Popular Post Skagarrin Posted October 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) After the long wait for October my first list is completed. I finished Until Dawn this evening which gets me to Platinum Tier and 3 new badges. @Rebourne07 I'm not a big horror fan but it was fun revisiting Until Dawn even though I had never played it myself. My wife is a casual gamer and we co-op some games together (which is the main reason I have so many Lego platinum trophies ) She is also a massive slasher movie fan so I bought her Until Dawn when it released as a present and said we had a new game to play. but she was going to play and I was just going to watch. Being a little slow with QTEs meant a no death scenario for her was out of the question. But no one watches slasher movie to see everyone survive so her inability to save everyone was actually perfect. List One: 1 - Life is Strange - PS4 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Drama - Completed 04/07/2023 - 07:12 2 - Until Dawn - PS4 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Survival - Completed 05/10/2023 - 22:41 3 - Assassin's Creed Valhalla - PS5 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Historical - Completed 02/05/2023 - 21:01 4 - Tomb Raider: Legend - PS3 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Shooter - Completed 10/01/2023 - 20:27 5 - Uncharted: Drakes Fortune Remaster - PS4 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Comedy - Completed 01/03/2023 - 17:58 6 - Hades - PS5 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Indie - Completed 28/01/2023 - 09:36 7 - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - PS4 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Open World - Completed 04/01/2023 - 07:09 8 - Dark Souls Remastered - PS4 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Horror - Completed 22/07/2023 - 13:14 9 - Returnal - PS5 [PlatPrices] - Science Fiction - Completed 07/08/2023 - 21:24 10 - Diablo II: Resurrected - PS4 [PlatPrices] - Hack and Slash - Completed 07/07/2023 - 21:57 New Badges: Spooky [Until Dawn] PS4 Master [Life is Strange, Until Dawn, Uncharted Drakes Fortune Remastered, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Dark Souls Remastered, Diablo II Resurrected] Jack of All Trades [Whole List - Genres are listed against each game above] I'm going to see how far I get with my second list 6/10 is nearly done and I was planning of finishing at least 7/10 to get it to Bronze but we will see. Edited October 5, 2023 by Skagarrin 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuber6969 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) @Rebourne07 I have a question regarding Metagame as a rating source. Sometimes there are two ratings for the same game. For example: Xeno Crisis has a "Game Difficulty" of 10/10, and a "Trophy Difficulty" of 9/10. Can we use either rating? Edited October 6, 2023 by Yuber6969 Typo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shrooba Posted October 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) Count me in for this year! Here's my list: 1/10 - TBA 2/10 - TBA 3/10 - BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle - DONE 4/10 - Persona 4 Golden - DONE 5/10 - Rayman Legends - DONE 6/10 - TBA 7/10 - Persona 4 Arena Ultimax PS3 - DONE 8/10 - BlazBlue ChronoPhantasma Extend - DONE 9/10 - Overwatch 2 - DONE 10/10 - Grand Theft Auto IV - DONE Potential badges so far: Above and Beyond - Platinum a game with an official time estimate of 80 or more hours Mad Skillz - Platinum a Fighting or Racing game rated 8/10 or higher Masochist - More than one game on your list qualifies as a 10/10 - (Overwatch Platinum Difficulty Community Vote has a 10/10 majority as of this post) Rare Letter - Platinum a game starting with J,O,Q,X,Y or Z As of a couple hours ago, I recently completed GTA 4's base game! Very lucky that there's a guide that rates it a 10/10 from all those years ago! 😂 I've got to give my thanks to @PlutoRico and @YaManSmevz for helping me with the online! The multiplayer trophies were the one thing stopping me from playing this game for a long time since I always feared a hacker ruining things, so I was very fortunate to have these two trustworthy friends to play with, and it made the entire process more fun!... Except those races for the AWP trophy, those races wear anyone down. 😅 This was my first GTA game, and it was an awesome experience! I loved the characters, roaming through the main islands, and listening to some sweet radio tunes all the while. On another note: Overwatch 2. Since OW2 is really just a glorified update, it carries over the same trophies as OW1, and it's because of this that I noticed OW1's PlatPrices rating was listed on the original post of the thread, so I couldn't pass up the chance to include that for my 9/10. 