Why is this game allowed?

[Angel]

3 minutes ago, coldsphinx93 said:

This is completely off topic but I want to share this story as I found it hilarious at the time:

 

About 5 years ago, I worked at EB Games here in Canada. One day, I had a young boy come up to me wanting to buy Saints Row IV. I told him I would have to handle the transaction with his guardian and tell them about the content, explain the ESRB, etc. So he gets his grandmother and brings her to me. I start to explain to her about the violence and sexuality, and man you should have seen the look on her face when I mentioned being able to beat people up with a giant purple dildo, using it like floppy baseball bat. She was like "oh hell no" and practically flings the game case at me. The absolute highlight of working at that shithole. 

 

Sorry my post is not applicable to op, but I really wanted to share my favorite ESRB story.

 

lmao Thank you for sharing though, I don't know why I found it so funny probably because I wasn't having a good day but this cheered me right up. 

[Guest]

Sony: make•believe

 

Anyone remember what Krusty The Clown once said? “...And remember kids, TV violence is fine as long as you don’t show a nipple!” *Insert Krusty’s laugh here*

[Vampirehunter145]

10 hours ago, J-Ray-G-Rox said:

The main reason is because sexual stuff is a bad influence on children and they will act on it.

 

Murder, on the other  hand, cannot be taught. It requires a special type of individual who is capable of it.

If you educate the children about sexuality, the lesser they will act irresponsibly in their future sexual life. Just teach them contents according to their age. Of course that will be (and has to be) a responsability of their parents, not of "daddy" goverment or "mommy" school. About murdering and sexual violence: Both can be taught and both can be used by practically any person (incluiding you and me), you just have to push the right buttons and/or give the right reasons.

[KingGuy420]

It's because 'Murica loves it's violence. 

 

It's like a couple years ago on Walking Dead they unveiled that a character was gay by having him kiss his boyfriend. The next day Twitter was filled with "WTF my kids were watching that, now I have to explain homosexuality to them!!!!". I just couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that these people let their kids watch ultra violence, but a tiny bit of man love is across the line. And it seemed to be the winning side of the argument. The people disagreeing were the odd man out. That's just the way the US works I guess. Blood, guns, murder, and good ol christian values lol.

 

In all seriousness though, import laws vs. being made local probably has a bit to do with it too.

[melodicmizery]

boy if video game censoring upsets you, your going to be really upset when you discover japanese porn

[mako-heart]

14 hours ago, Bayonette_Rho said:

Same reason they sell guns in Walmart, let kids go on gun ranges, but there's a strict age limit on strip clubs and people flip their shit if a woman breastfeeds in public.

 

Strip clubs are a bad example because they also serve liquor. 

[DrBloodmoney]

15 hours ago, Cobby said:

Don't blame Sony.. Blame society. Everyone is getting pissy as women being objects or just used for titties, which to be fair is a good use, but hey. 

 

When society stops being snowflakes maybe you can get nude women in games... Or just play a better game like Witcher 3.

 

See, here’s the real crux of why this all became a problem.

 

the issue isn’t the ‘snowflakes’ or the parents calling and complaining etc - that’s just people getting offended by things - which they have the right to do - and exercising their own freedom of speech - which they also have a right to do.

 

I have absolutely no issue with people getting offended by whatever they get offended by, or with them basing their purchasing power on those issues, or telling whoever they want to tell just how offended they are.

 

the problem, is that we, as a society, seem to have decided that when people are offended by something, they have a right to expect something to be done about it.

 

When someone says “I’m offended by that” the answer should be *shug* “okay, sucks to be you I guess.”

 

instead, now the answer seems to have become “oh, well, let me remove it. You’re offence is more important than the artistic intention of the originator.”

 

that’s the kind of logic that, had it existed for the past two thousand years, would have resulted in there being nothing but bland, boring, uninteresting or religious art, and nothing else.

 

Let people be offended. Let them be however they are. But please, people, companies, artists, publishers - stop trying to make them happy.

[ArmoredSnowman]

19 hours ago, weavsxx said:

Sony answered today on their censorship policies, it's to protect children

Ironic considering this game is rated M. If children are playing, that's the parents' fault not Sony's. 

[ArmoredSnowman]

 

 

18 hours ago, Beyondthegrave07 said:

"Young people" shouldn't be playing these games anyways. That's why the ESRB ratings are there in the first place. The damn case warns you of it!

Agreed. You get all these kids playing Call of Duty, God of War, and other violent games. Hell, i'm surprised AC Origins didn't get complaints for the prostitutes being nude. If parents want to complain, they should take responsibility instead of blaming Sony for their ignorance. 

3 hours ago, KingGuy420 said:

character was gay by having him kiss his boyfriend. The next day Twitter was filled with "WTF my kids were watching that, now I have to explain homosexuality to them!!!!". I

Curious then, what was the reaction when the lesbian character was revealed?

