Popular Post AJ_Radio Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, MMDE said: ^ Sly just pushed this change out btw. https://psnprofiles.com/games I had to work a full shift today so only just now saw this. This is the best news we heard in a very long time. This helps change my opinion on Sly Ripper. Still doesn’t filter out all shovelware but as we all know, nothing is perfect so the option will have to have some work done on it. I offer my thanks. I think it took you @MMDE to make this thread because you’ve been here for a long time and you have a fairly good reputation with the users here. Hopefully this little change will mark a sign of things to come. Edited October 20, 2022 by AJ_Radio Shovelware tab is great 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhyrxianLibrarin Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I'm a big enough man to admit when I was wrong, and I was wrong about this one. Being able to tag games as shovelware at all is an important first step, let's hope there's a second/third/etc. to follow! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MMDE Posted October 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) There are 364 pages with 50 trophy lists, and if you search "The AND Jumping" (without the quotes, but with the capital letter AND), then you'll get 12 pages of The Jumping Food games. 12/364=0.033... Yeah, that series alone is 3.3% of all trophy lists, and the series is not even a year old, and it's one of many such series. It's about 600 trophy lists. About 1200 is enough to get you to PSN level 999. You can pay 300*1.5USD=450USD for 300 of them, then another 900USD for the rest. ? But do you want to support this? Edited October 20, 2022 by MMDE 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeepEyes7 Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 Sly in this moment... 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sparklebun1996 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 6 hours ago, JorgeSleep said: Come on, bro. We all know what kind of """games""" we are talking about. Let's not play the "naive" card now. Yeah I know things like the jumping games are obvious but some other things are murky. Ratalakia for instance - very common and easy games but you can't say zero effort went into them. What about Powgi? Are they bad enough? And of course there's Mayo which debately started this mess but you know it has it's defenders too. I guess you could hire someone for the site who manually determines what counts but it's a question of whether the site would do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparklebun1996 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sparklebun1996 said: Yeah I know things like the jumping games are obvious but some other things are murky. Ratalakia for instance - very common and easy games but you can't say zero effort went into them. What about Powgi? Are they bad enough? And of course there's Mayo which debately started this mess but you know it has it's defenders too. I guess you could hire someone for the site who manually determines what counts but it's a question of whether the site would do that. Let me be clear - I hate these games as much as the rest of you. I'm just advocating fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sparklebun1996 said: Let me be clear - I hate these games as much as the rest of you. I'm just advocating fairness. All of those you mentioned pass the “sniff test” as games though. I’d be shocked and pretty appalled if this “shovelware filter” started being applied to those games - and I have every faith that the GIT will not be doing so. This filter will - I assume - only be used to filter out the most barren, wasteful and cynical software - not as a tool to be used against easier games… … and honestly? The reason I feel that way, is (aside from it being the right thing to do,) they don’t need to go any further than that. Ratalaika, POWGI, EastAsiaSoft, Mayo games - these aren’t (and weren’t) clogging the release sections and drowning out other games. If anything, they were being drowned out along with everything else. Just look at what a massive difference it has made already, only removing the truly cynical Trophy-Mill stuff - and that’s the stuff virtually everyone on the site agrees about. The site looks better, everyone is happy. It would be foolish to squander that good will by starting to go after the “easy-but-actual-games” contingent, and start splitting the user-base off into factions about this issue now… …and I don’t think the GIT are fools. They know the difference between an easy game, and software masquerading as a game, just as we do. I have no reason to doubt that they will enact their remit in good faith. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel6burgh Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sparklebun1996 said: I'm just advocating fairness. Well there are many things about the situation that could be deemed unfair if you want to really dwell into it. Ratalaka for instance, they usually take between 30 minutes and an hour. Is it fair they award so much gamer score equivalent to Super Meant Boy or Badlands? Ratalaka games are mainly played for the same reasons the jumping games are. It's just that the jumping games took the exploitation to the next level. POWGI are crossword puzzles, I don't hold those stacks in much higher regards than the jumping games. But that is my personal opinion. Without trying to stoke up a big debate, because today is a good day, if you are advocating for fairness there a multitude of ways to look at what is actually fair. While Ratalaka games may be real games and all, their gamer score is greatly overvalued and I'd ask how many people sit around playing ratalaka games past platinum?? i'm betting the number isn't that great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: Well there are many things about the situation that could be deemed unfair if you want to really dwell into it. Ratalaka for instance, they usually take between 30 minutes and an hour. Is it fair they award so much gamer score equivalent to Super Meant Boy or Badlands? Ratalaka games are mainly played for the same reasons the jumping games are. It's just that the jumping games took the exploitation to the next level. POWGI are crossword puzzles, I don't hold those stacks in much higher regards than the jumping games. But that is my personal opinion. Without trying to stoke up a big debate, because today is a good day, if you are advocating for fairness there a multitude of ways to look at what is actually fair. While Ratalaka games may be real games and all, their gamer score is greatly overvalued and I'd ask how many people sit around playing ratalaka games past platinum?? i'm betting the number isn't that great. Ratalaika is an issue, because they add too easy trophy lists to their games and then release a lot of console and region stacks. That is what I was hoping this suggestion would solve, no matter the publisher etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel6burgh Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, MMDE said: Ratalaika is an issue, because they add too easy trophy lists to their games and then release a lot of console and region stacks. That is what I was hoping this suggestion would solve, no matter the publisher etc. Yep i think today was a great win for the site and hobby but something still needs to eventually get done about the stacks and the value of super common trophies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonoid321 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Will there ever be an option to hide all the multiple stack games aside from just one game for maybe each platform in the latest games tab as well? I feel like that would also take down allot of the clutter, especially since we can already see how many versions of the game there are by going to the trophies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweeping-lamp3 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Is there a way to view the games marked as shovelware so far? Edited October 21, 2022 by sweeping-lamp3 grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) Honestly the site looks amazing again already, and overnight (like literally I went to bed and woke up) Great work everyone! For bringing up the issue for so long, that finally made a change. Reminds me when X Box X series was released. 