😅 With my 8/10 and 7/10 also done, I've covered the hard games! Just got 1, 2, and 6 to go! Edited October 6, 2023 by Shrooba 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rebourne07 Posted October 6, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 12/1/2022 at 12:55 PM, Rebourne07 said: Skagarrin - October 5th ~ Diablo II: Resurrected @Skagarrin Congratulations on finishing your list!!! I'm super jealous of that Diablo II platinum. That's a game I was hype to play until the trophy list dropped. Good job on your list and being the second person to get the Spooky badge! @Yuber6969 That is a GREAT question. Metagame is kinda the sketchiest rating source that's still allowed. I'd never even noticed there were two ratings for each game on there. Once you said that my initial reaction was to say the trophy difficulty would be the one that is accepted...but upon further inspection that'd alienate a lot of existing lists 🤣 So either rating works. Metagame goes against the standard rule of "either a published guide or a community poll" because its an aggregate algorithm that is automatically calculated based on source sites. But...to say that's not allowed would mean PlatPrices wouldn't be allowed since it does the same thing. And since PlatPrices is by far the most searchable resource...MetaGame slides by on a technicality haha In short, use whatever metagame.guide rating you'd like. On 12/1/2022 at 12:55 PM, Rebourne07 said: ShrubbaTub ~ Grand Theft Auto IV @Shrooba Welcome to the challenge! Glad to see people still joining late in the year! Your list looks great and thank you for your clear formatting. Looking forward to more updates. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dertswa687o Posted October 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2023 I got a couple more completions to bump me up to gold tier on my 3rd list. Rayman Origins is another one I've played before and one I knew didn't deserve its 8/10 guide difficulty. It was fun to play through it again and nothing really gave me much difficulty. Catherine was new to me and it was tough. I wasn't super good at the block puzzles, so thankfully a majority of the game can be done following video guides. I dread to think of solving all 128 Rapunzel stages on my own. Babel was pretty challenging since you're basically required to use 2 controllers on the PS3 version. I think ultimately Obelisk was the most challenging but Axis Mundi certainly seemed ridiculous on my first few tries. I think after Vanquish I will probably call it quits with 3 lists completed. I would just be missing 4 unique badges, which I think is pretty good. ✔️ 1/10 - Zero Time Dilemma ✔️ 2/10 - Undertale ✔️ 3/10 - Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault ✔️ 4/10 - Teslagrad ✔️ 5/10 - Puppeteer ✔️ 6/10 - Bayonetta ✔️ 7/10 - Split/Second ✔️ 8/10 - Rayman Origins ✔️ 9/10 - Catherine ❌ 10/10 - Vanquish Badges: Award Winner - Puppeteer Fresh Starter - All One Trick Pony - Zero Time Dilemma, Undertale, Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault, Puppeteer, Rayman Origins, Catherine (Adventure) PS3 Master - Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault, Puppeteer, Bayonetta, Split/Second, Rayman Origins, Catherine Rare Letter - Zero Time Dilemma Shameless - Zero Time Dilemma, Undertale, Teslagrad Spooky - Catherine Vita Master - Zero Time Dilemma, Undertale, Teslagrad Full badge list (for Rebourne's convenience): Spoiler 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JEDI_BROTHERS Posted October 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2023 It's been a minute since I did this update. I forgot about the challenge. But I'm back! All guides will be the psnprofiles guide unless stated otherwise 1/10 - The light in the darkness 2/10 - Undertale 3/10 - TMNT The Cowabunga Collection 4/10 - 5/10 - Uncharted 3: Drakes Deception 6/10 - Grand Theft Auto V PS5 7/10 - Conan Exiles 8/10 - 9/10 - 10/10 - I'm slacking... I have some games in mind, I'd love some recommendations from the community if you guys have any ideas 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x410xDragon Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Current list (as of now). 1/10 - 2/10 - Final Fantasy II 3/10 - Marvel's Spider Man 4/10 - Death's Door 5/10 - Resident Evil 7: Biohazard (PS5) 6/10 - Resident Evil 4 Remake 7/10 - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 8/10 - The Evil Within 2 9/10 - The Evil Within 10/10 - Been busy with work here lately - so my time has been limited and Final Fantasy XIV - raiding the newest savage weekly re-clears (and patch) happened. 