[Rumor] December PS+ games

[Stardroid]

Please provide any evidence, not anecdotal evidence, that showcases the "PS4 fanbase" has stopped subbing to PS+ as a result of this specifically.

The "PS4 fanbase" is largely mainstream casual audience, who couldn't care less about PS+'s free games, they only pay for the online. Like people did on 360, and a lot of those people are the exact same people. Going from the most popular last gen console [at the beginning] 360, to the most successsful one this gen PS4.

 

This amounts to the same thing CoD hate does. That people online love to complain and even more love to over-inflate the importance of  their voice.

 

Strawmanning me in the same sentence as asking for evidence for a claim which I of course never made. I said it's a poor marketing stunt to put such a weak line up at the end of the year. Especially considering the price has been increased as well. And you need only look at the thread itself (reddit), the most popular post is about the disappointment. Disappointment which is also prevelant here. However, don't put words in my mouth, I never said there was a decline in subscribers, I never correlated anything either. I just said it's a poor line up for the end of the year.

But please provide evidence for your claims and not anecdotal. Your post made me cringle just a little bit, I am sorry. Because first you ask for things I never claim, then you make a claim about the subscribers by not providing the data you asked me to provide.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Starflakes

[Guest]

Cool. Nothing I bought. Win!

[Stargazer2600]

Well... if those will be the two PS4 games then there's going to be nothing for me this month.    I was hoping for AAA titles and not digital only indie games.

i had ps+ for one year and so far i havent downloaded one of there free monthly games. Like you i expected like older PS2 games or something. not indie games

[Caesar Clown]

I saw Stories in the Black Friday deal and thought "That's so gonna be a PS+ game.". Sooner than I thought too. And no, I'm not commenting on the quality of the game, I just figured it would be offered real soon.

[Valyrious]

Two inexpensive ($15/$20) games. Sounds legit to me. Not like I care. Nothing but FFXV for me.

[Azaan60]

Why wouldn't you expect Uncharted 4? Uncharted 3 made it onto PS+.

Uncharted 3 came to Plus 3 years after it's original release. It's only been like 7 months since Uncharted 4 came out.

[Kishnabe]

I don't have both games...and want to play them. Would be happy with that selection.

[LittleBlueMacaw]

Hope it's true. Was planning to get Stories down the line so I'd be happy if it's one of the PS+ games!

[Nihiris-]

Invisible, Inc is supposed to be excellent. 

 

Either way I probably won't be getting to any PS+ game for awhile regardless on what it is, have enough stuff to play.

[Elvick_]

Strawmanning me in the same sentence as asking for evidence for a claim which I of course never made. I said it's a poor marketing stunt to put such a weak line up at the end of the year. Especially considering the price has been increased as well. And you need only look at the thread itself (reddit), the most popular post is about the disappointment. Disappointment which is also prevelant here. However, don't put words in my mouth, I never said there was a decline in subscribers, I never correlated anything either. I just said it's a poor line up for the end of the year.

But please provide evidence for your claims and not anecdotal. Your post made me cringle just a little bit, I am sorry. Because first you ask for things I never claim, then you make a claim about the subscribers by not providing the data you asked me to provide.

What strawman? "a lot of the PS4 fanbase does not feel that way and thus, marketing wise, this is a very poor move."

Unless sales have dropped, it is not a poor move. Thus, my point. Which is completely relevant, and it is not a strawman at all. Unless you said something you didn't mean. And given that Sony's approach has not changed a single bit since the launch of the PlayStation 4, years ago I might add, one can easily deduce that they are perfectly happy with how subscriptions are going for PS+. Well, they *increased* the price. But that's hardly proving your point now is it.

Despite the complaining on the internet about it. Gamers aren't the only people who own consoles, but keep pretending that people complaining on forums like this are the majority. or even "a lot" in the grand scheme of this industry if it makes you feel better.

 

Edited November 29, 2016 by Elvick_

[Valyrious]

Strawmanning me in the same sentence as asking for evidence for a claim which I of course never made. I said it's a poor marketing stunt to put such a weak line up at the end of the year. Especially considering the price has been increased as well. And you need only look at the thread itself (reddit), the most popular post is about the disappointment. Disappointment which is also prevelant here. However, don't put words in my mouth, I never said there was a decline in subscribers, I never correlated anything either. I just said it's a poor line up for the end of the year.

But please provide evidence for your claims and not anecdotal. Your post made me cringle just a little bit, I am sorry. Because first you ask for things I never claim, then you make a claim about the subscribers by not providing the data you asked me to provide.