[Ojama_Country]

I thought this was supposed to be a child-friendly gaming platform, i am deeply offended at all the violence in this games and i DEMAND that Sony changes it... or else i will get someone at Kotaku to write an EXTREMELY scathing article, maybe even with a title like "Sony Allows Offensive Content (And Here's Why That's A Bad Thing)"!

 

Seriously though, fuckin' RIP Sony. We live in Clown World and the Switch is the #1 console for mature games now (ignoring PC, of course)

[qregory]

5 minutes ago, Dorroile said:

I thought this was supposed to be a child-friendly gaming platform, i am deeply offended at all the violence in this games and i DEMAND that Sony changes it... or else i will get someone at Kotaku to write an EXTREMELY scathing article, maybe even with a title like "Sony Allows Offensive Content (And Here's Why That's A Bad Thing)"!

 

Seriously though, fuckin' RIP Sony. We live in Clown World and the Switch is the #1 console for mature games now (ignoring PC, of course)

What does the Switch allow that Sony doesn't besides more loli pedobait stuff? 

[malachi1987]

Love how people moan and complain about having certain types of trophies and when they are gone its gets bashed for no grinding and minimal online. Look past the trophies this will be a quality game even if the girls dont look like trashy slutty ninjas

[Cobby]

1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said:

 

See, here’s the real crux of why this all became a problem.

 

the issue isn’t the ‘snowflakes’ or the parents calling and complaining etc - that’s just people getting offended by things - which they have the right to do - and exercising their own freedom of speech - which they also have a right to do.

 

I have absolutely no issue with people getting offended by whatever they get offended by, or with them basing their purchasing power on those issues, or telling whoever they want to tell just how offended they are.

 

the problem, is that we, as a society, seem to have decided that when people are offended by something, they have a right to expect something to be done about it.

 

When someone says “I’m offended by that” the answer should be *shug* “okay, sucks to be you I guess.”

 

instead, now the answer seems to have become “oh, well, let me remove it. You’re offence is more important than the artistic intention of the originator.”

 

that’s the kind of logic that, had it existed for the past two thousand years, would have resulted in there being nothing but bland, boring, uninteresting or religious art, and nothing else.

 

Let people be offended. Let them be however they are. But please, people, companies, artists, publishers - stop trying to make them happy.

Eh I guess, but I seen a quote going around recently. How has a generation that was brought up on South Park and Family Guy (to an extent) managed to become such snowflakes

[MMDE]

20 hours ago, Asvinia said:

Comparing women to men is a moot point though, a man's bare chest isn't sexual, nor are male nipples.

 

Tell that to all the women who gets turned on by those things, especially those into masculine bodies etc. I really don't think this point is moot. It's most definitely a double-standard.

[Alantor32]

5 minutes ago, MMDE said:

 

Tell that to all the women who gets turned on by those things, especially those into masculine bodies etc. I really don't think this point is moot. It's most definitely a double-standard.

I agree with this since you are a respected member of this site.

[Undead Wolf]

Out of all the console manufacturers, I never expected that Sony would be the ones to cave in to these radical feminists/SJW types. Sony talking about doing this to "protect the children" is nothing more than an excuse used to deflect people away from the real reason which is that they're scared of any potential backlash. We already have rating boards and parental controls, so if a kid gets their hands on one of these games without their parents consent, it's their own damn fault. Besides, what harm is an anime game with fanservice going to do? More than something like GTA or Mortal Kombat? Give me a break... 

 

You just know these people who are indifferent or even supportive of this censorship policy would quickly change their tune once it started affecting the game they care about. The logical conclusion to Sony's line of thinking is that not only is sexualizing virtual women is bad, but so is violence towards them too. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Just because the censorship of these games isn't directly affecting you doesn't mean you should sit idly by and let this happen. Can't you see it's wrong to tell grown ass adults what they can and can't enjoy?

 

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it."

 

Edited April 18, 2019 by BlindMango
Had to remove image because of rule 9/keeps getting reported

[panikooooos]

21 hours ago, weavsxx said:

I'm not against it, but when you are going to put light beams over Trish's butt in DMC5, censoring any trace of sexual themes in Japanese games and so forth, then why is brutal murder okay?

 

Sony answered today on their censorship policies, it's to protect children (Source)

"A Sony spokeswoman confirmed the company has established its own guidelines "so that creators can offer well- balanced content on the platform" and gaming "does not inhibit the sound growth and development" of young people. She declined to say when these guidelines were introduced or to discuss them in detail."

 

The developers of MK confirmed they've covered the ladies in this game to appear more mature and respectful (Source) and while I respect design choices, most original MK male fighters are in their bare chest, does this mean scantily clad female fighters are taboo but men aren't? Why isn't Sony letting the rating boards do their job and why are developers afraid of sex appeal in their games nowadays? It's so obvious they're just doing this because of their own agendas...