🤣 I do, however, have a question about one of the games in the difficulty 9 & 10 tier list: Vanquish. Does it really deserve the 9/10 or 10/10 spot? Is this difficulty based solely on the psnprofiles (or PST) guide? The thing worth noting in Vanquish are the challenges and those challenges mainly being Challenges 4 & 6, the other 4 are simple enough, but I would not say Vanquish is a 9, let alone a 10; if anything, I would say a 7 (or 8 at best) to avoid an argument; personally, a 6 makes more sense (in my opinion) for Vanquish while MGR:R seems about right. Not sure if this has been brought up before in the past, but figured I'd ask now. While it will make no difference, just curious. In addition, one could also argue Evil Within's spot, but that is another topic for a different day. Idk - Akumu mode after completing it felt more like Trial and Error, but who knows that is based on my experience. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebourne07 Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 12/1/2022 at 12:55 PM, Rebourne07 said: dertswa687o - March 26th ~ Akai Katana Shin [[July 28th (Platinum) ~ Crash Bandicoot 4]] [[October 7th (Gold)]] @dertswa687o Congratulations on Gold tier on your third list! Your badges are awesome cause its clear you went for as many unique ones as possible and didn't double/triple up on many at all. @JEDI_BROTHERS For recommendations on higher level difficulty games checkout the Resources section of the main post. Lots of good ideas in there @x410xDragon Good points on Vanquish and Evil Within. That's the beauty of the challenge though, no one can determine their own ratings, we just accept the ratings of guide writers and community polls so if a game was considered a 10 at one point but now, due to strategies and exploits discovered afterwards, is easier...so be it. It's still a 10 for this challenge Good job on Evil Within, I think you're the first person I've heard say that wasn't as hard as they expected lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDI_BROTHERS Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/7/2023 at 11:03 AM, JEDI_BROTHERS said: It's been a minute since I did this update. I forgot about the challenge. But I'm back! All guides will be the psnprofiles guide unless stated otherwise 1/10 - The light in the darkness 2/10 - Undertale 3/10 - TMNT The Cowabunga Collection 4/10 - 5/10 - Uncharted 3: Drakes Deception 6/10 - Grand Theft Auto V PS5 7/10 - Conan Exiles 8/10 - 9/10 - 10/10 - I'm slacking... I have some games in mind, I'd love some recommendations from the community if you guys have any ideas Alright, I'm fully committed now 4- destroy all humans remake 8- the witness or Tony hawk 1 2 9- Celeste 10- injustice Only one I'm iffy on is injustice due to how long it may take. But for now I'm planning on it. Thanks for the help guide I will update when I make progress 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLetsP1ayGod Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 @Rebourne07 I tagged you in my original comment but I wasn't sure if it would actually notify you since it was an edit, so heres a new comment just in case. I have completed my two lists! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Reapover Posted October 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 4/2/2023 at 1:12 PM, Mary_mon42 said: Kinda late to the fun but better late than never! Here's my list: ✅ 1/10: Life is Strange 2 (Science Fiction) (23/04/23) ✅ 2/10: The Dark Pictures Anthology: Man of Medan (Survival) (25/04/23) ✅ 3/10: Endling (Sandbox) (04/08/23) ✅ 4/10: Untitled Goose Game (Simulator) (06/08/23) ✅ 5/10: The Last Guardian (Puzzle) (02/09/23) ✅ 6/10: Team Sonic Racing (Racing) (03/09/23) ❎ 7/10: Outlast 2 (Horror) (03/10/23) ❎ 8/10: Cuphead (Indie) (08/10/23) ❎ 9/10: Celeste (Platform) ❎ 10/10: Red Dead Redemption 2 (Open World) Badges I'm shooting for: Above and Beyond - Platinum a game with an official time estimate of 80 or more hours (Red Dead Redemption 2) Fresh Starter - 6 or more games on your list had 0% progress prior to 2023 (RDR2, Celeste, Outlast 2, Untitled Goose Game, Endling, Life is Strange 2, TLG) Jack of All Trades - All 10 games on your list are from a different genre OCD - Platinum all 10 games on your list in order (hopefully I don't forget lol) One Trick Pony - 6 or more games on your list are from the same genre (Adventure genre: MoM, LiS2, Celeste, Endling, TLG, RDR2, Outlast 2) PS4 Master - Platinum 6 or more PS4 games on your list Rare Letter - Platinum a game starting with J,O,Q,X,Y or Z (Outlast 2) Spooky - Platinum a horror game in October (Outlast 2) Is it possible to get Jack of All Trades and One Trick Pony on the same list? Asking because 6 of my games share the adventure genre ? With how long it has taken me to get through this list, I got to plat Outlast 2 a few days ago which gets me the Spooky badge that I wasn't planning for when I made the list originally I remember playing it when it first came out but I forgot how dark it is, made the chasing encounters a complete nightmare because I kept bumping into shit, made my heart race a few times lol Also got the Cuphead plat like 20 minutes ago after 3 long hours of fighting the devil, I was so ready to give up for the day, persevere and conquer I guess. That