Look, I get it, Sony upped the price. Back in September. It's now almost December. I think it's time to stop constantly bringing it up. Did you, or did you not, manage to reup your subscription to the old price before the price hike? Or better, did you manage to find a card for the same price AFTER the price hike? There's tons of $50 cards available around here, even to this day.

 

I swear, three years from now we're still going to have mooks whining about the $10 price hike, like it's a complete deal breaker.

[chrisy21]

Why wouldn't you expect Uncharted 4? Uncharted 3 made it onto PS+.

 

Yes back when PS+ was great. 

[Dragon-Archon]

I'm assuming this is fake until an official announcement has been made.

 

Why does it say November?

Lol, nice find.

[AuzzieWingman]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one content with PS Plus. I've always had games to download for the PS4, except October when they gave us Resident Evil and Transformers Devastation since I already had those.

I also don't mind the indie games. There's simply too much on the store to be bothered to wade through. I like having something like this chucking a few my way every now and then.

I wished they would try a little bit harder for the PS4. Most people with a PS4 is signed up for PS Plus so they should be trying to make the service on it stronger. For example, they could try upping the player count in a free to play game every month with some sort of bonus. Or they could try giving out an old game with multiplayer. How I would love it GGXrd Sign or some other non existent player count games were included, like they did with Injustice.

[grbolivar]

The games might be good, but it's not very smart from Sony, after 3 years into the PS4 life cycle, they should try to offer at least one triple A game for PS4. Or there will be more backlash. 

 

ZombiU, NBA2k16, REmake, Lords of the Fallen, Saints Row, Tropico. Seems like people will not stop shouting AAA until they get Knack.

Edited November 29, 2016 by grbolivar

[angelgrievous]

I don't see Sony giving any AAA games away for free right now when they would rather you buy the big AAA games coming out this time of year.  It would be silly of them, 

[crimsonidol38]

Stories: Path of Destinies is a nice game in the first playthroughs but it's quite repetitive to get all the endings (24 or 25 (?) in total).

I hope for all of you that they fixed some of the bugs by now. Sometimes events wouldn't trigger or  the environment textures wouldn't load which made some passages hard to navigate.

[ShadeSplit]

LMAO some people never learn, seriously

 

I also had a good laugh out of that.

[Stardroid]

What strawman? "a lot of the PS4 fanbase does not feel that way and thus, marketing wise, this is a very poor move."

Unless sales have dropped, it is not a poor move. Thus, my point. Which is completely relevant, and it is not a strawman at all. Unless you said something you didn't mean. And given that Sony's approach has not changed a single bit since the launch of the PlayStation 4, years ago I might add, one can easily deduce that they are perfectly happy with how subscriptions are going for PS+. Well, they *increased* the price. But that's hardly proving your point now is it.

Despite the complaining on the internet about it. Gamers aren't the only people who own consoles, but keep pretending that people complaining on forums like this are the majority. or even "a lot" in the grand scheme of this industry if it makes you feel better.

 

 

 

I never made the claim that the subscriptions are in decline. You asked me to provide evidence for something which I never claimed. That is misrepresenting what I say, and therefore it's a strawman. Well, at least something very close to it. It will always be a poor move and if you think this weak line up suffices as a December month, then all hope is lost for you. December is always a month in which you want to end strongly. With this line up, they won't do this and suffice to say, therefore it's poor. You see, as someone who has learnt how to logic (like seriously), your argument does consist out of a strawman. Because claiming it's a poor marketing move, does not mean sales drop. You can even make poor marketing moves with sales increases. You see, the term 'good' does not equal 'bigger sales' here. It equals substance. Objectively, one can say that two relatively unkown games for the price of 15-20 euros is very poor for a December month. Marketing wise, this is very poor for a December month, because you want to end strongly. Even if they do end up selling even more, it would still be poor marketing. Because with a stronger line up, the likelihood of selling more on top of that would increase. Do you see my point?

Increasing the price mid year and then ending on such a low note is a slap in the face for every loyal PS+ fan. You can choose to stick your head into the ground and pretend you're not getting screwed in the bum, but you are.

I never said that the majority complain, I never said a lot of the people complain. This is something you made up about what I said in order to argue with something I did not say and win the argument. You don't know a strawman when it slaps in you in the face, I'm afraid. This whole converstation here is about something I never said. Let me tell you what I originally stated: I stated that I am extremely underwhelmed if this were the case and that it's a poor line up for the end of the year, despite my own interest in the games. Then I agreed with someone who said it's poor for the end of the year and that they at least should have put a more popular strong line up (implied in the post I agreed with).Then you made it about me claiming a decline in subscribers, that the majority of people are fed up with this and such. I never said this. So please, stop aruing with things I never said.

