And one publisher has already acknowledged the memo and retweeted the story. Still not confirmation, but it makes the original story slightly more credible.

[Deadly_Ha_Ha]

46 minutes ago, Helyx said:

 

Damn, you got me.

If the shoe fits

[Han_the_Dragon]

2 minutes ago, Groudon199 said:

And one publisher has already acknowledged the memo and retweeted the story. Still not confirmation, but it makes the original story slightly more credible.

Ok, then there's at least some weight on this info other than "an anonymous source".

 

That's good to know. 

[PalaceOfLove706]

Starting to hit other outlets now. 
 

https://www.gamingbible.co.uk/news/sony-banning-easy-platinum-games-on-playstation-store-20221122

[VigilantCrow]

18 minutes ago, Thrillhelm said:

Strawman's argument. A lot of people tend to speak on behalf of others to booster their argument. 

 

Sony did not say people wasted their money, you did. 

 

Enough of your hostility, "buddy".

I run my mouth just as much as the next guy. If you can't take it, don't throw it around. 

[TJ_Solo]

10 minutes ago, Han_the_Dragon said:

Yes, but until we actually see something of this becoming true, that letter is as real has wishful thinking..

 

I will believe it when I see some action on it, as I said it doesn't need to be an official statement, they removing all that shovelware from the store is also a valid confirmation for me.

 

 

To be clear, I am not questioning the validity of the change. Only that I wouldn't expect PlayStation to come out and talk about this. Much like their change to censorship and getting Japanese games certified aren't matters PlayStation have publically acknowledged but a few devs have claimed to have issue with. 

 

It's probably true and I expect fewer of those spam games on the store.
 

[Han_the_Dragon]

1 minute ago, TJ_Solo said:

 

 

To be clear, I am not questioning the validity of the change. Only that I wouldn't expect PlayStation to come out and talk about this. Much like their change to censorship and getting Japanese games certified aren't matters PlayStation have publically acknowledged but a few devs have claimed to have issue with. 

 

It's probably true and I expect fewer of those spam games on the store.
 

Fair enough.

 

Yes, it's unlikely, that they will talk openly about it, but by the letter, they also talk about delisting shovelware, so, if it's really true, I expect to see it happen in the psn store, not just behind backs talk.

 

I actually only decided to post because people are starting to be somewhat "hyped" (I guess) about this when there was nothing solid about it. And as I mentioned it, Sony currently has several of this shovelware on sale too..

 

But apparently some publishers are putting some weight in this info, so, it should be true to some extent.

[Dauersack]

Obviously a positive development, the scum producing this garbage should not be allowed to make money and mess up the store, they were allowed to do that for far too long, now they can piss off back to Steam to be with all the others of their kind. The leaderboards are obviously unsalvagable, Sony will not delete trophies that were already earned, perhaps not even delist the garbage that has been produced so far, so the people who indulged in this shit will always have a ridiculous lead over the ones who refused to partake, but I doubt anyone expected the leaderboard as it is to be worth a damn ever again.

 

The one thing I am sceptical about in any case is Sony, a platform notoriously shit at enforcing their own rules and with super obvious and undeniable double standards when it comes to enforcing other rules, being able or willing to actually enforce it properly and equally. I already expect several more of these games still coming out in future merely because different developers will be held to different standards once again, though hopefully their number will be severely reduced. As for these so called "developers" finding loopholes, I doubt that, people so devoid of any creativity and too lazy or inept to produce anything even resembling a video game don't have it in them to come up with much of anything, their attempt to dodge the shovelware button on this side via DLC was just embarrassing, at most I can see them trying to bribe someone.

[Conker]

I'll believe this when it happens and those asking for people with these to be off leaderboards or value at 0,thats just utter stupid and makes those honestly care more about others profiles/leaderboards then your own gaming. 

[Tigerz_bone_21]

Wow....shit I never play games of shovelware.

 

Edit : damn shit I recently watched IBaddriver1's youtube about playstation bans easy platinum games and shovelware - no more easy platinum games.

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Tigerz_bone_21