means I only have 2 more games to beat so I can finish my first (and only) list. I might actually end up swapping RDR2 for Fall Guys, I don't think I have the will or time to spend like 200 hours on RDR2 (maybe if I had started making progress earlier during the year), I only have one trophy left to get the Fall Guys plat, let's see what I decide on after I do Celeste 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barra333 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 15 hours ago, JEDI_BROTHERS said: Alright, I'm fully committed now 4- destroy all humans remake 8- the witness or Tony hawk 1 2 9- Celeste 10- injustice Only one I'm iffy on is injustice due to how long it may take. But for now I'm planning on it. Thanks for the help guide I will update when I make progress I have no idea how long your 4,9 and 10 games take, but Tony Hawk will take a hell of a long time. The grind to level 100 is madness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rebourne07 Posted October 9, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 12/1/2022 at 12:55 PM, Rebourne07 said: xLetsP1ayGod - October 8th ~ Sonic Unleashed [[October 8th (Platinum) ~ Big Buck Hunter Arcade]] @xLetsP1ayGod Daaaaang you came outta nowhere from your long hiatus with some jam packed lists! Good job man! You're the only person with two Guide Writer badges and its great cause you doubled up with Pinball Heroes 🤣 Also it's hilarious that your horror game is Sonic Unleashed 🤣 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zaxonzaxon Posted October 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2023 Finally have another update to make: First up, I'm swapping out my 4/10 (Two Point Hospital) for Anno 1800, which I recently published a guide for. All of the badges for Two Point Hospital are redundant with other games on the list, so nothing changes there. Next is my last game on the list: Returnal, for 9/10. Frequently very frustrating but always a lot of fun, this one was quite a mountain to climb. The collectibles grind was pretty terrible, but the gameplay being so smooth and addictive made it (mostly) bearable. With that my list is complete! ✅ 1: TOEM (PSNP) ✅ 2: 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim (PSNP) ✅ 3: Final Fantasy VIII (PSNP) ✅ 4: Anno 1800 (PSNP) ✅ 5: Zone of the Enders HD (PSNP) ✅ 6: Stardew Valley (PSNP) ✅ 7: Metal Wolf Chaos(PSNP) ✅ 8: Deep Rock Galactic (PSNP) ✅ 9: Returnal (PowerPyx) ✅ 10: Vanquish (PST 9.5) NEW BADGE: (Anno 1800) FINAL TOTAL LIST: I'd had some plans to maybe do a second list and get some more badges, but I got a little obsessed with that guide I wrote, and it ended up eating too much of my free time. Whoops. So.... next year, I guess. Anyway, this challenge was a lot of fun! I do feel a little guilty because the "hard" half of my list is generally over-rated difficulty wise, but you take what the internet gives you. Most of the joy actually came from just scouring lists trying to find all the right numbers amongst my backlog and such, and setting it up to get as many badges as possible. On top of that I had a lot of fun writing my first guide, revisiting a favorite from my youth (FF8), trying things outside my usual gaming wheelhouse (TOEM, 13 sentinels), and finally getting around to playing a couple oldies I've been meaning to try for ages (Vanquish and Metal Wolf Chaos, both of which were great.) Thanks @Rebourne07 for creating and maintaining the event, and cheers to all the other participants (some of you guys are impressively insane, lol.) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post x410xDragon Posted October 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Update (as of now) - Do let me know if I need make any corrections with my 2/10 spot. 1/10 - 2/10 - Oceanhorn: Monster of Uncharted Seas (PST) (PS4) 3/10 - Marvel's Spider Man (PS4) 4/10 - Death's Door (PS5) 5/10 - Resident Evil 7: Biohazard (PS5) 6/10 - Resident Evil 4 Remake (PS4) 7/10 - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (PS5) 8/10 - The Evil Within 2 (PS4) 9/10 - The Evil Within (PS4) 10/10 - Edited October 10, 2023 by x410xDragon 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skagarrin Posted October 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) OK, I didn't think I was as close to finishing Godfall but as it turned out I was. Godfall is a sort of poor mans Destiny with melee combat instead of guns. There is no PvP or Raids, which were the main things I struggled with in Destiny, so I enjoyed it. I thought the 20 levels of the Ascended Tower solo was going to be a bit of a chore. But it wasn't as bad as expected. So, that is my 6/10 on my second list done. My second list now looks like this: 1 - Pinball Heroes - PS5 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Pinball - Completed 20/02/2023 - 20:46 2 - Life Is Strange: True Colours - PS5 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Romance - Completed - 22/02/2023 - 19:34 3 - The Artful Escape - PS5 [PlatPrices Guide Difficulty] - Indie - Completed - 12/03/2023 - 09:42 4 - Outer Wilds - PS5 [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Mystery - Completed - 25/03/2023 - 12:57 5 - Final Fantasy VII Remake [PSNProfiles Guide Difficulty] - Role-Playing (RPG) - Completed - 01/09/2023 - 22:13 6 - Godfall [PlatPrices Guide Difficulty] - Action - Completed - 09/10/2023 I'll update my badges for this list when I reach Bronze tier. As my 7/10 is going to be The Witcher 3:Wild Hunt on PS5 for the Repeat offender badge (no auto-pop) that may be a little while Edited October 9, 2023 by Skagarrin 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebourne07 Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 12/1/2022 at 12:55 PM, Rebourne07 said: zaxonzaxon - October 9th ~ Vanquish @zaxonzaxon Congratulations on finishing your list AND being one of the very few with the Guide Writer badge!!! @x410xDragon I've bumped you up to Silver tier! Let me know what badges you are eligible for and I'll put those by your name. And yeah, your 2/10 is great cause 2.5 can either round down to 2 or up to 3. @Skagarrin Good luck on The Witcher 3! I've always wanted to play that one but never bit the bullet cause I know its a long one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLetsP1ayGod Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Rebourne07 said: @xLetsP1ayGod Daaaaang you came outta nowhere from your long hiatus with some jam packed lists! Good job man! You're the only person with two Guide Writer badges and its great cause you doubled up with Pinball Heroes 🤣 Also it's hilarious that your horror game is Sonic Unleashed 🤣 Thanks! Sonic Unleashed felt like a horror game lmaooo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDI_BROTHERS Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 10 hours ago, barra333 said: I have no idea how long your 4,9 and 10 games take, but Tony Hawk will take a hell of a long time. The grind to level 100 is madness. Injustice is long, but there's afk for the longest trophy thankfully. Destroy all humans is like 20 hours maybe? And Celeste from what I've read is a little longer than that. If it's that bad I might just postpone it for another game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebourne07 Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, JEDI_BROTHERS said: Injustice is long, but there's afk for the longest trophy thankfully. Destroy all humans is like 20 hours maybe? And Celeste from what I've read is a little longer than that. If it's that bad I might just postpone it for another game. Celeste with cheats (I used them, no shame) is very quick. Injustice platinum is less about the level 100 grind and more about Battle Mode. Good luck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x410xDragon Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Rebourne07 said: I've bumped you up to Silver tier! Let me know what badges you are eligible for and I'll put those by your name. And yeah, your 2/10 is great cause 2.5 can either round down to 2 or up to 3. Afaik, I only qualify for: - Witcher 3: The Wild Hunt - All - Oceanhorn: Monster of Uncharted Seas Never considered the badges before now, but the idea seems very fun! I may have to consider my next few carefully! Edit: I think that about covers it, @Rebourne07. Let me know if I am incorrect anywhere. Edited October 10, 2023 by x410xDragon Added information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MD_91 Posted October 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2023 Got my 1 and 7 completed on my 4th list since my last update a couple months ago, not sure I'll finish this list but I should get it to bronze tier at least for some more badges 1 - Unpacking 2 - 3 - Endling 4 - 5 - Hotline Miami 6 - 7 - Tennis World Tour 8 - 9 - 10 - First List Second List Third List 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebourne07 Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 12/1/2022 at 12:55 PM, Rebourne07 said: x410xDragon @x410xDragon Updated! @MD_91 Yall with your 3rd and 4th lists blow me away haha My dream is to someday finish two full lists. Idk how you do it! Also, bonus points for Hotline Miami. One of my favorite games! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebourne07 Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 Request for everyone here: Can y'all help me find 1s, 7s, 8s, 9s and 10s that came out in 2023? I'm looking to update the Resources section of the main post and a few more brains on it would speed the process up. Thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barra333 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Trackmania is 9 or 10 depending on where you look. Came out in May. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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