Look, I get it, Sony upped the price. Back in September. It's now almost December. I think it's time to stop constantly bringing it up. Did you, or did you not, manage to reup your subscription to the old price before the price hike? Or better, did you manage to find a card for the same price AFTER the price hike? There's tons of $50 cards available around here, even to this day.

 

I swear, three years from now we're still going to have mooks whining about the $10 price hike, like it's a complete deal breaker.

 

 

I personally am not too bothered with the price hike. However, with a price hike, so should an increase in quality come. Quality which has been lacking, really.

 

Edited November 29, 2016 by Starflakes

[adam1984123]

Would be happy with this. Anything free is always nice.

 

I'd say Sony's numbers would suggest a vast majority of their PS Plus subscribers are just casual gamers who pay for the privilege of playing online. For them, the free monthly games are a bonus or they don't even care about them because they just want to play some FIFA or COD online every now and then. A few people unsubscribing from Plus because they are unhappy with the free content isn't going to hurt Sony much... There will 1000's of new kids playing COD and FIFA online in 4 weeks time when they open up their Christmas presents.

 

If you aren't happy with Plus content, vote with your wallet and don't subscribe. You just won't be able to get the full experience with most of the games you DO open your wallet for.

[Dangisuckatgamin]

Eh probably won't grab these if true. Both look uninteresting.

Have so much backlog though...

Final Fantasy 

Battlefield 1 Campaign

AC Syndicate (bought on sale... about halfway through it)

Skyrim

and Mafia 3.

[LunchCannon54]

Look, I get it, Sony upped the price. Back in September. It's now almost December. I think it's time to stop constantly bringing it up. Did you, or did you not, manage to reup your subscription to the old price before the price hike? Or better, did you manage to find a card for the same price AFTER the price hike? There's tons of $50 cards available around here, even to this day.

 

I swear, three years from now we're still going to have mooks whining about the $10 price hike, like it's a complete deal breaker.

If there's one thing I really hate it's people who excuse shady corporate practices, like we should not question it at all and just take it. Years ago the Sony fanbase bragged that they didn't have to pay for online, now they accept it and shout down anyone who disagrees, and honestly at this point who can blame Sony for milking it for all it's worth? It has been clearly demonstrated through this and the rise of DLC that players will do the corporate shaming for them. They have a bunch of ready made shills right there willing to preserve their status quo and ensure that they can push what they can get away with. It disgusts me to see people so eager to submit to large corporations when at the end of the day it is they who depend on our business to keep running. 

 

 

 

What strawman? "a lot of the PS4 fanbase does not feel that way and thus, marketing wise, this is a very poor move."

Unless sales have dropped, it is not a poor move. Thus, my point. Which is completely relevant, and it is not a strawman at all. Unless you said something you didn't mean. And given that Sony's approach has not changed a single bit since the launch of the PlayStation 4, years ago I might add, one can easily deduce that they are perfectly happy with how subscriptions are going for PS+. Well, they *increased* the price. But that's hardly proving your point now is it.

Despite the complaining on the internet about it. Gamers aren't the only people who own consoles, but keep pretending that people complaining on forums like this are the majority. or even "a lot" in the grand scheme of this industry if it makes you feel better.

 

I suppose the thousands of people in the comment sections of EVERY new PS+ video are just a minority, now are they? Also why do you assume that people who don't play games on the PS4 are the majority, and how would PS+ ultimately affect them when it has nothing to do with what they use the system for?

Edited November 29, 2016 by LunchCannon54

[FFHannibal]

Already have and platted Stories, but I have been wanting to get Invisible Inc. for a while so that's nice. Crimson is right though, Stories is quite fun but awfully repetitive once you go for all the different endings and max level.

[Stevieboy]

However, with a price hike, so should an increase in quality come.

 

I see this type of comment so many times and it baffles me. When have you ever seen a product increase in price and then the quality improve? I never have. Price increases are never about quality, they are always about inflation or "current market conditions". The product in question pretty much remains the same.

 

Also. Sony increased the price of PS+ in the EU last year (admittedly the 1 year subscription price was unchanged) and I didn't even see one person complain about it at the time or expect "an increase in quality".

Edited November 29, 2016 by Stevieboy

[Super-Fly Spider-Guy]

Can we make it a rule that you aren't allowed to complain if you still cave in and get PS+ ?

 

Like, I don't have it, I have no interest in the games, I can complain.

 

If you have it, have no interest in the games, then complain about the games not being of interest to you, well, that's on you. 

 

... 

 

But just because the games don't interest me, I don't think they're bad, I'm just not interested and have a shitload of other games to play. Maybe next month will be the one I resub to, who knows.