26 minutes ago, sweeping-lamp3 said: Is there a way to view the games marked as shovelware so far? The "Easy Games" tab on the far right of the site is your best bet. Since well, it at least lists the easiest games first and boy a lot of them are in the high 98% Edited October 21, 2022 by enaysoft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knave21 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Wow the new game list is back to looking normal again! Like others have mentioned, I typically rely on the new trophy lists to see what interesting/new games have come out that I might not have been aware of and I've stumbled upon quite a few good games that I probably wouldn't have otherwise heard about or played. It's been borderline unusable for the last few months so this is a welcome change. Will be interesting to see if hiding the shovelware actually translates to less people buying/playing those games, but I guess time will tell on that one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 Throw rat in the bin too fuck it, let's take this to the max awesomeness! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Tempus isnt counted as shovelware? nevertheless, a fine addition. Now hopefully these threads stop lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zid960 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Just got to say thanks. I'm all for some easy plays. But a game or 2 a week of like 6 stacks. For months was getting annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beyondthegrave07 Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: All of those you mentioned pass the “sniff test” as games though. I’d be shocked and pretty appalled if this “shovelware filter” started being applied to those games - and I have every faith that the GIT will not be doing so. This filter will - I assume - only be used to filter out the most barren, wasteful and cynical software - not as a tool to be used against easier games… … and honestly? The reason I feel that way, is (aside from it being the right thing to do,) they don’t need to go any further than that. Ratalaika, POWGI, EastAsiaSoft, Mayo games - these aren’t (and weren’t) clogging the release sections and drowning out other games. If anything, they were being drowned out along with everything else. Just look at what a massive difference it has made already, only removing the truly cynical Trophy-Mill stuff - and that’s the stuff virtually everyone on the site agrees about. The site looks better, everyone is happy. It would be foolish to squander that good will by starting to go after the “easy-but-actual-games” contingent, and start splitting the user-base off into factions about this issue now… …and I don’t think the GIT are fools. They know the difference between an easy game, and software masquerading as a game, just as we do. I have no reason to doubt that they will enact their remit in good faith. If it's blatantly obvious, we mark it right now. If we don't know (even if it has a 90%+ plat), we leave it. People can shit on Ratalaika if they want, but at least those are games. Same for EastAsiaSoft. I think some could argue POWGI, but that's the thing.... you can argue it so it's not blatantly obvious. I'm personally not touching it, and doubt anyone else will either. That's how straightforward I'm being with it. I'm sure some will get missed and retroactively applied, but it is what it is. Oh, and by blatantly obvious, I mean animal xyzs, jumpers, strokers, and the like in case that wasn't clear. Anyways, appreciate your confidence and support. Hope this puts everyone else at ease who's afraid we'll mark actual games. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nameless600 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Beyondthegrave07 said: If it's blatantly obvious, we mark it right now. If we don't know (even if it has a 90%+ plat), we leave it. People can shit on Ratalaika if they want, but at least those are games. Same for EastAsiaSoft. I think some could argue POWGI, but that's the thing.... you can argue it so it's not blatantly obvious. I'm personally not touching it, and doubt anyone else will either. That's how straightforward I'm being with it. I'm sure some will get missed and retroactively applied, but it is what it is. Oh, and by blatantly obvious, I mean animal xyzs, jumpers, strokers, and the like in case that wasn't clear. Anyways, appreciate your confidence and support. Hope this puts everyone else at ease who's afraid we'll mark actual games. This is exactly it. Rata, sometimes you, eastasiasoft all are ported PC games, sure, some are pretty shitty games but at least they are games. Hell, even breakthrough games technically have a right to be on the PlayStation store. Easy trophy list does not equal not a game. Jumpers, strokers etc are not games, plain a simple, no story, no objective, no gameplay, arguably no visuals. They are just an upgraded number counter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlindMango Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) What a beautiful day, and what a beautiful new games list - thank you @Sly Ripper for cleaning up the new games list. It truly brings a tear to my eye ? Edited October 21, 2022 by BlindMango 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaehyun1009 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) Wow! I thought something had changed when I didn't see several of those stroke and jumping "games" clogging up new releases section and it indeed did! The site looks much better already with this one update. Edited October 21, 2022 by jaehyun1009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Now Sly should sell this tab idea to Sony for PS Store use. Literally all they need. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Infected Elite said: Now Sly should sell this tab idea to Sony for PS Store use. Literally all they need. Hear, hear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LastMinuteSavior Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, BlindMango said: What a beautiful day Yup ? Today we're all one big happy family! Well, apart from those guys over there who love their shovelware. They're probably thinking of murdering us in our sleep. But that's ok. We love those weirdos too ? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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