Look I'm 100% against censorship as long as the game is properly rated it can contain whatever it wants in it but this whole meme of "violence is allowed so pornography should be too" needs to stop. Pornography is poison to your brain, you can check this for yourself there's literally hundreds of studies, by neuroscientists no less which show how pornography alters the way your brain functions and your dopamine receptors. Especially when the kid's mind is still developing it shouldn't be exposed to sexual acts it doesn't know how to deal with such a thing and may cause permanent psychological trauma. And yes I know the game is 17+ and I know it's just a butt here, I'm just addressing the "porn is good you dumb americans" take which is really an awful argument, and sure in a perfect world where people follow the rules and never watch anything that's mature rated when they're young we wouldn't need stuff like this, but we've all been kids and know we didn't like following rules so I'd rather see a blurry butt once in a while than promote pornography and the whole culture surrounding it. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[scemopagliaccioh]

Wow that's quite a backlash, on one hand I'm happy that these double standards aren't easily looked over on the other hand, I feel there is another thing worth mentioning:

 

Spoiler

They resetted the timeline. AGAIN. Enough with this stuff that NRS focuses on story, it's disgusting, especially considering that playable characters are tied to the story, aka you lose your mains because a fanfic has to happen.

 

[Durandal]

And I thought the 80s and 90s were bad here in Germany. We had games with robots replacing corpses and blood colored green because of the children! The biggest joke was the German version of Half Life. When you shot any of the scientist they would just get on their knees and holding their hands up instead of falling on the floor like any decent corpse would do. Of course it was all a fart in the wind. Because it is all gone nowadays, even swastikas are allowed in games now. That was the biggest issue for a long time when it comes to censorship. Even games that couldn't be bought back then because of our rating system are legal now, like Mortal Kombat games or the original Doom.

 

But this is getting really ridiculous now. I mean isn't that why we have these stickers on every package? So instead of playing government maybe Sony should trust these and the rating boards and more importantly the parents.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Durandal

[grimydawg___]

17 hours ago, TheLakota said:

 

Please don't be so fucking reductive.

How am I being reductive?  It's OK to decapitate women or remove their intestines.  They just can't be in bikinis, though.

[TheLakota]

17 minutes ago, grimydawg said:

How am I being reductive?  It's OK to decapitate women or remove their intestines.  They just can't be in bikinis, though.

 

Let's not play revisionist history now. I'm all for sarcasm, but saying "because Murica" is not exactly a nuanced argument highlighting the alleged double standard associated with violence and sex in video games.

 

Back on topic: I don't particularly feel violence and sex in video games is an apples to apples comparison, especially given the fact the United States has long had issues with sex in media genres.

 

One could trace the lack of sexual permissiveness in American society to as far back as the Puritans. As long as I've been alive it's always been a touchy subject that, right or wrong, continues to shape our society even to this day.

[weavsxx]

2 hours ago, panikooooos said:

Look I'm 100% against censorship as long as the game is properly rated it can contain whatever it wants in it but this whole meme of "violence is allowed so pornography should be too" needs to stop. Pornography is poison to your brain, you can check this for yourself there's literally hundreds of studies, by neuroscientists no less which show how pornography alters the way your brain functions and your dopamine receptors. Especially when the kid's mind is still developing it shouldn't be exposed to sexual acts it doesn't know how to deal with such a thing and may cause permanent psychological trauma. And yes I know the game is 17+ and I know it's just a butt here, I'm just addressing the "porn is good you dumb americans" take which is really an awful argument, and sure in a perfect world where people follow the rules and never watch anything that's mature rated when they're young we wouldn't need stuff like this, but we've all been kids and know we didn't like following rules so I'd rather see a blurry butt once in a while than promote pornography and the whole culture surrounding it. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

Could you provide a credible source? I refuse to believe seeing a naked body is more destructive to your brain than being exposed to violence.

That's just not how nature works.

Second, there is no porn in video games on the PS4 and that's also not the root of the problem.

The current age is that of massive crybabies, the way I see it.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, ArmoredSquirreXD said:

Curious then, what was the reaction when the lesbian character was revealed?

 

On topic regarding homophobia and Sony's hypocrisy...

 

"The Last Of Us Part 2, Anyone?"

[Upendo_Vitani]

11 hours ago, Angel said:

 

lmao Thank you for sharing though, I don't know why I found it so funny probably because I wasn't having a good day but this cheered me right up. 

I have fulfilled my purpose then. I'm glad someone enjoyed my story

[Lance_87]

25 minutes ago, Skeptical69 said:

 

On topic regarding homophobia and Sony's hypocrisy...

 

"The Last Of Us Part 2, Anyone?"

 

I guess we'll see gay/lesbian kisses but not sex scenes... or maybe not. I can't wait to see the s**tstorm if they remove the lesbian kiss from that game lol.